Who wrote this?

[Pete F.]

“A president whose character manifests itself in patterns of reckless personal conduct, deceit, abuse of power, and contempt for the rule of law cannot be a good president”
“In a self-governing and law-abiding nation, we must never allow ourselves to be lulled into passive disgust or indifference, the civic equivalent of a shrug of the shoulders, We must never lose our sense, when appropriate, of outrage.”

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

“A president whose character manifests itself in patterns of reckless personal conduct, deceit, abuse of power, and contempt for the rule of law cannot be a good president”
“In a self-governing and law-abiding nation, we must never allow ourselves to be lulled into passive disgust or indifference, the civic equivalent of a shrug of the shoulders, We must never lose our sense, when appropriate, of outrage.”

"“A president whose character manifests itself in patterns of reckless personal conduct, deceit, abuse of power, and contempt for the rule of law cannot be a good president”

The hell he can't. Bill Clinton was a good president. He was such a sleaze, that LAWYERS decided even he was beneath them, and they disbarred him. But he made the country better.

Right or wrong?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

“A president whose character manifests itself in patterns of reckless personal conduct, deceit, abuse of power, and contempt for the rule of law cannot be a good president”
“In a self-governing and law-abiding nation, we must never allow ourselves to be lulled into passive disgust or indifference, the civic equivalent of a shrug of the shoulders, We must never lose our sense, when appropriate, of outrage.”

Someone who has been accused of being a right wing hack and who was just another authoritarian Hitler type.

[PaulS]

Not a chance in hell President Trump could write that.
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[Nebe]

mittens.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The hell he can't. Bill Clinton was a good president. He was such a sleaze, that LAWYERS decided even he was beneath them, and they disbarred him. But he made the country better.

Right or wrong?

Clinton had infidelity issues for sure but I don’t think he did much otherwise as president to qualify as a sleeze.

Pretty sure he wasn’t actually disbarred either.
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[nightfighter]

Woodrow Wilson was no peach.....

[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Woodrow Wilson was no peach.....

Great president though on many fronts.
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[Slipknot]

Bill Bennett said that

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Not a chance in hell President Trump could write that.
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Agreed, WAY too elegant for him.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Clinton had infidelity issues for sure but I don’t think he did much otherwise as president to qualify as a sleeze.

Pretty sure he wasn’t actually disbarred either.
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lying under oath, nah that's no biggie...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Pretty sure he wasn’t actually disbarred either.
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Tell that to your pals at NBC...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10904831/n.../#.XDJEn_ZFxhE

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

lying under oath, nah that's no biggie...

It’s not good but when you’re trying to squirrel your way out of an improper affair I can see it. Not a ringing character endorsement but I’m not sure it qualifies as sleeze.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Tell that to your pals at NBC...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/10904831/n.../#.XDJEn_ZFxhE

That says suspended not disbarred...not the same thing.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

That says suspended not disbarred...not the same thing.
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POsted the wrong article...

"In 2001, following a 5-year suspension by the Arkansas bar, the United States Supreme Court disbarred Bill Clinton"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disbarment

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

POsted the wrong article...

"In 2001, following a 5-year suspension by the Arkansas bar, the United States Supreme Court disbarred Bill Clinton"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disbarment

The Supreme Court didn’t actually disbar him either, Clinton left the bar during the appeal period.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It’s not good but when you’re trying to squirrel your way out of an improper affair I can see it. Not a ringing character endorsement but I’m not sure it qualifies as sleeze.
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So being serially unfaithful, serially betraying your wife and child, then using that as a political weapon by accusing the GOP of framing him, and then lying about it under oath as POTUS...doesn't rise to the level of sleezy…

okee-dokey.

[Sea Dangles]

Why bother Jim. This argument loses credibility because it requires honesty on the part of some people whom are truly offended by the concept of such a thing. This is where Spence dances while you pull strings. But he is giggling....🤡
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So being serially unfaithful, serially betraying your wife and child, then using that as a political weapon by accusing the GOP of framing him, and then lying about it under oath as POTUS...doesn't rise to the level of sleezy…

okee-dokey.

Not in the context of the original statement. I’ve never said I’m a fan of Clinton’s infidelity but most of it is a personal issue.
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[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by spence

Great president though on many fronts.
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He got J Edgar Hoover on his path, beginning with he Alien Enemy Bureau. Then there was George Creel working his dirty deeds in the Committee on Public Information. And then there was the misuse of power through the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918. None of that would fly in today's world of the internet and social media. Wilson had a little known, seldom recognized nasty dark side....

[rphud]

don't they all...well maybe not the "little known" part

[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

He got J Edgar Hoover on his path, beginning with he Alien Enemy Bureau. Then there was George Creel working his dirty deeds in the Committee on Public Information. And then there was the misuse of power through the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918. None of that would fly in today's world of the internet and social media. Wilson had a little known, seldom recognized nasty dark side....

In context of WW1 I’m not sure some of this stuff is insidious as you make it sound. I do remember Wilson having some race issues though.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Bill Bennett said that

Winner
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Winner
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Exactly, a Progresive's version of an authoritarian right wing hack.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

“A president whose character manifests itself in patterns of reckless personal conduct, deceit, abuse of power, and contempt for the rule of law cannot be a good president”
“In a self-governing and law-abiding nation, we must never allow ourselves to be lulled into passive disgust or indifference, the civic equivalent of a shrug of the shoulders, We must never lose our sense, when appropriate, of outrage.”

This could easily have been the Mainstream Media in 2012 while telling us how were all gonna die if Mitt Binders or something.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The Supreme Court didn’t actually disbar him either, Clinton left the bar during the appeal period.
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Awesome that you know more than the entire internet. Simply dazzling.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Quote:

Originally Posted by nightfighter He got J Edgar Hoover on his path, beginning with he Alien Enemy Bureau. Then there was George Creel working his dirty deeds in the Committee on Public Information. And then there was the misuse of power through the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918. None of that would fly in today's world of the internet and social media. Wilson had a little known, seldom recognized nasty dark side....


In context of WW1 I’m not sure some of this stuff is insidious as you make it sound. I do remember Wilson having some race issues though.

Are you saying that Trump has misused power more than or equal to the 1918 Alien and Sedition Act? Are you saying that Trump has abused the first Amendment more than or equal to the passing of that act? I know that you and wdmso and PeteF rail on Trump's tweets and his attempted barring of a journalist from his press conference, but no legislation was passed in either case nor was it asked for by Trump. Nor was the First Amendment in any danger.

And you remember Wilson having SOME race issues? He was an out and out blatant racist. He supported the KKK in his praise of the movie Birth of a Nation which glorified the KKK. There was an actual and verified Klan resurgence after that. He segregated several agencies of the Federal Government. He stated that the negro race was inferior. Those just for starters.

Trump, who Dems love to call a racist has not done anything close to the things Wilson did.

And, according to you, Wilson was an "extremist." He was one of the founders of the Progressive movement who claimed the Constitution was outdated and an impediment to government doing what he considered needed to be done. When I wrote a post about the early Progressives and their desire to remove constitutional impediments to what they considered should be unfettered government, you accused me of citing extremists (Wilson, et al) to support my "extremist" views.

So four of the biggest things you, and other Trump haters, like to accuse Trump of--racism, extremism, anti-free speech, and destruction of the Constitution--are actual Wilsonian traits which surpass anything, by a long shot, that Trump has done. Yet you give Wilson a pass with nary a slap on the wrist, and almost daily pile on Trump

Your a sly chameleon that situationally changes its spots. That's why I say you're a slick con artist. Even more so than Trump who's supposed con is an open book.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Are you saying that Trump has misused power more than or equal to the 1918 Alien and Sedition Act? Are you saying that Trump has abused the first Amendment more than or equal to the passing of that act? I know that you and wdmso and PeteF rail on Trump's tweets and his attempted barring of a journalist from his press conference, but no legislation was passed in either case nor was it asked for by Trump. Nor was the First Amendment in any danger.

And you remember Wilson having SOME race issues? He was an out and out blatant racist. He supported the KKK in his praise of the movie Birth of a Nation which glorified the KKK. There was an actual and verified Klan resurgence after that. He segregated several agencies of the Federal Government. He stated that the negro race was inferior. Those just for starters.

Trump, who Dems love to call a racist has not done anything close to the things Wilson did.

And, according to you, Wilson was an "extremist." He was one of the founders of the Progressive movement who claimed the Constitution was outdated and an impediment to government doing what he considered needed to be done. When I wrote a post about the early Progressives and their desire to remove constitutional impediments to what they considered should be unfettered government, you accused me of citing extremists (Wilson, et al) to support my "extremist" views.

So four of the biggest things you, and other Trump haters, like to accuse Trump of--racism, extremism, anti-free speech, and destruction of the Constitution--are actual Wilsonian traits which surpass anything, by a long shot, that Trump has done. Yet you give Wilson a pass with nary a slap on the wrist, and almost daily pile on Trump

Your a sly chameleon that situationally changes its spots. That's why I say you're a slick con artist. Even more so than Trump who's supposed con is an open book.

What about Wilson, Trump’s not as bad as a president 100 years ago?
Really
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What about Wilson, Trump’s not as bad as a president 100 years ago?
Really
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Wilson got us into one of the most horrific wars in history, and he was far worse than Trump in those horrid 4 items I mentioned, and that you and others try to brand Trump with.

Yeah, really.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Wilson got us into one of the most horrific wars in history, and he was far worse than Trump in those horrid 4 items I mentioned, and that you and others try to brand Trump with.

Yeah, really.

After the Germans started torpedoing american shipping and asked Mexico to ally with them against the US he asked Congress to declare war.
I assume you have been listening to Glen Beck rant about Wilson.
Several other reasons I would think you would try and brand Wilson as bad along with Roosevelt and Taft.
They passed measures to regulate workplaces, food and drugs. They barred child labor and mandated school attendance. And they won antitrust laws to break up corporate monopolies. According to Roosevelt, corporations "should be so supervised and so regulated that they shall act for the interest of the community as a whole."

But Roosevelt used a light touch in his regulation of corporations, which he called "indispensable instruments of our modern civilization." By contrast, Wilson pledged to use the newly empowered federal state to break up large companies and restore the economic competition of an earlier age. Defeating TR and Taft in 1912, Wilson immediately cut tariffs on imported goods, which he said benefited big businesses at the expense of consumers. He pushed through the Clayton Antitrust Act, which blocked price-fixing and prevented the same people from sitting on the boards of competing companies. And he instituted the Federal Trade Commission, which investigates unfair business practices.

Wilson also tackled the nation's banking system, which had left American investors at the mercy of unscrupulous financiers and the unpredictable ups and downs of the economy. His answer was the Federal Reserve, which continues to regulate the national money supply and interest rates in order to cushion us against the worst blows of the business cycle. And he nominated Louis Brandeis—the nation’s leading champion of worker protections—for the Supreme Court.
Unlike Trump he certainly was not the United State's Yeltsin.