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Old 02-02-2017, 10:36 AM   #1
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A "moderate" Democrat who left the party and why

Michael J. Hout, 22, is a junior majoring in history, English and political science at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. During the 2016 presidential campaign he participated in many Democratic activities as a leader in the College Democrats. But he recently quit the party. Here he explains his thinking.

By Michael J. Hout:

It’s generally accepted that many college campuses are bastions of liberal ideology. There’s a common perception – perhaps even a correct one — that this leads to a certain degree of indoctrination into the world of left-leaning politics. But my experience has been just the opposite.

As someone who has spent his life moving between Massachusetts and Georgia, I’ve had exposure to Republican and Democratic politics in two states that could hardly be further apart in this regard. Coming to college in Massachusetts after being engaged in Georgia Democratic politics, I expected to be well within my comfort zone in and out of the classroom. That was not to be the case.

The more I studied and partook in various political efforts, the more conservative I felt compared to my classmates. The cold shoulder that I experienced from many progressive contemporaries, due to my more moderate leanings, fueled in me a desire to explore more conservative thought.

I came to the realization that between my own long-held convictions, already reasonably conservative, and the disturbing trends I was noticing among my peers and in the party at large – namely their dramatic lurch to the left, and the increasing focus on identity politics over substance — that I was not fighting for a party that welcomed my beliefs in its increasingly shrinking tent.

When I arrived at the decision to leave the Democratic Party, however, I was no longer on the “correct” side of campus culture. I went from being a high-ranking College Democrat to someone who must obviously be racist and misogynist and bigoted. For what other reason could I possibly have to entertain conservatism?

This decision – perhaps the most difficult of my life to this early point – was made over the course of a year or more of introspection, combing through perspectives of all sides in American political discourse. It was only as the sun set on the Obama presidency that I made the announcement I never anticipated – that I would be leaving the Democratic Party to become an independent, and later, perhaps even a Republican. To some this may seem opportunistic, but I did not take this decision lightly.

My feeling of isolation originated not with the discovery of my conservative sympathies, but rather with my inherent, moderate ones. It was not enough to lead Democratic organizations, to sit on the National Council of the College Democrats of America, to help found new chapters at Amherst College – and the entire state of New Hampshire, for that matter — as the national chartering director of that organization.

No, what mattered was not loyalty to party, I found. What mattered was absolute devotion to the religion of dogmatic leftism. Many moderate Democrats just as easily could have been moderate Republicans. But these Democrats were rarely given the same opportunities or chances to succeed as their peers who were further to the left — democratic socialists or social justice warriors. Now many of those same moderates are expressing to me a desire to leave the party as well.

Here’s what I tell them: First, the Democratic Party needs moderates, so if you can stomach it, stick with the party and fight to move the conversation away from extremism and towards the center. America needs two sane options, so long as we’re in a two-party republic, with neither drifting so far away from the center that no compromise may ever be brokered.

Second, putting it plainly, you do not want to be a conservative on today’s college campus. You will likely be ostracized to some extent, assuming your institution of higher learning is the norm. You will almost certainly lose friends, face bullying and need to develop thick skin. I’ve experienced this, and I only came out as an Independent. Others I’ve spoken to have horror stories worse than mine, attacked by fellow students, treated poorly by professors and administrators, accused publicly of racism, misogyny or “unintelligence.” And we have all received threats at one point or another. All things considered, perhaps I had it pretty good as a moderate Democrat. But my personal convictions prevented me from continuing to reside in the party that it has become, let alone the one that is to come.

This of course is a great irony. The so-called party of inclusivity, that values tolerance above all else, is extremely intolerant and wildly exclusive to ways of thinking that violate its delicate myopia. I contend that diversity of opinion – both within and without parties – is healthy and integral to our system. We must not only accept it, but demand it. Thus, we must be more accepting of conservative students, and the debate that they allow us to have, just as we must accept liberal students for the same reason. No one side should be able monopolize culture and community the way the left has been able to do on campuses. I ask my more progressive counterparts to be more accepting of students to their right, who likely have very legitimate reasons for feeling the way they do. Win with ideas, not intimidation. Be open to debate, and drop the baseless insults intended to stifle it.

At the end of the day, it was my view that not only was I more conservative than liberal in a contemporary sense (although I do identify as a classical liberal), but that I could do far more good towards repairing the Democratic Party from the outside than I could from within. Perhaps that will come in the form of aiding Republican campaigns. Perhaps that will come in the form of continuing to call out abuses in the Democratic Party and its affiliates through the media. I am not sure what the future has in store for me, but I know as long as my concern for this nation and those vying to run it persists, I will continue to speak out.

I will continue these discussions on a bipartisan blog I co-founded, with friends from a variety of backgrounds, called The American Moderate, as well as through a network of affiliated, bipartisan campus organizations we will be launching. Here, you will find a staunch commitment to free speech, diversity of opinion and a rational approach to politics and discourse. If you would like to join us, I encourage you to reach out. There is much work to do to begin to make our campuses more inclusive for all, conservatives included.
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Old 02-02-2017, 11:47 AM   #2
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Just wait. Just wait until you see the floods of moderate republicans who leave the party in the next voting cycle.
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Leaders of both sides are drawing us out more to the ends... We really need someone more moderate.

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Old 02-02-2017, 08:34 PM   #8
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I don't think the young man in the article I posted, Michael J. Hout, was telling the extremists in the Democrat Party to shut up. It sounded to me that he was saying, as far as he could see, there was no room for moderates in the Democrat Party. Rather than telling Democrat extremists to shut up, as your insert implies, he said that they made him shut up. As a classical liberal, rather than "a liberal in the contemporary sense" he says there is no room for him in the party. He noticed that "among my peers and in the party at large – namely their dramatic lurch to the left, and the increasing focus on identity politics over substance — that I was not fighting for a party that welcomed my beliefs in its increasingly shrinking tent".

He opted to be an independent and possibly in the future a Republican.

A lot of us have noticed what Michael J. Hout has noticed. And many of us have noticed that the "moderate" Republicans had evolved in many ways into a bit lighter version of what the Democrats used to be--big government, program oriented, tax and overspending, Progressive bureaucrats. And the Dems had evolved into what Michael Hout says.

The Tea Partiers and Trumpers that stayed in the Republican Party, and which vaulted it into power, were actually a moderating influence on the direction of the Republican party at large and of the country as a whole. It was they who espoused core American values rather than the phony leftist version of "who we are" mantra into which it tries to wrap us so that their policies can appear to be loaded with "American values." It was the Tea Partiers who demanded true fiscal responsibility and return to the true American mainstream of constitutional order and the right of individuals to live, speak, and worship (or not) with the least government coercion.

Middle America was tired of overbearing government with its elitist lapdog media (including Hollywood) telling them they were in that basket of deplorables Hillary spoke of. And more and more of them began to see that the shrinking of the middle class and intractable national debt was occurring under the long reign of self-identified "moderates" who either really were not, or if they were, then "moderate" wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

Something other than the same old extremist name calling tempered with the wiser "middle" seems to be going on. At least temporarily. Fighting and anger is tiring, and folks always return to comfort--the state in which they can again be bamboozled.

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yet we have POTUS at the National prayer annual Prayer Breakfast:

Trump asks people to ‘pray’ for Arnold Schwarzenegger over poor TV ratings

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yet we have POTUS at the National prayer annual Prayer Breakfast:

Trump asks people to ‘pray’ for Arnold Schwarzenegger over poor TV ratings

really
That (Trump's comment, not yours!) was absolutely pathetic. Couldn't be less presidential.
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yet we have POTUS at the National prayer annual Prayer Breakfast:

Trump asks people to ‘pray’ for Arnold Schwarzenegger over poor TV ratings

really
Yeah, that's really gonna divide the country.
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Trump asks people to ‘pray’ for Arnold Schwarzenegger over poor TV ratings

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he's pretty funny

isn't a prayer breakfast a violation of the separation of church and state?
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I actually busted out laughing when I heard that lefty Robert Reich said there were "rumors" that the Berkley protesters (aka violent rioters) were actually right wingers. Let's see . . . right wingers shutting down the speech of a right winger and pepper spraying a right winger and punching right wingers and calling right wingers racist, etc., . . . Wow, now I see why right wingers are so stupid and everything else Democrats call them. Gotta laugh at those bumbling idiotic violent right wingers. They are the real threat. They are what divides us.

As Nebe and PaulS who both also have referred to conservatives as fascist, racist, etc. said in response to TDF's right and left wing extremist insert in this thread--"yup" and "X2." Weird how the mirror reflects back those you despise.

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As Nebe and PaulS who both also have referred to conservatives as fascist, racist, etc. said in response to TDF's right and left wing extremist insert in this thread--"yup" and "X2." Weird how the mirror reflects back those you despise.
Now that is just not true. I never referred to anyone as a Facist.

You seem to be getting more and more angrier all the time. 1st it was the constant Liberals hate the constitution. And then you've resorted to just calling people liars and saying President Trump's lies "don't matter".

Is something going on in your life? We'll help you work through it if you want.

Face it the Right has moved much further right than the Left has moved left. How much time tell the EPA gets disbanned and what party 1st put it in?
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Face it the Right has moved much further right than the Left has moved left. How much time tell the EPA gets disbanned and what party 1st put it in?
That's a good one, Paul. The Dems, not long ago elected JFK, a pro-life Catholic. No way he'd get nominated today as a Democrat. Joe Lieberman was a Democrat VP pick, and a few years later, he spoke at the Republican National Convention.

After the 1960's and the turmoil around Vietnam and Watergate, the Democratic party (at the national level) embraced radicalism. San Francisco-style radicalism. And it has gone a zillion miles to the left, thanks to the likes of George Soros.

2017 may officially go down as the year that the Democratic party had a total psychotic breakdown. Look at what just happened at Berkley. I have asked this before, and I will ask it again...when was the last time there was a politically-motivated riot, which was carried out by conservatives? When?

The GOP was as banished as you can get after the 2008 election. How many riots did the Tea Party engage in?

Trump won because his message resonated with middle America. Turns out, they don't like being called bitter clingers, nor do they appreciate being called deplorable.

Look at the map of which counties in the country went red or blue. And you tell me that the Democrats haven't completely lost touch with middle America. You tell me that it's the GOP that's more extreme. Look at that map, and tell me which party is more out-of-touch.
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Now that is just not true. I never referred to anyone as a Facist.

No, I don't recall you using the word fascist. I do recall the "racist, etc." stuff.

You seem to be getting more and more angrier all the time.

You keep trying to poke the bear. It's kind of pathetic.

1st it was the constant Liberals hate the constitution.

No, I said Progressives despise the Constitution. I am liberal.

And then you've resorted to just calling people liars and saying President Trump's lies "don't matter".

You exaggerate almost as much as Trump does.

Is something going on in your life? We'll help you work through it if you want.

I've got lots of things going on in my life. How about you? I'm sure there is a Progressive program out there to help you with whatever is going on in your life. I pretty much work out my own problems.

Face it the Right has moved much further right than the Left has moved left. How much time tell the EPA gets disbanned and what party 1st put it in?
What's your starting point? Which party has moved farther from the Constitution?
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No, I don't recall you using the word fascistThen why say it - anger?. I do recall the "racist, etc." stuff. [COLOR="red"]Correct, and always to add counterpoints to when Jim takes the worse of the left and applies it to all of the left.

You keep trying to poke the bearsee above. I actually don't start any threads.. It's kind of patheticThat was what I was thinking of your remarks lately. What was the one when you finally realized that you were 100% wrong on Trump's ban? - "Big deal" . Instead of not responding an lettting it die you need to comment like a 12 year old. \

You exaggerate almost as much as Trump doesPls show me where?
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The GOP was as banished as you can get after the 2008 election. How many riots did the Tea Party engage in?YOur equating anarchists with the Dems. That is who was rioting in Ca.

Trump won because his message resonated with middle America. Turns out, they don't like being called bitter clingers, nor do they appreciate being called deplorable.And Hillary said she was sorry right after that comment.

Look at the map of which counties in the country went red or blue. And you tell me that the Democrats haven't completely lost touch with middle America. You tell me that it's the GOP that's more extreme. Look at that map, and tell me which party is more out-of-touch.
So who won the popular vote? Liberals move to the cities, Cons. move to the country. If not for our election system set up, who would be Pres?

Edit - I will say the Dems. have moved to the left, but just not as much as I believe the Rep. have moved to the right. I try to vote for left leaning moderates.

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Yeah, that's really gonna divide the country.

That's really not the point but you know that all ready... Its ok we get it his behavior and comments are not an issue for you ..

How about Trump to Scale Back Dodd-Frank, Repeal Fiduciary Rule: WSJ

So far all I see is trickle down economics tactics every thing for Big Business
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So who won the popular vote? Liberals move to the cities, Cons. move to the country. If not for our election system set up, who would be Pres?
"YOur equating anarchists with the Dems. That is who was rioting in Ca."

Are they general kind of anarchists? Meaning, if Rachael Maddow was invited to speak, would they riot?

Paul, when your side's nominee calls people on my side deplorable, racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, Xenophobe, it emboldens these kooks.

"And Hillary said she was sorry right after that comment"

Correction. She said she was sorry after she saw the impact of that comment in her polling. That was not an off the cuff comment, it was a scripted speech. Obviously she believes it.

"So who won the popular vote?"

That's because of who my side nominated - unfortunately, we nominated an a-hole. Before the election, two-thirds of the country thought we were headed in the wrong direction. Paul, the GOP controls the Oval Office, both houses of Congress, and a large majority of state governorships and state legislatures. On Obama's watch, liberals now hold the smallest number of state & federal elected offices, since the Civil War ended. What does that tell you?

"Liberals move to the cities"

Good. They deserve the cities.

"If not for our election system set up, who would be Pres"

If my aunt had testicles, she would be my uncle. Again, look at the makeup of Congress, and of the 50 state governments. What does that tell you?

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So far all I see is trickle down economics tactics every thing for Big Business
Really? I wonder where you are looking, then.

He helped save hundreds of middle class jobs at Carrier (jobs that Obama specifically said could not be saved).

He has proposed all kinds of tax advantages to make child care more affordable for families where no one stays home during the day, and tax credits to make it easier for moms to stay home instead of having to go to work. You probably missed that press conference, because much of the mainstream media chose not to cover it. If he gets those plans through (a big 'if' at the moment, but he has shown a willingness to follow through on promises) that will help people who you probably agree need help - right?

He made a very quiet visit to welcome home the remains of the fallen navy seal. How did that help the rich and powerful.
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"YOur equating anarchists with the Dems. That is who was rioting in Ca."

Are they general kind of anarchists? Meaning, if Rachael Maddow was invited to speak, would they riot?Who cares about Rachael Maddow. Until the Dems. elect her President, I could care less as I've haven't seen her for more than 15 min. total in the last year.

Paul, when your side's nominee calls people on my side deplorable, racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, Xenophobe, it emboldens these kooks.So you think I can't pull up things Trump said that are insulting? how about Steve Bannon?

"And Hillary said she was sorry right after that comment"

Correction. She said she was sorry after she saw the impact of that comment in her polling. That was not an off the cuff comment, it was a scripted speech. Obviously she believes it.No, it was the very next day. She did get some well deserved criticism for her comment. She said that she should not have said "half".

"So who won the popular vote?"

That's because of who my side nominated - unfortunately, we nominated an a-hole. Before the election, two-thirds of the country thought we were headed in the wrong direction. Paul, the GOP controls the Oval Office, both houses of Congress, and a large majority of state governorships and state legislatures. On Obama's watch, liberals now hold the smallest number of state & federal elected offices, since the Civil War ended. What does that tell you?

"Liberals move to the cities"

Good. They deserve the cities.Great places to be. Driving the economy, centers of culture, great restaurants (you should try New Haven - fantastic rest. even though you hate it) Most of the great universities are in/near those cities. Look at where the economy is best in a lot of those Red states. In NC it is CHarlotte that has all the growth and vitality.

"If not for our election system set up, who would be Pres"

If my aunt had testicles, she would be my uncle. Again, look at the makeup of Congress, and of the 50 state governments. What does that tell you?
That the Ds move to the cities/coasts and R move to the rural areas.

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He made a very quiet visit to welcome home the remains of the fallen navy seal.
Did he tweet that he went?
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That the Ds move to the cities/coasts and R move to the rural areas.
"Who cares about Rachael Maddow. Until the Dems. elect her President, I could care less as I've haven't seen her for more than 15 min. total in the last year."

My point was, and you already know this, that the anarchists are all left-leaning. Every Republican National Convention, every G-8 summit, every election that doesn't go their way, every time a white cop acts in self defense...you can count on the rioters.

"you think I can't pull up things Trump said that are insulting?"

Here's the difference Paul, and it is a yuuge difference. I can admit that Trump is a jerk. Most liberals cannot concede that Hilary is a jerk, or a liar, or that she attacked her husband's victims, or anything bad about her. Yuuge difference.

I loved your comments about cities. Yes, many cities have museums, symphonies, universities, etc. Is that all there is to cities, Paul? No downside? If there is a downside, how come you left it out?

I grew up in West Haven, lived there from birth until age 25, I know all about New Haven. I saw firsthand what 40 years of unchecked liberalism did to the unfortunate people stuck there. If you think liberals have helped those people, and made those cities better than they were 40 years ago, of course you are entitled to that opinion.

You mention Charlotte again. I have news for you - Charlotte ain't liberal, not as we define it in New England. The cost of living is low, the taxes are very low, it is extremely favorable to business. I'm not saying it's as right wing as some towns in Texas, but it's not an example of "liberalism that works", either. Especially in terms of economics.

"In NC it is CHarlotte that has all the growth"

Tell that to the real estate developers who can't build neighborhoods fast enough in the suburbs of Charlotte. I'm not saying Charlotte isn't growing, but it's not remotely true to say that Charlotte has all the growth.

You are making up jibberish, rather than concede that I have a point.

"Did he tweet that he went?"

Did his visit only help the rich, as WDMSO said?
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"Who cares about Rachael Maddow. Until the Dems. elect her President, I could care less as I've haven't seen her for more than 15 min. total in the last year."

My point was, and you already know this, that the anarchists are all left-leaning. Every Republican National Convention, every G-8 summit, every election that doesn't go their way, every time a white cop acts in self defense...you can count on the rioters.

"you think I can't pull up things Trump said that are insulting?"

Here's the difference Paul, and it is a yuuge difference. I can admit that Trump is a jerk. Most liberals cannot concede that Hilary is a jerkI don't think she is a jerk. YOu can dislike someone's policies but not agreeing with someone's policies doesn't make them a jerk., or a liarcompared to Pres Trump she is like a saint., or that she attacked her husband's victimssure, based on what her husband told her., or anything bad about her. There is certainly things "bad" with her but I would say she is a better person than Pres. Trump. Yuuge difference.

I loved your comments about cities. Yes, many cities have museums, symphonies, universities, etc. Is that all there is to cities, Paul? No downside? If there is a downside, how come you left it out?[COLOR="red"]sure cities are where the poor live. So they can be near the bus lines, the hospitals, the jobs, the social services, etc. So you then equate that since the poor live in cities that by and large are liberal, it is the liberal policies that make them poor[COLOR]. If you think liberals have helped those people, and made those cities better than they were 40 years agoNH has always had the same problems it has today. poor people being one of them. , of course you are entitled to that opinion.And West Haven doesn't have problems? On the verge of bancruptcy for years. It has to do a loss of manufacturing jobs.

You mention Charlotte again. I have news for you - Charlotte ain't liberal, not as we define it in New Englandno, but for NC it is where the liberals live.. The cost of living is low, the taxes are very low, it is extremely favorable to business. I'm not saying it's as right wing as some towns in Texas, but it's not an example of "liberalism that works", either. Especially in terms of economics.

"In NC it is CHarlotte that has all the growth"

Tell that to the real estate developers who can't build neighborhoods fast enough in the suburbs of Charlotte. I'm not saying Charlotte isn't growing, but it's not remotely true to say that Charlotte has all the growth. It is the economic driver of NC. Sure other areas have growth but just as many counties elsewhere that vote R have problems. Look at the states that depend on oil. The all vote R but are having big economic problems also.

You are making up jibberish, rather than concede that I have a point.

"Did he tweet that he went?"

Did his visit only help the rich, as WDMSO said?
I honestly didnt read his comment but you said he "quietly" went. I believe I heard he tweeted he went.

article about anarchists in todays NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/u...e=sectionfront
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Old 02-03-2017, 04:07 PM   #27
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I honestly didnt read his comment but you said he "quietly" went. I believe I heard he tweeted he went.

article about anarchists in todays NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/u...e=sectionfront
"I don't think she is a jerk"

Proving my point, sort of...

"not agreeing with someone's policies doesn't make them a jerk"

Do you really think I say she's a terrible person, just because of her policies? Again, I don't know how you can not know this...but I say she's a jerk because she enabled her husband's predation, she lied to protect him (said the GOP was framing him), and attacked his victims. She lied God knows how many times about the email thing. (did I wipe my server? You mean, like, with a cloth? HA HA HA, Mrs Clinton, my stomach hurts from laughing). She never, ever stops bashing everyone on my side., It's never about the merits of the issue (because her positions have almost no merit), all she can do is accuse conservatives of various kinds of hate. You're OK with that.

"she attacked her husband's victims...sure, based on what her husband told her"

Right, right. And at that point, it was reasonable to assume that he was telling the truth about all those accusations made against him. Paul, after he got impeached and dis-barred (after he admitted his lying and perversions), did she apologize for lying to protect him? Did she apologize for attacking his victims on national TV?

"you then equate that since the poor live in cities that by and large are liberal, it is the liberal policies that make them poor"

Damn right. Because it's the liberal policies that (1) make it as easy as possible for people who don't want to work, to live in cities, and (2) makes it as hard as possible, for people who do want to work, to live in cities. A nice side effect for liberals is you create a permanent underclass of poor people who, thanks to liberalism, have been robbed of work ethic and drive, so they are addicted to welfare, and will always vote for whoever promises them the most cash. Thus, they created a nice, reliable voting bloc. Who cares that they had to enslave these people, and cripple them for life, to accomplish that?

"New Haven has always had the same problems it has today"

The problems are very much worse now. Way, way, way more black fatherlessness, which has led to all sorts of problems. You deny that?

"And West Haven doesn't have problems?"

It sure does! I watched it morph from a great small town, into an uninhabitable, third world sh*thole. And guess which party has dominated West Haven politics???? Any guesses?

"It has to do a loss of manufacturing jobs."

That's part of it, sure. It also has to do with building an un-supportable amount of Section 8 housing. Again, liberal policies that attract those that take from the system, and make it brutally hard for those that want to work. It turns out that making a place as lucrative as possible for welfare recipients, and as expensive as possible for workers, is short-sighted and stupid.

Paul, look at the states that young people are moving to for economic opportunity. North Carolina. Tennessee. Georgia.
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I honestly didnt read his comment but you said he "quietly" went. I believe I heard he tweeted he went.

article about anarchists in todays NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/u...e=sectionfront
I gotta tell you Paul, that was such a well-thought out, and reasonable article. Consider this pearl of wisdom...

"But anarchists and anti-fascists, who often make up a small but disproportionately attention-getting portion of protesters, defend the mayhem they create as a necessary response to an emergency."

So according to the maniac who wrote this crap, the conservative speaker is the fascist, NOT the mob that wants to prevent him from exercising his right to free speech. The mob are the anti-fascists! So their anarchy is justified, supporting a noble cause.

Here's an idea? If you don't like Milo what's-his-face, you can engage him and tell him why, or you can ignore him.

Earth to liberals...the Bill Of Rights ain't easy. Like it or not, the freedom of the press means Rachael Maddow can go on the air and say things I find deeply offensive. Like it or not, the right to assembly means that the Klan can hold a peaceful rally. And like it or not, the right to free speech means that liberals will occasionally have to deal with the fact that some people can say things that they don't happen to like.

From your article, the people who lit fires and smashed buildings in order to prevent an opposing point of view from being discussed, THEY are the anti-fascists.

Mirriam-Webster defines fascism, in part, as "forcible suppression of opposition". And the NYT thinks the rioters are the OPPOSITE of that. So according to the NYT, the rioters are trying to ensure that the opposition can speak? WOW.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

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Now that is just not true. I never referred to anyone as a Facist.
Eben likes to say "facist"...you have "racist" Tourette's....

hey Eben...please predict the score of the Super bowl so we can all scratch that off the list

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No, I don't recall you using the word fascistThen why say it - anger?.

Because I was referring, if you noticed, to both you and Eben. He used the word fascist. Putting the words "fascist, racists, etc." was not meant that both of you used all of those words, but that both of you used some of those words. But, of course, I bow to your explanation. It only could have been anger. Not. I was not angry. How you got that says more about you than me.

I do recall the "racist, etc." stuff. Correct, and always to add counterpoints to when Jim takes the worse of the left and applies it to all of the left.

No doubt, everyone has a reason when they accuse others of those words. I'm sure that the "extremists" in TDF's insert all have reasons. When you put those words out there, whatever your reason, you add to the extremist cacophony/

You keep trying to poke the bearsee above. I actually don't start any threads.

By poke the bear I meant you so often fall back on the "you're angry" bit. No doubt you have some internal reason, some personal "issues" as you put it, that you keep doing that. Maybe you're just trying to be funny.

It's kind of pathetic That was what I was thinking of your remarks lately.

Thanks. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

What was the one when you finally realized that you were 100% wrong on Trump's ban? - "Big deal" . Instead of not responding an lettting it die you need to comment like a 12 year old.
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I just wanted to use your response of "big deal" to TDF. And you're right, I wanted the silly discussion to die, so I didn't elaborate on my sarcasm. Your post, if I remember, verified that the lack of clarity in the EO was resolved. It didn't prove any intent to deny green card holders entry. You picked one of many articles that tried to cast the EO in a sinister light. There were many articles, probably in the sources you don't read or search, where the decision by HLS to admit green card holders was explained despite the lack of clarity. One would think that clearing the matter up would be a relief rather than an excuse to keep battering the administration.

You exaggerate almost as much as Trump doesPls show me where?
"Do the search" as some (I think you were one of them) used to tell Jim as some kind of satisfactory answer. Probably a more sophisticated answer than a 12 year old could come up with.

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