didn't Bob Dole mention is his farewell message voting in Chicago?...that was pretty funny

he did, and it was. his last letter said he was looking forward to seeing if he could still vote in chicago after he was gone.
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Get vaxxed. Wear a mask. Wear it properly.

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if you do this you should be safe out in the world...no need to worry about others......

The statistics for the unvaxxed would be far worse if millions of OTHER, WISER Americans hadn't already received ~half a billion vax shots

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ummmm...because there would then be more unvaxxed....do you ever listen to yourself?

Seeing Trumps reason for not firing the guy who according to Conservatives fauci lied people died. Was because he just ignored Him

Wouldn’t believe anyone who replaced him anyway .

Just look at what they believe is real and what isn’t. And yet they get upset when they are called uninformed and misinformation sponges


An unvaccinated man with underlying health conditions died in Texas on Monday after testing positive for the COVID-19 omicron variant, officials in Houston said, marking what is believed to be the first death linked to the strain in the U.S.

Harris County Public Health revealed in a statement that the man, who was in his 50s and had previously been infected with COVID-19, died after contracting the omicron variant.

Maybe he listened to Ran Paul the ophthalmologist That Natural Immunity Is As Good As COVID-19 Vaccine

Over Fauci the virologist who’s whole message was simple get vaccinated when you can

It’s sad that Americans are being mislead and their lives are being place in Harms way to score Go Brandon points with their voters . While calling it leadership :bs:

NY Times Editorial Board Member Praises Trump for Getting Booster


During a tour stop in Dallas on Sunday with Bill O'Reilly, Trump announced he received the booster. Some in the crowd booed, after which Trump said they were only a small fraction of the audience.

Another crowd size reference to dismiss being booed LOL


Leadership would have been telling them why he got it and why they should .. but his missed his chance . Maybe next time

Trump announced he received the booster.

but his missed his chance... Maybe next time



trumpderangementsyndrome

An unvaccinated man with underlying health conditions died in Texas on Monday after testing positive for the COVID-19 omicron variant



this is shocking...hardly anyone with underlying health conditions has died from covid

this is shocking...hardly anyone with underlying health conditions has died from covid

it’s all he’s got at this point. Marist came out within. recent poll
that was a nightmare for biden, bad numbers with independents and support dropping for hispanics.

if latinos ever favor republicans. watch how fast liberals change their tune on immigration. they’ll put all captured illegals in a high speed, one way train to Tierra Del Fuego.
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this is shocking...hardly anyone with underlying health conditions has died from covid

not the point but not surprised you pivoted to Underlying condition :kewl:

it’s all he’s got at this point. Marist came out within. recent poll
that was a nightmare for biden, bad numbers with independents and support dropping for hispanics.

if latinos ever favor republicans. watch how fast liberals change their tune on immigration. they’ll put all captured illegals in a high speed, one way train to Tierra Del Fuego.
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Jim why change the topic ... you still have 3 more years reguardless of the current polls.. they can go in the up as quickly as they went down

Americans love instant gratification and short memories and ADHD it's our biggest failure as a nation

Trump: Confirmed Booster Shot Because
I ‘Must Tell the Truth’

what's next a cherry Tree

Trump: Confirmed Booster Shot Because
I ‘Must Tell the Truth’

what's next a cherry Tree

were you staying on topic when you posted that an unhealthy man died of covid?

how come it’s ok when you veer off topic?
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Trump: Confirmed Booster Shot Because
I ‘Must Tell the Truth’

what's next a cherry Tree

isn’t it a good thing Trump is encouraging people to get the vaccine and booster?

You’re attacking him for that?
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isn’t it a good thing Trump is encouraging people to get the vaccine and booster?

You’re attacking him for that?
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who is he encouraging? and how ? you have a vivid imagination if you think thats what he is doing

were you staying on topic when you posted that an unhealthy man died of covid?

how come it’s ok when you veer off topic?
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not into reading today


Maybe he listened to Ran Paul the ophthalmologist That Natural Immunity Is As Good As COVID-19 Vaccine

Over Fauci the virologist who’s whole message was simple get vaccinated when you can

It’s sad that Americans are being mislead and their lives are being place in Harms way to score Go Brandon points with their voters . While calling it leadership

Sorry jim it's not just about an unhealthy Man who died .. but you already know that ... but the Truth is inconvenient to the rights message on the vaccine

Sorry jim it's not just about an unhealthy Man who died ..

you brought him up. no one else. you.
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this is shocking...hardly anyone with underlying health conditions has died from covid

80 thousand people would have a different opinion if they were alive, never mind the people suffering from long term effects
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80 thousand people would have a different opinion if they were alive, never mind the people suffering from long term effects
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This is shocking as well….
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Former President Donald Trump proclaimed Tuesday that “the insurrection took place on November 3rd” of last year and announced he will hold a news conference on Jan. 6, one year after his supporters stormed the Capitol and set off a riot that led to the deaths of five people.

“Why isn’t the [House] Unselect Committee of highly partisan political hacks investigating the CAUSE of the January 6th protest, which was the rigged Presidential Election of 2020?” Trump asked in an emailed statement. “Does anybody notice that they want to stay as far away from that topic as possible, the numbers don’t work for them, or even come close. The only thing they can do is not talk about it.”


and we also have sitting members of congress refusing to talk to the jan 6th commision

"I stand with immense respect for our Constitution, the Rule of Law, and the Americans I represent who know that this entity is illegitimate, another cowardly republican

you brought him up. no one else. you.
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still can't follow the bouncing ball:kewl:

Trump asks Supreme Court to keep records from House Jan. 6 committee

So much for America 1st or transparency and only things involving Jan 6th nothing else.

Let’s see if the Supreme will entertain him and to reverse a unanimous ruling from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, which rejected his assertions of executive privilege or not respond at all

But we all know Trump is expecting a quid pro quo from the justices he appointed

still can't follow the bouncing ball:kewl:

whack-a-mole....

Dec 17th

Trump goes on anti-Semitic rant, claims Israel controlled Congress and Jews run New York Times

So which is it Jews aren’t loyal to the US or US Jew should be loyal to Israel :huh:

January 2nd

Trump still says his supporters weren't behind the Jan. 6 attack


Why do people still follow and support this pathological liar ?

A year out from 1/6/21, we've arrived at the point where considerable numbers of pro-Trump people declare their outright support for the attack - and where the willingness to cover up for it is the test of orthodoxy for Republicans seeking nomination to the House in 2022
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we need a catchy name for this new national holiday

how about "Deplorables Day" ?

we need a catchy name for this new national holiday

how about "Deplorables Day" ?

trump and the stock market are all they have going for them.
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About 4 in 10 Republicans and independents say violent action against the government is sometimes justified

Seems we have 2 here

About 4 in 10 Republicans and independents say violent action against the government is sometimes justified

Seems we have 2 here

Seems, since it took violent actions against the government to create the U.S., that such violence is sometimes is justified. Unless you're not a fan of the U.S. Or of other violent revolts against governments, especially in Europe, that deposed authoritarians in favor of governments closer to the wishes and needs of the people.

I wonder what the numbers are for Democrats that don’t think protests need to be peaceful
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I wonder what the numbers are for Democrats that don’t think protests need to be peaceful
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don’t you know, it’s ok when democrats do it? you didn’t get the memo?
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About 4 in 10 Republicans and independents say violent action against the government is sometimes justified

Seems we have 2 here

and probably 10 out of 10 democrats feel that way, evidenced by every political riot from the last 35 years except january 6 - anti police riots, black lives matter, antifa, any of that ring a bell?
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and probably 10 out of 10 democrats feel that way, evidenced by every political riot from the last 35 years except january 6 - anti police riots, black lives matter, antifa, any of that ring a bell?
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You are in my prayers Jim.

Trump didn’t change the current GOP, he revealed it. To look the other way is to deny the grave danger to democracy that is the truth of the Republican Party.
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Trump didn’t change the current GOP, he revealed it. To look the other way is to deny the grave danger to democracy that is the truth of the Republican Party.


Nah

You are in my prayers Jim.

this reminds me of when pelosi said she was praying for trump :rotf2:

Trump didn’t change the current GOP, he revealed it. To look the other way is to deny the grave danger to democracy that is the truth of the Republican Party.
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ummmm..it was over in like three hours and the guy with the horns is in jail

ummmm..it was over in like three hours and the guy with the horns is in jail

Sure Jan,
Trump instilled doubt in the "rigged" election, pressured officials, installed DeJoy, admitted he wouldn't concede, appointed someone in the Supreme Court who he believed would help overturn the results, and fomented the violent attempted putsch#^&at the Capitol. It was all Trump.
Even Ivanka says so
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ummmm..it was over in like three hours and the guy with the horns is in jail

we were ALL in grave danger. Grave.

the fact that the lefty riots last summer killed infinitely more people ( since the january 6 idiots killed zero), and caused billions more in property damage, matters not.
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You are in my prayers Jim.

lobbing baseless insults? get outta here, that’s so unlike you. usually your posts are so chock full of accurate facts and non partisan, logical conclusions.
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we were ALL in grave danger. Grave.

the fact that the lefty riots last summer killed infinitely more people ( since the january 6 idiots killed zero), and caused billions more in property damage, matters not.
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72% of Americans believe the people involved in the attack on the Capitol were “threatening democracy” and most believe Trump is responsible. I think you’re underestimating how much people want to see accountability.
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72% of Americans believe the people involved in the attack on the Capitol were “threatening democracy” and most believe Trump is responsible. I think you’re underestimating how much people want to see accountability.
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Do do you think Jim knows what infinitely means? Should he be allowed to do a job that requires math?

72% of Americans believe the people involved in the attack on the Capitol were “threatening democracy” and most believe Trump is responsible. I think you’re underestimating how much people want to see accountability.
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I bet at least 50% of Americans could care less....not sure where you come up with these numbers

Do do you think Jim knows what infinitely means? Should he be allowed to do a job that requires math?

He obviously has a job that requires math skills, but not critical thinking.
This is demonstrated by his claims that people are moving from blue states to red states because they are less “wasteful”
If that were true Louisiana and the rest of the ten lowest rated states, all red, would be attracting a lot more people, most Americans want a centrist political agenda not the fascism Jim supports.
But he doesn’t really like Trump and he’s for gay something, as long as they aren’t women politicians.
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I bet at least 50% of Americans could care less....not sure where you come up with these numbers

If voters don’t believe that an attempt to overthrow the republic by the sitting president is more important than inflation, then maybe they neither want nor deserve the republic.
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If voters don’t believe that an attempt to overthrow the republic by the sitting president is more important than inflation, then maybe they neither want nor deserve the republic.
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The march of the deplorables lasted three hours and was over….other than the phony outrage from the usual suspects lately nobody cares…I’m sorry this frustrates you…it didn’t really disrupt their lives of most…. Inflation is every day….

72% of Americans believe the people involved in the attack on the Capitol were “threatening democracy” and most believe Trump is responsible. I think you’re underestimating how much people want to see accountability.
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a large % of republicans think the 2020 election was stolen.

americans thinking something, doesn’t make it so. especially with our current media.
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Do do you think Jim knows what infinitely means? Should he be allowed to do a job that requires math?

trump wanted to undo the free election. that’s very very bad, but thank god it never came
close to happening. what you can’t explain, is why it wasn’t equally bad when elected democrats attempted to do the same thing after the 2016 election, when they asked electors not to vote for him and then challenged he results of a few states with zero basis to do so.

please explain why it was bad when trump did it, but no biggie when your side did it.
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Do do you think Jim knows what infinitely means? Should he be allowed to do a job that requires math?

trump wanted to undo the free election. that’s very very bad, but thank god it never came
close to happening. what you can’t explain, is why it wasn’t equally bad when elected democrats attempted to do the same thing after the 2016 election, when they asked electors not to vote for him and then challenged he results of a few states with zero basis to do so.

please explain why it was bad when trump did it, but no biggie when your side did it.

trump
told those idiots to march “peacefully and patriotically” to the capital, and he was impeached. and you have been clutching your pearls ever since.

maxine waters told
liberals to hound and harass those in trumps cabinet until they knew “they aren’t welcome anywhere, anytime”, and you could care less.

countless democrats expressed explicit support for the 2020 riots and that’s no big deal.
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If you can shrug it off as just another incident of Trump talking too much, then you have already signed up for the next incident—and the one after that.
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The march of the deplorables lasted three hours and was over….other than the phony outrage from the usual suspects lately nobody cares…I’m sorry this frustrates you…it didn’t really disrupt their lives of most…. Inflation is every day….

Yes, it does. Because none of those other things matter if you lose the Constitution.
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Yes, it does. Because none of those other things matter if you lose the Constitution.
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but why didn’t any of you care, when after the 2016 election, democrats also tried to subvert the results of. free and fair election? many several
democrats asked the electors but to cast their votes for trump, and they objected to the electors in several states casting their votes for trump.

no one here cared. Why is that?

Answer - it’s ok to all of you, when democrats fight dirty. you only care when republicans do it.

When trump makes baseless claims that the 2020 election wasn’t fair, that’s bad because he’s undermining faith in the system. when stacey abrams does the same
thing, it’s not worth mentioning, because shut up.
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trump has succeeded in turning a lot of the left into hopeless drama queens...

Yes, it does. Because none of those other things matter if you lose the Constitution.
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https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1589198414ra/29454426.gif
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trump wanted to undo the free election. that’s very very bad, but thank god it never came
close to happening.
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Jim that’s like saying the priest wanted to rape the kid got their clothes off . But didn’t penetrate them., So I guess it’s ok

But conservatives stick their heads in the sand and excuse it away . Most won’t even admit it trump wanted to undo the free election. that’s very very bad, but thank god it never came
close to happening. embraced lies over Truth trump wanted to undo the free election. that’s very very bad,

but thank god it never happened that’s a BS answer


Our you and others just repost false equivalences claiming their the same ! yelling hypocrisy of the left while being completely dishonest and unwilling separate apples from oranges because you agree with the oranges but are afraid to admit it so you dance around using Trumps logic there’s very good people on both sides
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but why didn’t any of you care, when after the 2016 election, democrats also tried to subvert the results of. free and fair election? many several
democrats asked the electors but to cast their votes for trump, and they objected to the electors in several states casting their votes for trump.

no one here cared. Why is that?

Answer - it’s ok to all of you, when democrats fight dirty. you only care when republicans do it.

When trump makes baseless claims that the 2020 election wasn’t fair, that’s bad because he’s undermining faith in the system. when stacey abrams does the same
thing, it’s not worth mentioning, because shut up.
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The king of false equivalences speaks
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Jim that’s like saying the priest wanted to rape the kid got their clothes off . But didn’t penetrate them., So I guess it’s ok

But conservatives stick their heads in the sand and excuse it away . Most won’t even admit it trump wanted to undo the free election. that’s very very bad, but thank god it never came
close to happening. embraced lies over Truth trump wanted to undo the free election. that’s very very bad,

but thank god it never happened that’s a BS answer


Our you and others just repost false equivalences claiming their the same ! yelling hypocrisy of the left while being completely dishonest and unwilling separate apples from oranges because you agree with the oranges but are afraid to admit it so you dance around using Trumps logic there’s very good people on both sides
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trump didn’t get as far as taking the clothes off. it was never, ever going to happen. shame on him for even thinking about it, but it showed that our system works. trump couldn’t do it, and obviously the morons who stormed the capital had
no chance of accomplishing anything.

some democrats tried to undo the 2016 election, and you didn’t give a damn. why?
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The king of false equivalences speaks
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you keep saying that. but you never specify why the equivalency is false. because you don’t even know what the expression means.

no two events are identical in every way. that doesn’t mean they aren’t comparable.

in 2016, trump won a free election. some democrats ( not biden, to his credit) tried to get the electors to not vote for trump. that’s exactly what they did, and you and spence didn’t care. which means your concern today over what trump did, is fake.

can’t have it both ways.

i think what democrats did then, and what trump did last year, we’re repugnant. i’m consistent. you guys aren’t, because you can’t criticize democrats, never. fine. prepare for the reckoning that’s coming in november.
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Trump Endorses Viktor Orban, Hungary’s Far-Right Prime Minister

Democracy in Hungary has been backsliding under Mr. Orban, whose efforts to consolidate power have caused consternation in the European Union.

But iam the crazy one for thinking Trump and his followers are a direct threat to the US
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you keep saying that. but you never specify why the equivalency is false. because you don’t even know what the expression means.

no two events are identical in every way. that doesn’t mean they aren’t comparable.

in 2016, trump won a free election. some democrats ( not biden, to his credit) tried to get the electors to not vote for trump. that’s exactly what they did, and you and spence didn’t care. which means your concern today over what trump did, is fake.

can’t have it both ways.

i think what democrats did then, and what trump did last year, we’re repugnant. i’m consistent. you guys aren’t, because you can’t criticize democrats, never. fine. prepare for the reckoning that’s coming in november.
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Your examples have been debunked since you posted them last year as not remotely being the same or remotely having the same outcome

Prepare for the reckoning

You are a cult. Member just admit it
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you keep saying that. but you never specify why the equivalency is false. because you don’t even know what the expression means.

no two events are identical in every way. that doesn’t mean they aren’t comparable.

in 2016, trump won a free election. some democrats ( not biden, to his credit) tried to get the electors to not vote for trump. that’s exactly what they did, and you and spence didn’t care. which means your concern today over what trump did, is fake.

can’t have it both ways.
i’m consistent. you guys aren’t, because you can’t criticize democrats, never. fine. prepare for the reckoning that’s coming in november.
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Your examples have been debunked since you posted them last year as not remotely being the same or remotely having the same outcome

Prepare for the reckoning or

i think what democrats did then, and what trump did last year, we’re repugnant.

What did democrats do Jim ?

What did Trump and the Republicans do?

Can’t wait
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Trump Endorses Viktor Orban, Hungary’s Far-Right Prime Minister

"Far-Right"--that's a convenient rather meaningless label--sort of like how "fascism" is used to describe politics one doesn't like.

Democracy in Hungary has been backsliding under Mr. Orban,

Hungarians would be who decide if their Democracy is "backsliding"--your opinion, and that of your sources, notwithstanding.

whose efforts to consolidate power have caused consternation in the European Union.

Yikes, "consternation in the European Union." Is consternation there a new phenomenon? It seems to have been consterned for a long time. Since its inception, there have been predictions that it would fall apart. On the other hand, maybe that's a good sign. A healthy "democracy" should have good levels of consternation. Lockstep is a road to dictatorship.

And as far as consolidating power goes, that seems to be the norm for political parties. You don't think that Democrats spend "efforts to consolidate power?

But iam the crazy one for thinking Trump and his followers are a direct threat to the US
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Yeah, that is a looney idea. BTW, here's another take on Trump's "false claims" of election fraud:

https://justthenews.com/government/congress/trump-confidant-kerik-surrenders-memos-jan-6-panel-vows-eviscerate-democrat#insticator-commenting

Your examples have been debunked since you posted them last year as not remotely being the same or remotely having the same outcome

Prepare for the reckoning or

i think what democrats did then, and what trump did last year, we’re repugnant.

What did democrats do Jim ?

What did Trump and the Republicans do?

Can’t wait
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democrats, like trump, lost a fair election, and attempted to overturn it. how can you deny that?! they asked electors to not vote for the guy who won, end then they objected to the electors who a actually cast their votes for trump.

please tell us how that’s fundamentally different than what you think trump did last year?
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I wonder what the numbers are for Democrats that don’t think protests need to be peaceful
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Some of us said it protesting was good, violence was bad, whether D or R and they were excoriated on the "muhhh BOTH SIDES" thing.

But Jan 6th was a Mostly Peaceful Protest.

But Jan 6th was a Mostly Peaceful
Protest.

Just think of all of the hungry children they could have fed this holiday season instead of funding a massive effort to hand out all of those “parading” tickets
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Just think of all of the hungry children they could have fed this holiday season instead of funding a massive effort to hand out all of those “parading” tickets
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They have hundreds more that will receive “tickets”
The Capital police who bore the brunt of the attack and the perpetrators who have and will receive prison terms would disagree with your gaslighting
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Yeah, that is a looney idea. BTW, here's another take on Trump's "false claims" of election fraud:

https://justthenews.com/government/congress/trump-confidant-kerik-surrenders-memos-jan-6-panel-vows-eviscerate-democrat#insticator-commenting


Trump Endorses Viktor Orban, Hungary’s Far-Right Prime Minister

and you post excuses:faga:

Some of us said it protesting was good, violence was bad, whether D or R and they were excoriated on the "muhhh BOTH SIDES" thing.

But Jan 6th was a Mostly Peaceful Protest.

:deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadh orse::faga::faga::faga::faga::faga::faga::faga::fa ga:

democrats, like trump, lost a fair election, and attempted to overturn it. how can you deny that?! they asked electors to not vote for the guy who won, end then they objected to the electors who a actually cast their votes for trump.

please tell us how that’s fundamentally different than what you think trump did last year?
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democrats, like trump, lost a fair election, and attempted to overturn it.:faga::faga::faga::faga::faga::faga:

you are lost in your own imagination
where everything's the same .:rolleyes:.

democrats, like trump, lost a fair election, and attempted to overturn it.:faga::faga::faga::faga::faga::faga:

you are lost in your own imagination
where everything's the same .:rolleyes:.

stacey abrams : “it was stolen from the voters.”

i posted video of her saying it. but that’s not good enough for you.

good for you.
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democrats, like trump, lost a fair election, and attempted to overturn it.:faga::faga::faga::faga::faga::faga:

you are lost in your own imagination
where everything's the same .:rolleyes:.

the GA secretary of state said trump had zero reason to claim he was robbed. The same secretary of state, said the same
exact thing about abrams.

you cling to everything which helps
liberals, and deny everything which doesn’t.
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Trump Endorses Viktor Orban, Hungary’s Far-Right Prime Minister

and you post excuses:faga:

I didn't excuse anything. What did I say that is not true?

And what do you mean by "far right"? What do you mean by "right"? What would you consider "not-so-far right"? What would you consider smack-dab-in the middle right? What would you consider "way-way-way far right"? What would you consider "so-way-way-way-far out right" that it is no longer distinguishable in meaningful substance from "so-way-way-way-far out left?

And what do you consider yourself to be in that directional spectrum of good and bad or right and wrong? And are you that because you think that's the good or best spot to be? And do you affix "far" in front of a spot on the spectrum simply to denote a position, or to disapprove of a position? And if "far" indicates that you disapprove, who the hell are you to determine what is bad simply by saying it's too "far right"?

Do you have any clue as to what problems the people of Hungary are having in terms of preserving what they think is "Hungarian"? Do you believe they should drop all that ethnic foolishness and just be "European"? Do you believe that the nations of the European Union should dissolve their nominal identification and delineated borders and simply refer to themselves as European? Do you believe, for their own good and the good of "the world," they should become a State named Europe rather than being a European Union?

Do you believe we should become the United State rather than being the United States?

analysis of 2022 secretary of state races across the country found at least 15 Republican candidates running who question the legitimacy of President Biden's 2020 win, even though no evidence of widespread fraud has been uncovered about the race over the last 14 months. In fact, claims of any sort of fraud that swung the election have been explicitly refuted in state after state, including those run by Republicans.

i know nothing to see:jump:

analysis of 2022 secretary of state races across the country found at least 15 Republican candidates running who question the legitimacy of President Biden's 2020 win, even though no evidence of widespread fraud has been uncovered about the race over the last 14 months. In fact, claims of any sort of fraud that swung the election have been explicitly refuted in state after state, including those run by Republicans.

i know nothing to see:jump:

i agree with you, it’s bad to make fake claims of election fraud. but you could care less when democrats tried to undermine the 2016 election, you could care less that Abrams claims hers was stolen. it’s only bad when republicans do it.
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i agree with you, it’s bad to make fake claims of election fraud. but you could care less when democrats tried to undermine the 2016 election, you could care less that Abrams claims hers was stolen. it’s only bad when republicans do it.
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Again thank for you false equivalence

Seeing Trump bailed on his Jan 6th event no worries for our resident jan6 th minimizers. They Can tune in to

Newsmax to Air 'Day of Outrage' for Jan. 6 Anniversary. Day of Outrage” was produced by Newsmax to accurately and fairly detail the events related to the Capitol siege of Jan. 6.

With the following guests

The program includes exclusive interviews with Greg Kelly, who is the host of "Greg Kelly Reports"; Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald Trump; Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga.; Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas; retired Marine Gunnery Sgt. Jessie Jane Duff; Senior Analyst for Strategy at the Center for Security Policy J. Michael Waller; Ashli Babbitt’s mom Micki Witthoeft; Babbitt’s husband, Aaron; Jan. 6 detainee Kenneth Harrelson’s wife, Angel; former detainee Chris Worrell’s fiancée, Trish Priller; and business owner Roberto Minuta.

I am sure these speakers will fill you ears with a recurring theme you all ready believe. … Nothing happened. What you saw was a peaceful protest being twisted by liberals to discredit Republicans and peaceful protesters

And presented no threat to American Democracy then or in the future


But this guest is my favorite. Ashli Babbitt’s mom. She’s upset that Pelosi, Feinstein won’t speak to her about her daughter death but Trump has , Of course he has! Our POTUS supporting someone who attacked the capital in his name. Lol

Seeing Trump bailed on his Jan 6th event no worries for our resident jan6 th minimizers. They Can tune in to

Newsmax to Air 'Day of Outrage' for Jan. 6 Anniversary. Day of Outrage” was produced by Newsmax to accurately and fairly detail the events related to the Capitol siege of Jan. 6.

With the following guests

The program includes exclusive interviews with Greg Kelly, who is the host of "Greg Kelly Reports"; Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald Trump; Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga.; Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas; retired Marine Gunnery Sgt. Jessie Jane Duff; Senior Analyst for Strategy at the Center for Security Policy J. Michael Waller; Ashli Babbitt’s mom Micki Witthoeft; Babbitt’s husband, Aaron; Jan. 6 detainee Kenneth Harrelson’s wife, Angel; former detainee Chris Worrell’s fiancée, Trish Priller; and business owner Roberto Minuta.

I am sure these speakers will fill you ears with a recurring theme you all ready believe. … Nothing happened. What you saw was a peaceful protest being twisted by liberals to discredit Republicans and peaceful protesters

And presented no threat to American Democracy then or in the future


But this guest is my favorite. Ashli Babbitt’s mom. She’s upset that Pelosi, Feinstein won’t speak to her about her daughter death but Trump has , Of course he has! Our POTUS supporting someone who attacked the capital in his name. Lol

Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.

she was a white trumper, killed by a black cop, which is exactly why the left ignores her death. if she was a black gang banger killed by a white cop in a questionable shooting then the left would care. there’d be riots, speeches by al sharpton, etc.

it’s all politics. the left is making january 6 out to be more than it was, the right wa td to pretend it never happened.
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Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.

This is totally out of context thinking, IMHO. She was at the very front of the force about to breach the chamber... I am more surprised by the restraint shown by all others who were defending the Capital and were armed... I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.
And there is more to the Ashley Babbit story than her just being the victim here. She used her vehicle to ram the vehicle of the woman who was in a six year relationship with the man she was sleeping with. So given her record, I am sure she could easily slip into presenting as a threatening member of the attacking force. Good shoot IMO. She put herself there...

Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.

This is totally out of context thinking, IMHO. She was at the very front of the force about to breach the chamber... I am more surprised by the restraint shown by all others who were defending the Capital and were armed... I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.
And there is more to the Ashley Babbit story than her just being the victim here. She used her vehicle to ram the vehicle of the woman who was in a six year relationship with the man she was sleeping with. So given her record, I am sure she could easily slip into presenting as a threatening member of the attacking force. Good shoot IMO. She put herself there...

and whose life was in immediate danger if she breached the chamber? could she have launched nukes from there?

“i would have been firing”

yeah yeah yeah.

officer kim potter is facing 15 years for an honest mistake in a deadly situation created by a criminal. . but this cop is a hero.

makes all kinds of sense.

was stupid for her to break
in, so so stupid.
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Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.

This is totally out of context thinking, IMHO. She was at the very front of the force about to breach the chamber... I am more surprised by the restraint shown by all others who were defending the Capital and were armed... I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.
And there is more to the Ashley Babbit story than her just being the victim here. She used her vehicle to ram the vehicle of the woman who was in a six year relationship with the man she was sleeping with. So given her record, I am sure she could easily slip into presenting as a threatening member of the attacking force. Good shoot IMO. She put herself there...

I too am amazed at the restraint of the officers that day. She was a crazy woman.

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Ashley Babbit was unarmed,

. She was at the very front of the force about to breach the chamber...

...

would you say this "force" was more like Delta Force or Space Force?

I too am amazed at the restraint of the officers that day. She was a crazy woman.

I guess in future at "mostly peaceful protests" and riots it will be ok if the police bust out the live rounds and take down any un-armed protesters that get out of hand and start damaging stuff.....

and whose life was in immediate danger if she breached the chamber?

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you know that if she was protesting/rioting for a leftist cause these guys would be losing their minds over her senseless murder and condemning the police

I guess in future at "mostly peaceful protests" and riots it will be ok if the police bust out the live rounds and take down any un-armed protesters that get out of hand and start damaging stuff.....

You are better than this, aren't you?:whackin:

You are better than this, aren't you?:whackin:

I saw some...actually... a lot ....of very violent attacks on police and military members the summer prior and they didn't fire any bullets

this was an unarmed woman, and maybe she was mentally unstable, but I thought that was a reason not to shoot someone, particularly if they are unarmed

I'm not defending her, I believe what happened to her was the result of bad decisions she made that day just as many police shootings are the result of bad decisions made by those that get themselves shot...it's just amazing to see the response of some to her killing....

This is worth watching. Frontline Season 2021 episode 7 American insurrection.


https://www.pbs.org/video/american-insurrection-ozor8y/

While I clearly saw the bias from the get-go, I feel it connects the dots enough to assign blame for the abject results of Jan 6. The justification of violence by these militias and far right factions are painting some of you in this discussion with the same broad stoke.

would you say this "force" was more like Delta Force or Space Force?

You're a dope....and a gaslighter. The force that overran the Capitol Police, whose job it is to protect and defend the Capitol and members of Congress.

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....and a gaslighter.

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this is already WAY overused....

But Jan 6th was a Mostly Peaceful Protest.

What????? Seriously?

this is already WAY overused....

Agreed. As are the arguments and justifications for actions we are discussing in these recent pages.

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.. I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.

...

how many do you think you could take out?

I saw some...actually... a lot ....of very violent attacks on police and military members the summer prior and they didn't fire any bullets

this was an unarmed woman, and maybe she was mentally unstable, but I thought that was a reason not to shoot someone, particularly if they are unarmed

I'm not defending her, I believe what happened to her was the result of bad decisions she made that day just as many police shootings are the result of bad decisions made by those that get themselves shot...it's just amazing to see the response of some to her killing....

I just find it interesting how you are backing away, or quantifying
a statement made by Jim, that I took issue with...
She put herself in the line of fire. How many thousands of miles did she travel from her home? Her right to peaceful protest ended when she, as a member of the group, proceeded past police barriers, up the step, and breached the Capitol. She put herself there. What is so amazing about my response??? She asked for it.

I just find it interesting how you are backing away,



She asked for it.

from what?

"I'm not defending her, I believe what happened to her was the result of bad decisions she made that day just as many police shootings are the result of bad decisions made by those that get themselves shot...it's just amazing to see the response of some to her killing...."

I wouldn't say she asked for it, she certainly put herself in harms way...she was the only one shot that day...no question as to why only one officer fired a bullet that day despite all of the violence apparently going on particularly as you've said you'd have just opened fire?


you also dragged out the story about a car incident as if that's relevant? Ted Kennedy had a little car incident and still ran for president afterward

The officer did not have the benefit of her past history when he had to make his decision to pull the trigger.

I did have Ted's past history when I chose not to vote for him.

Connecting those two is a stretch... Only common denominator I can see is that we have the benefit of 20/20 vision when looking at their personal histories... and that both are dead.

The officer did not have the benefit of her past history when he had to make his decision to pull the trigger.

I did have Ted's past history when I chose not to vote for him.

Connecting those two is a stretch... Only common denominator I can see is that we have the benefit of 20/20 vision when looking at their personal histories... and that both are dead.

What imminent lethal threat did she pose at the moment she was shot, that could possibly justify deadly force?

Those morons deserved to be punished, the same way all rioters/trespassers are punished. No more, no less.

What????? Seriously?

The January 6 rioters killed exactly zero people.

The officer did not have the benefit of her past history when he had to make his decision to pull the trigger.



this is correct...you brought it up for some reason

What imminent lethal threat did she pose at the moment she was shot, that could possibly justify deadly force?



weren't we told repeatedly afterward(I know I got a letter from the superintendent from my kids school telling be that if this had been blm marching through the capitol the police would have opened fire because they are police and therefore racist)....assuming they would be the same police protecting the capitol we are either supposed to laude them as heroes for restraint and surviving what they endured and not criticize any or one of them for firing a bullet and killing someone who "deserved it"....... or label them would-be racist killers who would have surely opened fire if they saw different skin color on the rioters...

The January 6 rioters killed exactly zero people.

Ross saw it was NOT mostly peaceful, which is why he reacted to John’s post. I had the same gut reaction, but I wasn’t sure if John actually believed that to be true or the post was sarcastic. Sorry anyone thinking that was mostly peaceful is blind, never saw a single video released or want to white wash it away like many on the right are attempting to do. Carry on with, as others have so accurately described this forum, the endless circle jerk.

The January 6 rioters killed exactly zero people.

Police ended up dying and committing suicide shortly thereafter.

Lot's of people get charged w/murder when they participate in crimes even if they didn't pull the trigger.

Ross saw it was NOT mostly peaceful, which is why he reacted to John’s post. I had the same gut reaction, but I wasn’t sure if John actually believed that to be true or the post was sarcastic. Sorry anyone thinking that was mostly peaceful is blind, never saw a single video released or want to white wash it away like many on the right are attempting to do. Carry on with, as others have so accurately described this forum, the endless circle jerk.

John said the "protest," not the riot, was mostly peaceful. There were 30 thousand "protesters" there on Jan6. It was, by far, by numbers, a mostly peaceful protest.

weren't we told repeatedly afterward(I know I got a letter from the superintendent from my kids school telling be that if this had been blm marching through the capitol the police would have opened fire because they are police and therefore racist)....assuming they would be the same police protecting the capitol we are either supposed to laude them as heroes for restraint and surviving what they endured and not criticize any or one of them for firing a bullet and killing someone who "deserved it"....... or label them would-be racist killers who would have surely opened fire if they saw different skin color on the rioters...

DON'T play the reverse race card on this.... That is low. The whole issue is low enough given its political nature of cause and effect.

DO play the S-B Powerball pool...

Ross saw it was NOT mostly peaceful, which is why he reacted to John’s post. I had the same gut reaction, but I wasn’t sure if John actually believed that to be true or the post was sarcastic. Sorry anyone thinking that was mostly peaceful is blind, never saw a single video released or want to white wash it away like many on the right are attempting to do. Carry on with, as others have so accurately described this forum, the endless circle jerk.

John probably applied the same litmus test they used to describe the "Summer of Love" protests as "Mostly Peaceful"
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John said the "protest," not the riot, was mostly peaceful. There were 30 thousand "protesters" there on Jan6. It was, by far, by numbers, a mostly peaceful protest.

Yup like I said, that is the whitewashing going on.

Yup like I said, that is the whitewashing going on.

Would it be truthful to label the vast, vast, majority of the thirty thousand protesters as violent insurrectionists, seditionists, threats to democracy, malicious attackers of police and destroyers of federal property, etc.?

If it was proper to refer to the destructive riots that occurred throughout the past two years as mostly peaceful (presumably because most of the protesters didn't participate in the rioting), then there is no so-called whitewashing to say that Jan6 was mostly peaceful.

And, anyway, John may have also been throwing some sarc back at how those protests were referred to as "mostly peaceful."

DON'T play the reverse race card on this.... That is low.

DO play the S-B Powerball pool...

that's what was said, almost immediately...I didn't say it....

Would it be truthful to label the vast, vast, majority of the thirty thousand protesters as violent insurrectionists, seditionists, threats to democracy, malicious attackers of police and destroyers of federal property, etc.?



not many of "the forces" have been charged with trying to overthrow the country either....you'd think that would be a layup....

John probably applied the same litmus test they used to describe the "Summer of Love" protests as "Mostly Peaceful"
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do you think Maga Force has anything planned for the anniversary? I heard biden is going to try to read the teleprompter again...this should be fun....

Ross saw it was NOT mostly peaceful, which is why he reacted to John’s post. I had the same gut reaction, but I wasn’t sure if John actually believed that to be true or the post was sarcastic. Sorry anyone thinking that was mostly peaceful is blind, never saw a single video released or want to white wash it away like many on the right are attempting to do. Carry on with, as others have so accurately described this forum, the endless circle jerk.

but the summer 2020 riots which resulted in many deaths and way more property damage, those were mostly peaceful. you have no problem with that description.
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Police ended up dying and committing suicide shortly thereafter.

Lot's of people get charged w/murder when they participate in crimes even if they didn't pull the trigger.

one died of natural causes. natural causes.

i am aware that more than some committed suicide after. i’m not aware of their psychological
records, i presume you aren’t either so we don’t know why. but if they committed suicide because of trespassers, then we need stricter requirements for who qualifies for federal law enforcement.
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if they committed suicide because of trespassers, then we need stricter requirements for who qualifies for federal law enforcement.

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this is like people dying with covid or from covid...

but if they committed suicide because of trespassers, then we need stricter requirements for who qualifies for federal law enforcement.
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That is one of the stupidest statements, I guess the military better tighten up their vetting also Jim, maybe everyone could all benefit from your ability to identify those individuals who could possibly be severely affected by ptsd and might take their own lives in the future. You probably already have the winning powerball numbers too, man I wish I could see the future, what a gift.

but the summer 2020 riots which resulted in many deaths and way more property damage, those were mostly peaceful. you have no problem with that description.
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Answering for myself; I do not agree with any of those being characterized as peaceful. They were there for a confrontation. Portland is perfect example. Violence is violence. Less violence does not earn an event the peaceful description. Half wrong? Kinda pregnant? Just doesn't fly.

“What about all the BLM riots?”

What about them?

There have been thousands of protestors prosecuted for breaking the law.
Stop pretending you don’t understand the difference between burning down Target and attacking our nation’s capitol during the election certification.
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Answering for myself; I do not agree with any of those being characterized as peaceful. They were there for a confrontation. Portland is perfect example. Violence is violence. Less violence does not earn an event the peaceful description. Half wrong? Kinda pregnant? Just doesn't fly.

Jim loves to take the far left media talking points and suggest those are our views.

Ps: I’m sure many weren’t happy to listen to the AG’s speech today, it’s far from over and those mostly peaceful individuals involved behind the scenes might be nervous.

Jim loves to take the far left media talking points and suggest those are our views.

Ps: I’m sure many weren’t happy to listen to the AG’s speech today, it’s far from over and those mostly peaceful individuals involved behind the scenes might be nervous.

is CNN far left?

let me ask you point blank. which was more violent, the blm riots of 2020 or january 6? if you say january 6, on what basis ( deaths, hospitalizations, property damage $) would you say january 6?

have fun.

it’s not just the fringe left that does what you’re claiming i cling to. 99% of the left does it.

AOC mocks FL for dangerously managing covid, then is seen partying maskless at a FL bar. When conservatives call out the hypocrisy ( because no one on the left would dare do it). she says people dislike her because she’s got and we can’t have her.

zero criticism from the left.
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is CNN far left?

let me ask you point blank. which was more violent, the blm riots of 2020 or january 6? if you say january 6, on what basis ( deaths, hospitalizations, property damage $) would you say january 6?

have fun.

it’s not just the fringe left that does what you’re claiming i cling to. 99% of the left does it.

AOC mocks FL for dangerously managing covid, then is seen partying maskless at a FL bar. When conservatives call out the hypocrisy ( because no one on the left would dare do it). she says people dislike her because she’s got and we can’t have her.

zero criticism from the left.
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Jim is AOC or CNN debating January 6th with you on this board, don’t lump all democrats or independents who voted Biden into your narrative. January 6th is far and away worse than any BLM protest gone bad, but I know you will never admit it was.

Jim is AOC or CNN debating January 6th with you on this board, don’t lump all democrats or independents who voted Biden into your narrative. January 6th is far and away worse than any BLM protest gone bad, but I know you will never admit it was.

i’d admit january 6 was worse, if there was any possible rational reason to conclude that. the summer riots caused way more deaths, way more property damage. so i guess you don’t use the amount of violence or property damage to compare riots. those seem like pretty obvious metrics to use. not to you though.

“is AOC debating you”

oh. so you’re saying i should
only bring up people who are here debating. the lefties here never bring up trump? is he here debating? or is it only wrongheaded when i point to politicians who aren’t posting here?

you dodged the issue of AOC, because like every other liberal here, you’re incapable of just admitting she was a little
hypocritical to party in FL and very stupid to sexualize all criticism of her. you just can’t do it.

the AG heading up the january 6 investigation worked with teachers unions to flag concerned parents as domestic terrorists if they did things like make the nazi salute. so why wouldn’t we all have great confidence.

my deepest hope is that trump not run again, so i hope they get the goods on him.
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i’d admit january 6 was worse, if there was any possible rational reason to conclude that. the summer riots caused way more deaths, way more property damage. so i guess you don’t use the amount of violence or property damage to compare riots. those seem like pretty obvious metrics to use. not to you though.
It's a stupid comparison.

It's a stupid comparison.

That's what you say about every single comparison or discussion that makes the left look bad.

Question for you, what do you think of AOC? She criticizes Florida for being too lenient regarding covid, then shes seen drinking there without a mask, then when she's criticized for hypocrisy, she says her critics are deranged with frustration at not being able to be intimate with her.

What's your opinion of that behavior?

That's what you say about every single comparison or discussion that makes the left look bad.

Question for you, what do you think of AOC? She criticizes Florida for being too lenient regarding covid, then shes seen drinking there without a mask, then when she's criticized for hypocrisy, she says her critics are deranged with frustration at not being able to be intimate with her.

What's your opinion of that behavior?

The comments by her critic, Owens, got weird about boyfriend's feet and choice of footwear, after having been on point about her actions in Fla. contradicting her stands back home/at work.
As for her reply? It was sophomoric. But it is a stretch to infer she said that he (Owens) or Republicans or you and me want to pound the stuffing out of her in bed.... It is the stretching of the truth, that is the behavior I have a low opinion of...

Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.

she was a white trumper, killed by a black cop, which is exactly why the left ignores her death. if she was a black gang banger killed by a white cop in a questionable shooting then the left would care. there’d be riots, speeches by al sharpton, etc.

it’s all politics. the left is making january 6 out to be more than it was, the right wa td to pretend it never happened.
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It’s just politics sure that’s all it is


Rep. Greene to Newsmax: Dems Trying to 'Brainwash the Public' About Jan. 6
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Love the defense of Babbit and how the Jan6th rioters was as Pence said just a day in January

So let’s ignore any thing Trump ever said before during or after Jan6th , let’s ignore all his inner circle who are suing the Jan6th commission so their involvement isn’t exposed , let’s ignore that Trump is claiming executive privilege when he has none and files bogus lawsuits, then let’s try to compare attacks on a federal building in Seattle to the events of. Jan6th. An attempt to disrupt the certification of the election and trumps big lie which his cult still thinks happened. There is no middle road on this topic you can’t pick the things you like about Trump and ignore everything else. It’s this basic ! you support Trump you supports seditious Trump the and his supporters in their entirety .. No verbal gymnastics can change that.
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Love the defense of Babbit and how the Jan6th rioters was as Pence said just a day in January

So let’s ignore any thing Trump ever said before during or after Jan6th , let’s ignore all his inner circle who are suing the Jan6th commission so their involvement isn’t exposed , let’s ignore that Trump is claiming executive privilege when he has none and files bogus lawsuits, then let’s try to compare attacks on a federal building in Seattle to the events of. Jan6th. An attempt to disrupt the certification of the election and trumps big lie which his cult still thinks happened. There is no middle road on this topic you can’t pick the things you like about Trump and ignore everything else. It’s this basic ! you support Trump you supports seditious Trump the and his supporters in their entirety .. No verbal gymnastics can change that.
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It’s pretty simple, Jim is being brainwashed to accept authoritarian rule.

It's a stupid comparison.

No it’s not
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Well….dementia joe assured the nation the other day that he’s optimistic about 2020. So I guess there’s nothing to worry about. Can’t wait to hear what he tries to say tomorrow
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Democraps should be very grateful that MAGA Force tried to capture the flag because it’s the only distraction they can currently muster to deflect from the disaster that is Biden and his administration
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It’s pretty simple, Jim is being brainwashed to accept authoritarian rule.

brainwashed, yet i can immediately disagree with conservatives on big issues. you agree with liberals in every single issue, and never side against liberals ever.

that’s not brainwashed?

yes like most conservatives, i’m very pro authoritarian.
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No it’s not
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30 people killed in those summer
riots, two thousand cops injured.

but january 6th was worse than that, probably worse than 9/11 and a million ones worse than Gettysburg.

Democrats know well that americans don’t like
their ideas. so rather than spending any time discussing their policies, they spend 100% of their time telling america why we need to fear republicans ( who have better ideas and run states which people
are moving to).
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30 people killed in those summer
riots, two thousand cops injured.

but january 6th was worse than that, probably worse than 9/11 and a million ones worse than Gettysburg.

Democrats know well that americans don’t like
their ideas. so rather than spending any time discussing their policies, they spend 100% of their time telling america why we need to fear republicans ( who have better ideas and run states which people
are moving to).
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You just couldn't help yourself, could you? It is comments like what I have put in bold that stop someone like me from taking you seriously. And you were so close....

yes like most conservatives, i’m very pro authoritarian.
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Hmm... just connecting the dots.

au·thor·i·tar·i·an

adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Similar:
autocratic dictatorial totalitarian despotic tyrannical

Hmm... just connecting the dots.

au·thor·i·tar·i·an

adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Similar:
autocratic dictatorial totalitarian despotic tyrannical

Jim is just confused. He says it was a bad thing but plays into every right wing trope on how it wasn’t that big of a deal just to try and impress Scott.

This is why social media sucks.

Jim is just confused. He says it was a bad thing but plays into every right wing trope on how it wasn’t that big of a deal just to try and impress Scott.

This is why social media sucks.

i ask on what basis one would conclude january 6 was worse than the BlM riots. GS hides, you lob insults. It’s what simpletons do when they’ve lost, but they’re too small to admit it.

Scott and i have disagreed on some big issues here. have you ever once, even one time, disagreed with pete or wayne or paul? one time?

nope.

every single person here, knows exactly what you’re going to say before you say it, on every single solitary issue. that’s not a great thing. what’s the difference between you and sean hannity? nothing. you’re his exact mirror image, exactly as thoughtless, predictable, parrot-like, and boring.

no authoritarian, would let the media treat him, the way they treated trump. he didn’t like it, and handled it like a baby, but he didn’t shut them down like any authoritarian would.

meanwhile biden’s authoritarian mandates are getting struck
down everywhere. as his refusal
to let military claim religious exemptions. i didn’t know the bill
of rights specifies that it doesn’t apply to the military.
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meanwhile biden’s authoritarian mandates are getting struck
down everywhere.

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democrat mandates and democrat authoritarians are good because they are good for you and come from experts with 99.9% consensus or something....


trump isn't president and we know who the authoritarians are:hihi:

You just couldn't help yourself, could you? It is comments like what I have put in bold that stop someone like me from taking you seriously. And you were so close....

it's the democrats that have decided three hours of trespassing were some of the darkest in American history...I guess we shouldn't take them seriously....

back to your itchy trigger finger.....when you started blasting away before they reached the top of the stairs.....would you just pick a few off and see if that caused a response and turned the forces away at that point or would you just mow them down and let God sort them out?
just trying to understand the strategy....

Hmm... just connecting the dots.

au·thor·i·tar·i·an

adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Similar:
autocratic dictatorial totalitarian despotic tyrannical

just looking around the room here....who would be most likely to embrace the authoritarian role?...let's go top 3...who would enjoy most, the ability to control and direct the lives of others in an authoritarian way through government because they think they are the most informed and consider themselves the smartest and best equipped morally and ethically to do so....I'll give you a little time :smokin:

ps. this doesn't sound authoritarian....."Vice President Kamala Harris said during her CBS interview Sunday that 'democracy' is the most significant national security threat facing the United States. "

That is one of the stupidest statements, I guess the military better tighten up their vetting also Jim, maybe everyone could all benefit from your ability to identify those individuals who could possibly be severely affected by ptsd and might take their own lives in the future. You probably already have the winning powerball numbers too, man I wish I could see the future, what a gift.

ptsd from combat is something anyone can understand.

i’m not sure i buy that anyone has ever been driven to suicide because of dealing with trespassing and low grade vandalism.
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Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

Hmm... just connecting the dots.

au·thor·i·tar·i·an

adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Similar:
autocratic dictatorial totalitarian despotic tyrannical

so, does forcing people
to inject medicine they don’t wish to take, qualify as “forcing obedience to authority at expense to personal
freedom?”

how about telling military they can’t qualify for religious exemptions, which was struck down as unconstitutional by a federal judge?

trump trying toni return an election he didn’t win, obviously qualifies as dictatorial. but i don’t know that trump’s policies stripped
us of a lot of freedoms. he eliminated a lot of federal regulations. and no dictator wirthnhis salt, would
allow cnn and msnbc to attack him 24/7.
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Stop pretending you don’t understand the difference between burning down Target and.....

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oh....was that all that happened?

Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

Again…..

https://c.tenor.com/SUNioctcfEUAAAAC/this.gif
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so, does forcing people
to inject medicine they don’t wish to take, qualify as “forcing obedience to authority at expense to personal
freedom?”


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if you get vaccinated and want/demand mandated vaccines for everyone else..or else.. you are not an authoritarian...

if you get vaccinated but don't support mandates for others... you are an authoritarian and anti-vaxxer

if you don't want to be vaccinated yourself and don't support mandates for others...you are an authoritarian and anti-vaxxer

if you think schools should stick to reading, writing and arithmetic and stop trying to play social engineers/activist trainers with other peoples kids.....you are an authoritarian and probably a domestic terrorist

if you think schools need to perform all of the parenting duties that the social engineers/activists believe need to be performed because parents are too stupid and incompetent to provide these thing for their own children...you are not an authoritarian

follow the logic :rotf3:

if you get vaccinated and want/demand mandated vaccines for everyone else..or else.. you are not an authoritarian...

if you get vaccinated but don't support mandates for others... you are an authoritarian and anti-vaxxer

if you don't want to be vaccinated yourself and don't support mandates for others...you are an authoritarian and anti-vaxxer

if you think schools should stick to reading, writing and arithmetic and stop trying to play social engineers/activist trainers with other peoples kids.....you are an authoritarian and probably a domestic terrorist

if you think schools need to perform all of the parenting duties that the social engineers believe need to be performed because parents are too stupid and incompetent to provide these thing for their own children...you are not an authoritarian

follow the logic :rotf3:

here’s the logic.

liberal=good, conservative=bad. no exceptions, not once, not ever. because life is exactly that simple.
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Disapproval of Biden Hits New High- 1 day ago

good time for him to remind us how bad trump is/was.....

imagine how the media and democrats would be cackling if trump said this and we were where we are currently

Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

John are you suggesting what happened and still happening isn’t a threat to democracy? Or do you just disagree with the civil war as the example?

At least 163 Republicans who have embraced Trump’s false claims are running for statewide positions that would give them authority over the administration of elections

Trump has spent much of his post-presidency marinating in false voting claims and electoral conspiracy theories. He has pushed Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, and other Republican officials to claim on television that the election was stolen

The RNC is launching a range of new initiatives related to elections, including plans for filing lawsuits in states, hiring more elections-related officials and recruiting more volunteers,

58 percent of Republicans think Biden’s election was not legitimate, and 62 percent think there is solid evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election.

Some falsely claimed leftist “antifa” protesters were behind the violence. Others falsely argued there was very little violence on Jan. 6 or, as Rep. Andrew S. Clyde (R-Ga.) claimed, the riot was simply “a normal tourist visit.” And some Republicans rebranded those arrested in the aftermath of the insurrection as “political prisoners.”

Trump and his supporters have also sought to make a martyr of Ashli Babbitt,

On and on and on
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Disapproval of Biden Hits New High- 1 day ago

good time for him to remind us how bad trump is/was.....

imagine how the media and democrats would be cackling if trump said this and we were where we are currently

I know right ! Making a statement trying to get a handle on the virus compared to Trumps it’s going to just disappear or let’s put light in the body.. and you dare talk about liberal logic lol



You
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Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

Well isn't that the R party today? A bunch of idiots where over 50% believe the election was stolen and a vaccine will make you sterile. Where states want to be able to overrule the will of the people and put into power whomever they want.

Seems to me we're screwed.

The RNC is launching a range of new initiatives related to elections, including plans for filing lawsuits in states, hiring more elections-related officials and recruiting more volunteers,

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oh my god, the RNC is recruiting volunteers!!!! the world is coming to an end!

i wouldn’t say Babbitt is a martyr. but i’d say she was a tiny unarmed woman who was shot to death by a cop with no warning, when she posed to possible imminent lethal threat to anyone.

a better question is, why doesn’t anyone on the left care about that?

the left spent a great deal
of energy in 2020 speaking out against improper use of
lethal force by police, but no one one the left wants to talk at all about what happened to Babbitt.

reason? politics. the left only cares about police killing when it helps them politically.

but back to the RNC refuting volunteers, i mean it’s time to sell
my stocks and build that underground bomb shelter in my yard.

again you complain when republicans make false claims of election fraud, but could care less when democrats do it.
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Well isn't that the R party today? A bunch of idiots where over 50% believe the election was stolen and a vaccine will make you sterile. Where states want to be able to overrule the will of the people and put into power whomever they want.

Seems to me we're screwed.

if republicans are so idiotic, why are so many people leaving blue states and moving to red states?

the dnc uses superdelegates in their primaries. literally, the only reason they do this, is to be able to overrule the will of the people ( their people) so that the kingmakers can put whoever they want into power.

i’m not disagreeing with your observations of awful
behavior on the right. but you constantly willfully ignore it on the left. very convenient for you

when you ignore everything smart then right does, and you ignore everything stupid the left does, it makes a comparison pretty stark. but i’m not sure it’s an accurate comparison.
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Making a statement trying to get a handle on the virus

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he went a bit further than that....

John are you suggesting what happened and still happening isn’t a threat to democracy?

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kamala said democracy is a threat to our democacy...and we are a republic by the way

Well isn't that the R party today? A bunch of idiots

Seems to me we're screwed.

this sounds authoritarian

Seems to me we're screwed.



Venezuela is accepting applications...

Seems to me we're screwed.

yet after 4 years of trump ( maybe the biggest jerk to ever be POTUS), a record 58% of americans said they were better off after 4 years of trump, than they were before. and that was during the pandemic.

a record number of americans liked his policies. gallup does that poll every 4 years, and no president ever, had more americans say they were better off than 4 years ago.

what’s impressive about that, is that things were pretty good at the end of obama’s second term, it’s not like trump inherited a great depression, where anyone could make improvements. yet a record number of americans said trump made things better, even though he inherited a good starting place.

Trump is an in obnoxious, vindictive, world class narcissist. But the fact is, Americans liked his policies. They didn’t like him personally, but they liked his policies.
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Venezuela is accepting applications...

That sounds like what a snarky troll would say.

That sounds like what a snarky troll would say.

as opposed to saying republicans are a bunch of idiots. no snark there.
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if republicans are so idiotic, why are so many people leaving blue states and moving to red states? retirement ie warm weather. Population is getting older.

the dnc uses superdelegates in their primaries. literally, the only reason they do this, is to be able to overrule the will of the people ( their people) so that the kingmakers can put whoever they want into power.

i’m not disagreeing with your observations of awful
behavior on the right. but you constantly willfully ignore it on the left. very convenient for you

when you ignore everything smart then right does, and you ignore everything stupid the left does, it makes a comparison pretty stark. but i’m not sure it’s an accurate comparison.
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But the bad behavior on the left doesn't compare to the bad behaviour on the right. So when almost all elected Rs refuse to vote to certify a Pres, (or acknowledge the Pres. won) comparing it to a few Ds who do the same is silly.

But the bad behavior on the left doesn't compare to the bad behaviour on the right. So when almost all elected Rs refuse to vote to certify a Pres, (or acknowledge the Pres. won) comparing it to a few Ds who do the same is silly.

“retirement warm weather”.

(1) it’s not just retirees who are moving.

(2) are you saying there aren’t any blue states, where it’s warm? California has no sections with warm winters?

You really drank the kool aid paul.

“the bad behavior in the left doesn’t compare to the bad behavior in the right.”

Summer 2020 riots, dozens killed by rioters.

January 6 : zero people
killed by rioters

i agree, there’s not much comparison there.

“almost all elected Rs refuse to vote to certify an elected president”.

what are the numbers in that, exactly? how many? that bass the injection to the results in one state, PA?

the lefties here won’t even admit stacey abrams is saying her election was stolen. she said not in video, but that’s not good enough.
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But the bad behavior on the left doesn't compare to the bad behaviour on the right.



good grief......

hilarious jim defend Jan 6th with why people are moving to reds states AGAIN

Officials in Arizona’s Maricopa County are using the anniversary of the Jan. 6 insurrection to once again push back on claims of election fraud there that many Republicans believe helped Joe Biden win the 2020 presidential race.

"We're done. This is the end of the 2020 election. We have addressed the issues; we have debunked them,” said Bill Gates, the chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors.

omg say it ain't so the damn RINOS are everywhere

hilarious jim defend Jan 6th with why people are moving to reds states AGAIN

Officials in Arizona’s Maricopa County are using the anniversary of the Jan. 6 insurrection to once again push back on claims of election fraud there that many Republicans believe helped Joe Biden win the 2020 presidential race.

"We're done. This is the end of the 2020 election. We have addressed the issues; we have debunked them,” said Bill Gates, the chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors.

omg say it ain't so the damn RINOS are everywhere

january 6 has nothing to do with people moving to red states. never said they were related. i said the migration to red states, indicates that many americans think conservatives have some good ideas. that’s not reasonable?

wayne, you said this week, that people don’t move to red states because of politics, but they move for low taxes. You see no connection between politics and taxes. that’s about the stupidest thing i’ve ever heard. i’ve never said anything close to that stupid.

you also dismissed stacey abrams saying her election was stolen, because she said it to ted cruz. you couldn’t explain why it matters who she was speaking to.

worry about you, don’t worry about me.

i hate what conservatives did on january 6. i hate it because (1) i hate all riots, and (2) it was the first politically motivated riot i can think of, done by the right. up until
then, i could claim that only liberals resorted to rioting when they didn’t get their way. now i can’t ever say that again.
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i hate what conservatives did on january 6.


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Well…trump got like 74 million votes…..and there have been about 700 arrests for bad behavior…no shots fired and mostly for trespassing and parading….you can do the math….I haven’t heard anyone condone the behavior so I don’t know that you can throw such a large blanket…..it was a relatively small number of knuckleheads in reality. It will be fun to find out how many people the FBI had involved to inspire bad behavior. Not that it would be an excuse but truly awful reflection and yet not unprecedented for that agency
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Well…trump got like 74 million votes…..and there have been about 700 arrests for bad behavior…no shots fired and mostly for trespassing and parading….you can do the math….I haven’t heard anyone condone the behavior so I don’t know that you can throw such a large blanket…..it was a relatively small number of knuckleheads in reality. It will be fun to find out how many people the FBI had involved to inspire bad behavior. Not that it would be an excuse but truly awful reflection and yet not unprecedented for that agency
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i’m not saying most conservatives were there rioting. but most of the rioters were conservatives

it’s the first and only politically motivated riot, started by my side. i liked being able to rightly claim that only liberals did that. now i can’t claim it.

liberals ignored every single
liberal riot that’s ever happened, and will fixate on the one conservative riot until the 2024 elections at least .

liberals complain that too many conservatives believe the election was stolen !( too many believe that in my opinion), but they don’t care that most liberals believe conservatives are racist, and only care about the wealthy, despite there being no evidence of that.

stupid, dim people on either side, will believe what they’re told and what makes them feel validated. plenty of that here. republicans are racist and only care about the wealthy! trumps tax cuts only helped the wealthy! the Steele
dossier is irrefutable fact! JohnMcCain is a racist! Pro life people hate women! republicans want to return to slavery! Brett Kavanaugh is a serial rapist!

Anything to avoid talking about the issues, anything to avoid talking about what works and what doesn’t work.

I’m coming around to the idea that you cannot be liberal on most issues, if you’re a results-oriented person.
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Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

Collapse of Weimar in Germany. Rise of Mussolini in Italy. Stalin's post-Lenin purges. Read a little history on how dictatorships rise. The common thread in every story? Under-reaction from the rest of civil society during the phase when they had the power to stop it.
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The common thread in every story? Under-reaction from the rest of civil society during the phase when they had the power to stop it.
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I’m not sure where you get your news from, but Trumps attempt to
undermine the 2020 election, was in fact stopped. Biden is president.

We under reacted to
january 6th? Should we send all
the trespassers to Guantanamo
Bay?
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“retirement warm weather”.

(1) it’s not just retirees who are moving.

(2) are you saying there aren’t any blue states, where it’s warm? California has no sections with warm winters?

You really drank the kool aid paul. You're the Kool aid drinker who thinks people are only moving bc of politics and you say it here constantly. There are many reasons for people moving to Fl. but the primary one is the warm weather.

“the bad behavior in the left doesn’t compare to the bad behavior in the right.”

Summer 2020 riots, dozens killed by rioters.

January 6 : zero people
killed by rioters

i agree, there’s not much comparison there. Are you saying that the protesters were all Ds? (I know that you love to use the word riots), There were many, many millions of peaceful protestors last summer and I bet the % of people causing trouble was less than the % on 1/6.
Since you are assuming they are all on the left I guess that shows how many on the right care about social justice - NONE.

“almost all elected Rs refuse to vote to certify an elected president”.

what are the numbers in that, exactly? Go back to one year ago and see how many R refused to do just that.
And now many Rs still refuse to admit Biden won.how many? that bass the injection to the results in one state, PA?

the lefties here won’t even admit stacey abrams is saying her election was stolen. she said not in video, but that’s not good enough.
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She was talking about the people who were purged from voting roles - not the vote on election day. But you knew that bc you have been told that repeatedly. So that is one compared to what 70% of the R party?

i never, ever said people are only moving for politics. That is what you constantly imply as if that is the only reason.

you said they’re moving for weather. that’s ridiculous, No, that is not what I said. So stop lying. I said "there are many reasons"unfit was only about the weather, they’d move to warm liberal places.

But they don’t.
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Calif. is packed w/people and housing is expensive bc no more room in So. Calif.

If people wanted to move bc of politics, the warm states like Al, Miss, La, etc would be booming but their not. They are all failed states who depend on the rich liberal states to sustain themselves.

Collapse of Weimar in Germany. Rise of Mussolini in Italy. Stalin's post-Lenin purges. Read a little history on how dictatorships rise.

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it was more like this without the swords

They are all failed states who depend on the rich liberal states to sustain themselves.

define "failed states"....

She was talking about the people who were purged from voting roles - not the vote on election day. But you knew that bc you have been told that repeatedly. So that is one compared to what 70% of the R party?

"You're the Kool aid drinker who thinks people are only moving bc of politics and you say it here constantly. "

I don't think I've said that once. I think you're hearing voices. It's not just for politics. OK? It's not just for politics.

If it was just weather, why wouldn't they move to southern California? How come none of you will ever answer that simple question?

People move for many reasons. But the general trend, is moving from blue states to red states. Blue states are very, very expensive. Red states generally aren't. That's a function of politics. Liberals like big government, which is expensive.

"Are you saying that the protesters were all Ds? "

I don't know which riots you are referring to. In the summer of 2020, the rioters were almost all Ds. On January 6th, the rioters were almost all Rs. Fair enough? Anything crazy there?

"There were many, many millions of peaceful protestors last summer and I bet the % of people causing trouble was less than the % on 1/6."

That's a wild guess. What's not a guess, is that the January 6 riots resulted in many less deaths (precisely zero caused by the rioters) and in far less property damage, than the summer 2020 riots. Is that true, or is that false?

"that shows how many on the right care about social justice - NONE."

Gibberish.

Paul, most republicans condemn what happened on 1/6, most liberals won't condemn the summer 2020 riots.

"She was talking about the people who were purged from voting roles"

Every single one of whom, was eligible to vote if they showed up with id. The data shows that turnout in that election was historically high. "High turnout" means lots of voters. And she lost.

From the USA Today, which is liberal, and I quote...

"the holds would not have stopped those Georgians from voting. All the person had to do is show up with their photo ID, which everyone has to have, and they would've been allowed to vote," he said

What else ya got, Paul?

"So that is one compared to what 70% of the R party?"

Have you seen a poll that shows what % of democrats think Abrams' election was stolen? I haven't. So I don't know which party has a higher % or folks who believe without facts, that an election they lost, was stolen.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/18/fact-check-partly-false-claim-stacey-abrams-2018-race/6318836002/

I’m not sure where you get your news from, but Trumps attempt to
undermine the 2020 election, was in fact stopped. Biden is president.

We under reacted to
january 6th? Should we send all
the trespassers to Guantanamo
Bay?
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One year ago, the storming of the U.S. Capitol marked a final, violent attempt to subvert a national election after earlier efforts by the former president and his allies had failed.

Those efforts principally sought to nullify states’ election results by filing dozens of lawsuits predicated on fictitious claims; coercing and possibly criminally soliciting state and local officials to commit election fraud; attempting to enlist the Justice Department in a campaign to overturn results; urging state lawmakers to “decertify” results themselves; pressuring the then-vice president to delay or block the counting of electoral votes by Congress; and petitioning the Supreme Court to delay certification in the event the vice president would not. As the Jan. 6 certification approached, the former president assessed how he might declare martial law in order to seize voting machines and “redo” the election. Then, he and allies incited a violent mob to ransack the Capitol. Threading these efforts together was the Big Lie: the former president’s Orwellian claim that others had in fact corrupted the election, and that he was its victim.

Pursuing accountability generates all sorts of risks, but avoiding accountability is riskier still. In light of the consequences otherwise, the pursuit of accountability for serious wrongdoing must be a given.
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One year ago, the storming of the U.S. Capitol marked a final, violent attempt to subvert a national election after earlier efforts by the former president and his allies had failed.

Those efforts principally sought to nullify states’ election results by filing dozens of lawsuits predicated on fictitious claims; coercing and possibly criminally soliciting state and local officials to commit election fraud; attempting to enlist the Justice Department in a campaign to overturn results; urging state lawmakers to “decertify” results themselves; pressuring the then-vice president to delay or block the counting of electoral votes by Congress; and petitioning the Supreme Court to delay certification in the event the vice president would not. As the Jan. 6 certification approached, the former president assessed how he might declare martial law in order to seize voting machines and “redo” the election. Then, he and allies incited a violent mob to ransack the Capitol. Threading these efforts together was the Big Lie: the former president’s Orwellian claim that others had in fact corrupted the election, and that he was its victim.

Pursuing accountability generates all sorts of risks, but avoiding accountability is riskier still. In light of the consequences otherwise, the pursuit of accountability for serious wrongdoing must be a given.
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are you going to spend the next four years insisting trump needs to go to jail for this now? since, despite your best efforts, you have failed for the last 5


you know he's going to run and win in 2024....it will be fun to see your reaction:jester:

Calif. is packed w/people and housing is expensive bc no more room in So. Calif.

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tents are nice...people love camping...not a sign of failure at all

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Ok. SO the democrats who asked the electors in 2016 not to vote for Trump, and the democrats in Congress who voted to contest election results in a few states with zero evidence of wrongdoing (some of them are still in Congress)...where is their accountability, Pete?

If avoiding accountability is such an existential threat, how come you've never called for any of them top be accountable? What they tried to do, was undermine a free and fair election, because they didn't win. That's EXACTLY what Trump tried to do.

Just post what we all already know...you only think it's bad when Republicans do it.

Just post what we all already know...you only think it's bad when Republicans do it.



I wonder what they would be saying about the promised nationwide riots if trump had won...never mind...been there done that, we know the answer :hihi:

Calif. is packed w/people and housing is expensive bc no more room in So. Calif.

If people wanted to move bc of politics, the warm states like Al, Miss, La, etc would be booming but their not. They are all failed states who depend on the rich liberal states to sustain themselves.

"Calif. is packed w/people"

You got a poll that shows that people choose FL over CA because of population density? Or are you making up anything you can that avoids the truth?

"If people wanted to move bc of politics, the warm states like Al, Miss, La, etc would be booming but their not."

I never said all red states are good states. But if politics had nothing to do with it, people would be moving equally to red states and blue states. If yuo look at the states where most people are moving to, they are disproportionately red.

Ok. SO the democrats who asked the electors in 2016 not to vote for Trump, and the democrats in Congress who voted to contest election results in a few states with zero evidence of wrongdoing (some of them are still in Congress)...where is their accountability, Pete?

If avoiding accountability is such an existential threat, how come you've never called for any of them top be accountable? What they tried to do, was undermine a free and fair election, because they didn't win. That's EXACTLY what Trump tried to do.

Just post what we all already know...you only think it's bad when Republicans do it.


I think 7 House Ds objected to the 2016 election. 147 R objected to the 2020 election. There never where any D plans to decertify any states elections and flip the electorial votes like the Rs tried to do. So even an actuary should know is a difference of magnitude bt the 2 or are you trying to be dishonest by equating 2 things which are of different magnitude?

"Calif. is packed w/people"

You got a poll that shows that people choose FL over CA because of population density? Or are you making up anything you can that avoids the truth?




Do you have any polls that show people choose Fl over CA bc of politics or are you trying to avoid the truth?

I think 7 House Ds objected to the 2016 election. 147 R objected to the 2020 election. There never where any D plans to decertify any states elections and flip the electorial votes like the Rs tried to do. So even an actuary should know is a difference of magnitude bt the 2.

"I think 7 House Ds objected to the 2016 election. 147 R objected to the 2020 election"

Correct. The house Ds objected to multiple states, I think the Rs in 2020 only objected to PA? Is that correct? I may be wrong.

"There never where any D plans to decertify any states elections and flip the electorial votes like the Rs tried to do"

Please explain. If the Rs only objected to PA (maybe I'm completely wrong about that?), even if PA switched, that wouldn't have changed the election.

You're very conveniently ignoring that some democrats asked the electors to not vote for Trump. That was an attempt to get someone else elected.

Some of you have said that Trumps crime was undermining public confidence in our elections. How did the democrats who voted to object, not cause the public to lose confidence in our elections?

And why do democrats (if they think democracy is good) use superdelegates in their primaries? The superdelegates exist for one reason only - to un-do the will of the people, if the kingmakers wish to do so.

Paul, I'm admitting that what Trump did was awful, and I desperately don't want him to run again. But none of you, not one, can find any fault with a single thing the democrats did after the 2016 election, nor can you condemn the 2020 riots. Because nothing can be wrong when democrats do it. Rioting, trying to undermine election results you don't like, making false claims of election fraud - those things only matter when republicans do them.

Paul, I'm admitting that what Trump did was awful, and I desperately don't want him to run again. But none of you, not one, can find any fault with a single thing the democrats did after the 2016 election, nor can you condemn the 2020 riots.

how many private American citizens felt terrorized, physically endangered or their businesses' threatened by the activities during the summer of love? and how many felt the same during the three hours of irrational exuberance at the capitol? that's the difference, the drama queens here and on msnbc, cnn and the dem politicians can scream at the sky, but most people don't care or have forgotten about it...they just know biden sucks right now

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You're very conveniently ignoring that some democrats asked the electors to not vote for Trump. That was an attempt to get someone else elected. From what I remember they didn't want to change the election to Clinton - it was more they objected to Trump being elected. And there were never any plans to have states say we aren't listening to the voters and instead we are going to send these other electors who happen to want a Pres. who didn't get the most votes in the state.

Some of you have said that Trumps crime was undermining public confidence in our elections. He continues to say day in and day out there was fraud when there was none. Even in the states who have recounted there has been none turned up. How did the democrats who voted to object, not cause the public to lose confidence in our elections?BC the magnitude of who said it - the Pres vs some 7 congressman.

And why do democrats (if they think democracy is good) use superdelegates in their primaries? The superdelegates exist for one reason only - to un-do the will of the people, if the kingmakers wish to do so.

Paul, I'm admitting that what Trump did was awful, and I desperately don't want him to run again. But none of you, not one, can find any fault with a single thing the democrats did after the 2016 election, nor can you condemn the 2020 riots. Because nothing can be wrong when democrats do it. Rioting, trying to undermine election results you don't like, making false claims of election fraud - those things only matter when republicans do them. Different degree of magnitude.

Edit - and to me it isn't about Trump as much as the others who are afraid to call him out on his lies. There are very few Rs congressman who admit he lost.

And from an article today (2 undermining confidence in our elected officials):

On the show, hosted by Stephen K. Bannon, one of Mr. Trump’s top former advisers, Representatives Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene laid responsibility on Democrats, the Capitol Police, the federal government and others.

The idea that people other than Mr. Trump’s own supporters were responsible for the violence that day has become a popular conspiracy theory among the far right. There is no evidence that undercover agents or other outsiders played a role in the attack and fact checkers have worked to debunk similar claims aired on Fox News. The pair of lawmakers offered little evidence for their claims during the show.

Mr. Gaetz, a Florida Republican, repeated some of the unfounded claims on Thursday, including that the government and police tried to set up the protesters.

“We’re here to get to the truth behind Jan. 6, the federal government’s own involvement with it,” Mr. Gaetz said in his hourlong interview on “Bannon’s War Room.”

are you going to spend the next four years insisting trump needs to go to jail for this now? since, despite your best efforts, you have failed for the last 5


you know he's going to run and win in 2024....it will be fun to see your reaction:jester:

Remember, long before he was a judge, Merrick Garland prosecuted the Oklahoma City bombing and the Atlanta Olympics bombing — and earned a rep of being silent, methodical, and deadly effective.
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Edit - and to me it isn't about Trump as much as the others who are afraid to call him out on his lies. There are very few Rs congressman who admit he lost.

And from an article today (2 undermining confidence in our elected officials):

On the show, hosted by Stephen K. Bannon, one of Mr. Trump’s top former advisers, Representatives Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene laid responsibility on Democrats, the Capitol Police, the federal government and others.

The idea that people other than Mr. Trump’s own supporters were responsible for the violence that day has become a popular conspiracy theory among the far right. There is no evidence that undercover agents or other outsiders played a role in the attack and fact checkers have worked to debunk similar claims aired on Fox News. The pair of lawmakers offered little evidence for their claims during the show.

Mr. Gaetz, a Florida Republican, repeated some of the unfounded claims on Thursday, including that the government and police tried to set up the protesters.

“We’re here to get to the truth behind Jan. 6, the federal government’s own involvement with it,” Mr. Gaetz said in his hourlong interview on “Bannon’s War Room.”

"From what I remember they didn't want to change the election to Clinton - it was more they objected to Trump being elected"

True, thats correct. But Trump won fair and square, so where in the Constitution does it say they can try to change the results when they're sufficiently disappointed? They didn't like the result, so they tried to overturn it and get someone in they liked more. Wcich is what Trump tried to do.

"Different degree of magnitude."

How about putting kids in cages - fine when Obama did it. a crime against humanity when Trump did it.

Same with being opposed to gay marriage for religious reasons - fine when Obama and Hilary say it (didn't stop Obama from wining the Nobel Peace Prize), but when a Republican says it, they are hounded out of business, denied a chance to make a living.

how many private American citizens felt terrorized, physically endangered or their businesses' threatened by the activities during the summer of love? and how many felt the same during the three hours of irrational exuberance at the capitol? that's the difference, the drama queens here and on msnbc, cnn and the dem politicians can scream at the sky, but most people don't care or have forgotten about it...they just know biden sucks right now

I wonder if it means a lot less to most of America than it means to liberals right now. I wonder if people have shrugged it off.

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may the force be with you....

I wonder if it means a lot less to most of America than it means to liberals right now. I wonder if people have shrugged it off.

pretty sure when joe was rambling about some battle between democracy and autocracy going on in his head, most American's were just worried about their most recent oil bill and their kid's school shutting down again...

do you think he knows he's president?...it's hard to tell sometimes...

pretty sure when joe was rambling about some battle between democracy and autocracy going on in his head, most American's were just worried about their most recent oil bill and their kid's school shutting down again...

do you think he knows he's president?...it's hard to tell sometimes...

do you think he runs again? I have no idea. He may be their best shot, it's stunning to me, how weak their bench is. The only formidable one is Michelle Obama, who I don't think could be beaten by anyone, I just hope she doesn't want it.

You want Trump to run again? I really don't. I keep hoping Condi Rice will step up, she'd be so great. I'll settle for Desantis, who seems like a guy who will govern like Trump without the ethical lapses. Doesn't let people dump all over him like Bush/McCain/Romney, but isn't a baby like Trump.

A striking image of the event shows both Cheneys on the front row of the Republican side of the nearly empty floor. Republicans have sought to downplay the severity of the attack that left many lawmakers fearing for their lives and having to flee for their safety. The GOP has in large part declined to participate in the day’s events.



Jim and scott and other keep making excuses

Mike Lindell says he'll be one of the opening acts at Trump's January 15 rally in Arizona, expects '60,000 people' to show up

can't wait

guess they never said any of it

a few more

A striking image of the event shows both Cheneys on the front row of the Republican side of the nearly empty floor. Republicans have sought to downplay the severity of the attack that left many lawmakers fearing for their lives and having to flee for their safety. The GOP has in large part declined to participate in the day’s events.



Jim and scott and other keep making excuses and keep your american flag attached to your house as if you know what it means :btu:

what excuse have i made? it was a riot, they didn’t kill
anyone, some of them
may have hoped they were going to undo the election, that was never going to happen.

you’re all worked up that’s one congresspeople
probably feared for their lives

yet in the riots of summer 2020, dozens of people actually lost their lives.

youre more concerned about people
who feared for their lives but walked away without a scratch, then you are with dozens of people who were actually killed.

i’d love to hear you justify that. you’re saying it’s worse when AOC fears for her life at the hands of conservatives but is unharmed, than it is when people are actually murdered by liberal rioters?

makes all
kinds of sense.
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a few more

you’re proving my point. you show republican senators who condemned the 1/6 riot, as i have done.

where are the similarly influential
democrats condemning the summer 2020 riots, which were far more violent and destructive by any rational measure?
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God, Jim's ignorance is profound today.

When authoritarians take over, everyone is shocked.

"Wait...those clowns?"

But the other side isn't working in secret. They're telling you exactly what they'll do.

They've promised -- and executed -- political violence.

And that was just the dress rehearsal for the next one
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God, Jim's ignorance is profound today.

post the most ignorant thing i’ve said, please, madam.

lobbing baseless insults is your way of conceding defeat.
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post the most ignorant thing i’ve said, please, madam.

lobbing baseless insults is your way of conceding defeat.
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We can start with your claim that Democrats did the same thing in 2016. During that certification a total of 7 electors were faithless. 5 (count 'em FIVE Jim) didn't pledge for HILLARY CLINTON when they should have. The other two were Red states that pledged to other Republican candidates.

The Dems didn't ask anyone to overthrow the election. Even if all 7 were for Trump it wouldn't have made any difference.

You are completely and verifiably wrong.

We can start with your claim that Democrats did the same thing in 2016. During that certification a total of 7 electors were faithless. 5 (count 'em FIVE Jim) didn't pledge for HILLARY CLINTON when they should have. The other two were Red states that pledged to other Republican candidates.

The Dems didn't ask anyone to overthrow the election. Even if all 7 were for Trump it wouldn't have made any difference.

You are completely and verifiably wrong.

After the 2016 election, the democrats did three separate things.

(1) they said Trump won because of Russian interference
(2) they asked electors to cast their votes for someone other than Trump
(3) a small number of democrats in congress formally objected to the electoral vote in multiple states.

They didn't use identical tactics that Trump did. But they (a small number of them) tried to get the electors to not vote for Trump, they tried to tell America that the election wasn't free and fair. At some high level, that's similar to what Trump did.

No two things are identical. There will always be some differences.

"The Dems didn't ask anyone to overthrow the election."

Demonstrably false. After the 2016 election, a small number of democrats in the house tried to do exactly that. It never had a chance of succeeding (neither did the republican efforts of 1/6), but that's precisely what they tried to do.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/no-trump-electoral-college-challenge-233294

In 2020, 174 house republicans voted to object to the results in PA and/or AZ.

Do the electoral math. Even if the house GOP switched the electoral votes for both PA and AZ to Trump, Trump still loses.

Your defense of the democrats actions in 2016, are based in part on the fact that they could not have changed the results. I'd love to hear you explain why that doesn't apply to what the house republicans did. They also were mathematically guaranteed to be short of overturning the election.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-biden-objectors.html


"Even if all 7 were for Trump it wouldn't have made any difference."

Even if the house republicans managed to convert PA and AZ electors to Trump, it wouldn't have made any difference. That's me, using your same exact logic.

Looks like Biden won 306 to 232. AZ has 11 electoral votes, PA has 20. Thats 31 electoral votes that the GOP questioned, and that's if you assume that all of them challenged both AZ and PA, which they didn't, some challenged one or the other. According to my math, what the house GOP did, could not possibly have changed the outcome. Best case for the GOP was Biden winning 275 to 263.

Long after the 2016 election, many many democrats referred to Trump as the "illegitimate president".

It's always OK whenever the left does anything.

You and Sean Hannity, separated at birth. Two thoughtless lemmings.

You are dismissing what the democrats did, because it had no chance of actually overturning the election. But you won't apply that logic to what the GOP did. You played favorites by party.

Destroyed by math.

What else ya got that I said, which was ignorant?

They didn't use identical tactics that Trump did. But they (a small number of them) tried to get the electors to not vote for Trump, they tried to tell America that the election wasn't free and fair. At some high level, that's similar to what Trump did.
The electors were supposed to be supporting Clinton and didn't. You have it backwards. Pay attention...as for Russia, they likely did heavily influence the election.

The Dems didn't ask anyone to overthrow the election. .

Here's one of many stories reporting on democrats, after the 2016 election, urging electors not to vote for Trump.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-electors-activist-campaign-electoral-college-232635

Spence, Trump won the election. So please tell me how urging electors to not vote for the winner, isn't asking them to overthrow the election?

The electors were supposed to be supporting Clinton and didn't. Pay attention...as for Russia, they likely did heavily influence the election.

You pay attention...I'm not talking about what the electors did...I'm talking about what democrats asked them to do.

What the electors did, and what democrats asked them to do, wwre two very different things.

Democrats did two separate and distinct things, in an effort to overturn the election. That their efforts ultimately failed, doesn't mean that's not what they were trying to do.

(1) they asked electors to not vote for the winner of the election (Trump). This necessarily means they were asking the electors to change the outcome of the election.

(2) house democrats challenged the election results in some states, in fact they challenged more states than the two states they GOP challenged in 2020.

From wikipedia...

"The faithless electors who opposed Donald Trump were part of a movement dubbed the Hamilton Electors co-founded by Micheal Baca of Colorado and Bret Chiafalo of Washington. The movement attempted to find 37 Republican electors willing to vote for a different Republican in an effort to deny Donald Trump a majority in the Electoral College and force a contingent election in the House of Representatives"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_2016_United_States_presi dential_election

Here's one of many stories reporting on democrats, after the 2016 election, urging electors not to vote for Trump.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-electors-activist-campaign-electoral-college-232635

Spence, Trump won the election. So please tell me how urging electors to not vote for the winner, isn't asking them to overthrow the election?
A single nobody anti-Trump activist does not mean that "the Democrats" are doing the same thing.

The next MAGA snake speaks who was a


Harvard-trained lawyer and officer who served as a prosecutor, defense attorney, international law attorney and a Judge Advocate General’s Corps Officer.

Seem he forgot his own past


Gov. Ron DeSantis on Thursday condemned the commemoration of the violent Jan. 6 Capitol riots as a way for Democrats and the news media to “smear” supporters of former President Donald Trump.

DeSantis, an ally of the former president who has refused to answer questions on whether he supports Trump’s baseless claims that the 2020 election was rigged,

From wikipedia...

"The faithless electors who opposed Donald Trump were part of a movement dubbed the Hamilton Electors co-founded by Micheal Baca of Colorado and Bret Chiafalo of Washington. The movement attempted to find 37 Republican electors willing to vote for a different Republican in an effort to deny Donald Trump a majority in the Electoral College and force a contingent election in the House of Representatives"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_2016_United_States_presi dential_election
Per your on wiki, they wanted to get a different Republican elected. My god…

After the 2016 election, the democrats did three separate things.

(1) they said Trump won because of Russian interference
(2) they asked electors to cast their votes for someone other than Trump
(3) a small number of democrats in congress formally objected to the electoral vote in multiple states.

They didn't use identical tactics that Trump did. But they (a small number of them) tried to get the electors to not vote for Trump, they tried to tell America that the election wasn't free and fair. At some high level, that's similar to what Trump did.

No two things are identical. There will always be some differences.

"The Dems didn't ask anyone to overthrow the election."

Demonstrably false. After the 2016 election, a small number of democrats in the house tried to do exactly that. It never had a chance of succeeding (neither did the republican efforts of 1/6), but that's precisely what they tried to do.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/no-trump-electoral-college-challenge-233294

In 2020, 174 house republicans voted to object to the results in PA and/or AZ.

Do the electoral math. Even if the house GOP switched the electoral votes for both PA and AZ to Trump, Trump still loses.

Your defense of the democrats actions in 2016, are based in part on the fact that they could not have changed the results. I'd love to hear you explain why that doesn't apply to what the house republicans did. They also were mathematically guaranteed to be short of overturning the election.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-biden-objectors.html


"Even if all 7 were for Trump it wouldn't have made any difference."

Even if the house republicans managed to convert PA and AZ electors to Trump, it wouldn't have made any difference. That's me, using your same exact logic.

Looks like Biden won 306 to 232. AZ has 11 electoral votes, PA has 20. Thats 31 electoral votes that the GOP questioned, and that's if you assume that all of them challenged both AZ and PA, which they didn't, some challenged one or the other. According to my math, what the house GOP did, could not possibly have changed the outcome. Best case for the GOP was Biden winning 275 to 263.

Long after the 2016 election, many many democrats referred to Trump as the "illegitimate president".

It's always OK whenever the left does anything.

You and Sean Hannity, separated at birth. Two thoughtless lemmings.

You are dismissing what the democrats did, because it had no chance of actually overturning the election. But you won't apply that logic to what the GOP did. You played favorites by party.

Destroyed by math.

What else ya got that I said, which was ignorant?

GOP officials in Maricopa County released a 93-page report rebutting point-by-point claims of election fraud championed by Trump and his allies.

Arizona's election audit was mostly financed by organizations tied to Mike Flynn, who urged Trump to use the military to stay in office. The who ran it huddled with Flynn and others at Lin Wood's house in Nov. 2020 to work on election-overturning efforts.

Remember Mike Flynn doesn't even know how to carve a Turkey, but he knows how to get 400K from Turkey.

Grifters the lot of them
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Odd how the guy who doesn’t really like Trump………
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A single nobody anti-Trump activist does not mean that "the Democrats" are doing the same thing.

dismissive of the democrats attempt to overturn the election.

we’re all shocked you took that position.

everything is ok when liberals do it!
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Per your on wiki, they wanted to get a different Republican elected. My god…

a different republican than the one who won the election. therefore, they wanted to overturn the election.

asking 2016 electors to vote for anyone other the. the person who won the state, is attempt to undo the election.

my god indeed.

you’re saying that attempting to install someone else, but who’s in the same party as the election winner, isn’t an attempt to overturn an election?

in what universe does that make sense?
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Per your on wiki, they wanted to get a different Republican elected. My god…

so if people want to install someone other than the winner of the election, simply because they happen to despise the winner of the election, that’s not necessarily “overturning the election”?

we’d all just love to hear you justify that.

using your logic…if the gop somehow prevented Biden from getting certified, and instead they convinced the electors to cast all their votes for Joe Manchin…. you would say that’s NOT overturning an election.

do you really expect any of us to believe, you really agree with this?

you’re making up stupid gibberish because (1) you lost the argument, and (2) you’re too small to admit it.


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:hihi:

so if people want to install someone other than the winner of the election, simply because they happen to despise the winner of the election, that’s not necessarily “overturning the election”?
One of the Clinton electors voted instead for a Native American against the Keystone pipeline.

They’re simple protest stunts Jim.

you’re making up stupid gibberish because (1) you lost the argument, and (2) you’re too small to admit it.
:jester:

One of the Clinton electors voted instead for a Native American against the Keystone pipeline.

They’re simple protest stunts Jim.


:jester:

please define “overturning an election”, if it’s not defined as installing someone other than who won.

if the fact that it was a futile effort means it wasn’t a big deal, then
neither was january 6. that also was a failed stunt that obviously never had any chance of succeeding.

Do you EVER stop trying to have it both ways?
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One of the Clinton electors voted instead for a Native American against the Keystone pipeline.

They’re simple protest stunts Jim.


:jester:

i proved mathematically, that the house republicans challenging results in PA and AZ couldnt shift enough electoral votes to help Trump win. Even if their challenge worked, Biden would still have won.

So if according to you, efforts which are doomed from the start are harmless stunts, why doesn’t that qualify as such?

answer - you only apply that logic to democrats.

destroyed.
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...as for Russia, they likely did heavily influence the election.



not they didn't......

:hihi:

"holding a dagger(lectern) to the throat of democracy"

guess they never said any of it

Wayne, everyone has said they were wrong, should not have entered the capitol, not sure how many times this has to be stated to make it between your ears...

but as with the people that went too far that day the democrats must go even farther in their attempt to make political capital out of this...today was a great example with ridiculous comparisons to 911 and Pearl Harbor and what...Gettysburg maybe? Pete channeling Stalin and Mao ...Complete stupidity.....sorry if we aren't following you down that insane path...


you guys are doing a great job demonstrating who has "authoritarian" tendencies...whether covid or Jan 6 or just about any issue, anything less that 100% agreement compliance makes someone an enemy of the state...that's pretty effed up

but as with the people that went too far that day the democrats must go even farther in their attempt to make political capital out of this...today was a great example with ridiculous comparisons to 911 and Pearl Harbor and what...Gettysburg maybe? Pete channeling Stalin and Mao ...Complete stupidity.....sorry if we aren't following you down that insane path...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu1dPHTwSxs

^^^^pretty much nails it....

The truest thing Trump ever said was that he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose any support. Even after the last two months of 2020, and the first week of 2021, I don't think anyone changed their mind. The breaking point? It will never come.
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Wayne, everyone has said they were wrong, should not have entered the capitol, not sure how many times this has to be stated to make it between your ears...

but as with the people that went too far that day the democrats must go even farther in their attempt to make political capital out of this...today was a great example with ridiculous comparisons to 911 and Pearl Harbor and what...Gettysburg maybe? Pete channeling Stalin and Mao ...Complete stupidity.....sorry if we aren't following you down that insane path...


you guys are doing a great job demonstrating who has "authoritarian" tendencies...whether covid or Jan 6 or just about any issue, anything less that 100% agreement compliance makes someone an enemy of the state...that's pretty effed up

Spoken like a true MAGA cult member who thinks it’s just about the foot soldiers.. and ignoring the leadership who provided the message and gave directions and are now running cover and trying the sweep the event under the rug.

The GOP pushed Benghazi probes for years. It’s already done with Jan. 6. It’s amazing how that works


So please keeping you head in the sand and keep
And Accusing the other side of that which you are guilty.

Next Trump will be praising this guy

Kazakhstan's authoritarian leader says he has ordered security forces to "fire without warning", amid a violent crackdown on anti-government protests.

He blamed foreign-trained "terrorists", without giving evidence.

Oh wait Trumps already supported both ideas during his Term

Trump’s “When the looting starts, the shooting starts”

Trump privately blamed 'Antifa people' for storming U.S. Capitol on Jan 6th
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Spoken like a true MAGA cult member


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just hilarious....:biglaugh:

i proved mathematically, that the house republicans challenging results in PA and AZ couldnt shift enough electoral votes to help Trump win. Even if their challenge worked, Biden would still have won.

So if according to you, efforts which are doomed from the start are harmless stunts, why doesn’t that qualify as such?

answer - you only apply that logic to democrats.

destroyed.
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So in Jim’s world the attempt only matters if it works. How do you argue with that logic?

So the Pennsylvanian and a Arizona legislature want to challenge and dismiss votes for Biden On the same ballot many were re elected or won .. again MAGA logic at its finest

But Jim’s or Scott don’t seemed to be bothered by the failure of Trump supporters and his administration to participate in the hearing refusing lawfully subpoena. Claiming privilege they don’t have, Hoping and praying that gop takes over the house and make it all go away ..

Why do you support them in this obstruction
if you agree with them that it was just a few yahoos as they have suggested

Seems like a. Lot of effort to keep a lid on 3 days in the Oval Office. Remember Trump was working and Americans have the right. To see that work
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So in Jim’s world the attempt only matters if it works. How do you argue with that logic?

So the Pennsylvanian and a Arizona legislature want to challenge and dismiss votes for Biden On the same ballot many were re elected or won .. again MAGA logic at its finest

But Jim’s or Scott don’t seemed to be bothered by the failure of Trump supporters and his administration to participate in the hearing refusing lawfully subpoena. Claiming privilege they don’t have, Hoping and praying that gop takes over the house and make it all go away ..

Why do you support them in this obstruction
if you agree with them that it was just a few yahoos as they have suggested

Seems like a. Lot of effort to keep a lid on 3 days in the Oval Office. Remember Trump was working and Americans have the right. To see that work
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as always, you got it 100% wrong. i dont think outcome matters at all, I think intent is what matters.

SPENCE, not me, said that if it doesn’t ultimately succeed, it’s no big deal.

How did you miss that? Can’t you read at all? seriously, did you read anything i said?

If you figure out what I’m saying first before you respond, you’ll humiliate yourself a lot less often.

Spence said that because why the democrats did had no chance of succeeding, therefore it was just a harmless stunt.

But he won’t apply that same logic to what the republicans did.


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a

officer kim potter is facing 15 years for an honest mistake in a deadly situation created by a criminal
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So her intent should be taken into account as it was an honest mistake (I agree it was a mistake) and her intent was not to shoot the kid. So intent matters (which I agree with).

But somehow it doesn't matter when 7 electors didn't vote for whom they were supposed to vote for bc intent doesn't matter in this instance. Got it.

as always, you got it 100% wrong. i dont think outcome matters at all, I think intent is what matters.

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And yet the intent of the 7 electors was not to overthrow the election but the intent of the 227 electors this past election cycle was clearly to prevent the confirmation of the person who was elected by the people from being sworn in as Pres.

Hmmm, I wander what insult you would have added to the end of that statement if it was you posting that?

Jim, you’re really clueless or just being a stupid punk.

And yet the intent of the 7 electors was not to overthrow the election but the intent of the 227 electors this past election cycle was clearly to prevent the confirmation of the person who was elected by the people from being sworn in as Pres.

Hmmm, I wander what insult you would have added to the end of that statement if it was you posting that?

the house republicans only challenged AZ and PA. even if they succeeded, that would not switch enough electoral votes for biden to have won.

so since spence says efforts that are doomed to failure are harmless stunts, by what logic was that not a harmless stunt?
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Jim, you’re really clueless or just being a stupid punk.

you’re the one who said failed attempts are harmless. it’s not my fault if you didn’t expect me to ask why you don’t apply that standard to the gop.

you also said that it’s not an attempt overturn an election if they try to install someone in the victors party. i’m sorry if you weren’t expecting us to all laugh at that. if you had any credibility left, you lost it with this partisan nonsense.

everything is good when liberals do it, everything is bad when republicans do it.

baseless insults from you, as i said, are usually a sign that you lost but can’t admit it.

i don’t like when anyone, of either party, tries to go against the results of an election. but let’s hold both parties to the same
consistent standard when they each do it. you can’t do that. i can.

you’d spontaneously menstruate if you tried to say anything critical about any democrat, anywhere, ever.
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I guess the intent of the rioters on 1/6 wasn't to prevent a peaceful transition of power and their being there on that day was random.

And yet the intent of the 7 electors was not to overthrow the election but the intent of the 227 electors this past election cycle was clearly to prevent the confirmation of the person who was elected by the people from being sworn in as Pres.

Hmmm, I wander what insult you would have added to the end of that statement if it was you posting that?

the guy who said very recently that republicans are all idiots who are screwing the country, is suddenly clutching his pearls because i posted an insult?

for the 100th time, who announced that you can lob insults, but no one was can?
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the house republicans only challenged AZ and PA. even if they succeeded, that would not switch enough electoral votes for biden to have won.

so since spence says efforts that are doomed to failure are harmless stunts, by what logic was that not a harmless stunt?
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I wonder what the intent of the the Eastman memo was.

John C. Eastman tried to convince then-Vice President Mike Pence that he could overturn the election results on January 6, 2021 (when Congress counted the Electoral College votes) by throwing out electors from seven states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Washington, D.C.) because they allegedly had competing electors although, in fact, no state had actually put forward an alternate slate of electors. Under Eastman's scheme, Pence would have declared Trump the winner with more Electoral College votes after the seven states were thrown out, at 232 votes to 222.

the guy who said very recently that republicans are all idiots who are screwing the country, is suddenly clutching his pearls because i posted an insult?

for the 100th time, who announced that you can lob insults, but no one was can?
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Wasn't my statement in response to John calling the people on 1/6 idiots. But think whatever you want as you're just angry bc I showed you what a hypocrite you are.

Wasn't my statement in response to John calling the people on 1/6 idiots. But think whatever you want as you're just angry bc I showed you what a hypocrite you are.

you said republicans were a bunch of idiots and that because of them, the country was screwed. is that not meant to be an insult?
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I wonder what the intent of the the Eastman memo was.

John C. Eastman tried to convince then-Vice President Mike Pence that he could overturn the election results on January 6, 2021 (when Congress counted the Electoral College votes) by throwing out electors from seven states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Washington, D.C.) because they allegedly had competing electors although, in fact, no state had actually put forward an alternate slate of electors. Under Eastman's scheme, Pence would have declared Trump the winner with more Electoral College votes after the seven states were thrown out, at 232 votes to 222.

His intent was to overturn the results of a free election, and whoever Eastman is, he should be held accountable for that.

fair enough?

Paul, i’ve shown here a million times that i have exactly zero problem calling out republicans when they behave badly, which happens all the time.

i also don’t want trump to run again. too sleazy.

i think you’re all so used to
ignoring it when your own side misbehaves, that you assume everyone else ignores it. I dont.
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The truest thing Trump ever said was that he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose any support. Even after the last two months of 2020, and the first week of 2021, I don't think anyone changed their mind. The breaking point? It will never come.
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Another one of your "close enough" slippery tricks. What Trump said was obvious hyperbole and obviously not true. If he unjustly shot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue, he would certainly lose support. And he would certainly be charged by eager DA's and publicly scorned not only by CNN but Fox as well. And by most, probably all, Republican politicians.

And Trump has said many things that are true. Which, of course, you would somehow discount as not being actually true, or mostly not true, but some sneaky, ego driven dribble that accidentally had some remote connection to some weak and not to be trusted, politically driven but truthful appearing spin. Sort of like a lot of the stuff you say.

For you, Trump is simply, and completely, a liar. But when he says something that is blatantly false, and actually hyperbolic "spin," and you can use it to make some damning accusation about him or his supporters, you jump all over it as the truest thing he ever said. Of course, that is consistent. Since for you, he being purely a liar, you're actually confirming your bias by sarcastically calling something that is not true the truest thing he ever said.

Your phony spin attempts to be a perfect rhetorical trick which closely elides, seemingly close enough, Trump's hyperbole with what you perceive to be a loyalty to Trump no matter how depraved, even to the point of flagrant, shameless murder, his actions may be.

This ranks right up there with some of the slimiest things you ever said.

His intent was to overturn the results of a free election, and whoever Eastman is, he should be held accountable for that.

fair enough?

Paul, i’ve shown here a million times that i have exactly zero problem calling out republicans when they behave badly, which happens all the time.But the eastman memo showed the Trump legal team was trying to overthrow the election and the vast majority of R congressman seemed to support it. over 60% of R refuse to believe Biden was fairly elected. Trying to overturn (or prevent the Pres. confirmation) a Presidential election is much more important to me than a disagreement about policy or taxes. It is the heart of our country. He wasn't just some guy writing a memo. It was shared amongst the highests R in the country - from Trump on down.

i also don’t want trump to run again. too sleazy.

i think you’re all so used to
ignoring it when your own side misbehaves, that you assume everyone else ignores it. I dont.I don't, I cringe when I see/hear some things.
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NM

you said republicans were a bunch of idiots and that because of them, the country was screwed. is that not meant to be an insult?
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John first said we're screwed bf I said it. I expanded on who he thought were idiots.

His intent was to overturn the results of a free election, and whoever Eastman is, he should be held accountable for that.

fair enough?

Paul, i’ve shown here a million times that i have exactly zero problem calling out republicans when they behave badly, which happens all the time.

i also don’t want trump to run again. too sleazy.

i think you’re all so used to
ignoring it when your own side misbehaves, that you assume everyone else ignores it. I dont.
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How about the rest of the Trumplicans in the House and Senate who aided and abetted the Trump administration in their efforts to throw out the results of the election after they had exhausted all legal remedies because they didn't like the results.
You can listen to Peter Navarro explain just how the coup was supposed to work.

The Constitution only works if you respect it, otherwise it's just another piece of paper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPDSWK8d_tI

His intent was to overturn the results of a free election, and whoever Eastman is, he should be held accountable for that.

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was any of this by this eastman fellow illegal?....surely if it was that Legal Tiger that now runs the justice department and thankfully is not on the supreme court, will be pursuing them with abandon....

otherwise, sounds like political maneuvering...

not like the democraps don't try every trick in the book at every opportunity...I could name a couple currently going on...

suddenly clutching his pearls because i posted an insult?

for the 100th time, who announced that you can lob insults, but no one was can?

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lot's of insults from the party of love...be gentle though, the much hyped Jan 6th anniversary celebration and fundraising drive was a big flop, probably backfired and made more people angry with them than with trump which was the exact opposite of the intended effect...so they are probably a bit frustrated right now...

NM

"But the eastman memo showed the Trump legal team was trying to overthrow the election"

I never, ever said Trump wasn't trying to overturn the election, obviously he was. Thankfully, he failed.

What I said, and I'll say it again because it's true, is that it would be nice if you guys could hold the left to the same standard.

"over 60% of R refuse to believe Biden was fairly elected"

And that's embarrassing and stupid.

But it's equally stupid that dems think Trump won because of Russian collusion, that Hilary lost because of sexism, that Republicans are racist and only care about the wealthy, that the morons in the capital ever had a plan to overturn the election, that pro life people hate women, etc. I can go all day with demonstrably false BS that's generally (not universally) accepted on the left

People are mostly sheep who believe what they are told.

"I cringe when I see/hear some things."

That's true, you do, and Rockhound to some extent. Not the others. Never.

I'd love to get away from attacks (which obviously I contribute to, and shouldn't) and fear mongering, and talk about the pros and cons of actual policy, that's what's interesting to me, that's how you learn.

lot's of insults from the party of love...be gentle though, the much hyped Jan 6th anniversary celebration and fundraising drive was a big flop, probably backfired and made more people angry with them than with trump which was the exact opposite of the intended effect...so they are probably a bit frustrated right now...

for Harris and Biden to equate 1/6 with Pearl Harbor and 9/11 is beyond preposterous. But when you have very little you can point to in terms of popular policy results, all you have left is to generate hatred against your opponents. Which is what they do in the media, 24/7.

Some group did a study of MSNBC and CNN, they still mention Trump more frequently than they mention Biden. That's staggering, a year later.

Still waiting for that cancer cure.

You can listen to Peter Navarro explain just how the coup was supposed to work.

The Constitution only works if you respect it, otherwise it's just another piece of paper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPDSWK8d_tI

No, you're doing your verbal tricks again. Navarro tried to explain how the "plan" not the "coup" was meant to work. And he pointed out how it was according to constitutional principles.

The MSNBC guy never rebutted the constitutionality of the plan. He said the SCOTUS rejected it. But it was not accepted by SCOTUS because of process not because of legal merit. Three of the Justices did want to hear the case. The Court majority ruled that it was a matter to be decided at state levels. Which, per the Constitution, is what Navarro's plan would have done. But, ironically, the Jan6 riot stopped the cert. hearings just before Cruz, et. al. were about to implement it, and so that effort was scuttled by stopping the proceedings for safety, and when they resumed, certification was without further delay verified, and so then the plan was made mute.

How about the rest of the Trumplicans in the House and Senate who aided and abetted the Trump administration in their efforts to throw out the results of the election after they had exhausted all legal remedies because they didn't like the results.
You can listen to Peter Navarro explain just how the coup was supposed to work.

The Constitution only works if you respect it, otherwise it's just another piece of paper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPDSWK8d_tI

I think the congressional republicans are exactly as guilty, as the democrats in 2016 who urged electors to not vote for the candidate who won, and exactly as guilty as the congressional democrats in 2016 who voted to challenge the election results in more states than the GOP challenged in 2020.

In all those cases, the losing party acted like spoiled brats and were willing to undermine the constitution rather than graciously accept defeat.

I don't care if we ignore it, talk about it,. arrest them, or execute them. But let's apply the same standard to everyone who refuses to accept election results. You all only care when Republicans do it.

No, you're doing your verbal tricks again. Navarro tried to explain how the "plan" not the "coup" was meant to work. And he pointed out how it was according to constitutional principles.

The MSNBC guy never rebutted the constitutionality of the plan. He said the SCOTUS rejected it. But it was not accepted by SCOTUS because of process not because of legal merit. Three of the Justices did want to hear the case. The Court majority ruled that it was a matter to be decided at state levels. Which, per the Constitution, is what Navarro's plan would have done. But, ironically, the Jan6 riot stopped the cert. hearings just before Cruz, et. al. were about to implement it, and so that effort was scuttled by stopping the proceedings for safety, and when they resumed, certification was without further delay verified, and so then the plan was made mute.

So your theory is that instead of following the constitution and going thru the courts presenting valid evidence (which they did not) you just wait and then do a run around.
Show one case that was decided in Trump's favor.
Show one State that found significant errors in the election, before or after.
Or is it as Navarro claimed "George Soros and Never trumpers did it"
There was no valid way for the Vice President to do other than he did, no "maybe this is his duty" in that area of the Constitution.

You would have been ecstatic if this was the speech yesterday.

President Trump, His Elective Highness Eternal: "Greetings to my loyal and faithful patriotic Americans. Tonight we celebrate our victory one year ago. One year ago today we established once and for all that America is OUR country. It belongs to US. They can never it take away from us. They tried, but we stopped them. What happened a year ago has been misunderstood. THEY say you aren't PATRIOTS, but are a "mob" or "insurrectionists." They'll never admit that THEY tried to STEAL the election. They rigged it. There is no way that we lost. Look at us. We're strong. We're patriots. We're the real America. They are weak. Corrupt. They cheat. First they tried to steal the election, then when we caught them, they tried to use the process & courts against us. Then when we beat them there, they planned to make it look like we had a riot on the Capitol. But we didn't. We love our country. We would never break the law. And we won the election. And we won the court cases. And we won on January 6th. And we always win because we're the best. And the best are the winners. We've fixed it so that they won't be able to cheat us out of an election ever again. They won't cheat us. They can't now. When I was inaugurated on January 20, 2021 I swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. And I will. Forever. I made them change it so that the dirty Democrats can't cheat us out of our election victories anymore. No, they won't. They can't now. As your forever president I declare that patriots only can run for office. Only patriots--the best Americans who really, really love our country--can be leaders. And that just makes sense. Doesn't it? Don't we want the best of America to lead America? We do and I made sure the best will lead. I'm the greatest president this country has ever seen. And you are the greatest people. Look at all the good we've done together. They won't admit it, but the Trump presidency is a great presidency. We strengthened the US, now no one will mess with us. We have the most amazing economy. We are the only ones who figured out how to handle the hoax pandemic. Total success. Total. I was so good at making America great again that they had to cheat to get me out of office. The lying cheaters! They want America to fail, but we kept America great. They keep attacking me because I see how corrupt they are. I see the hypocrisy and conspiracy. But, it's not really me that they're after. I'm just in the way of them getting to you. I'm the only thing standing in the way. I'm the only one that stops them from giving away your country. And, believe me, they want to give your country away. They were already doing it. And they would be doing it now if we hadn't fought like hell to keep it. We had to fight. That's what January 6th, 2021 was about. It was about us standing up to them. The cheaters. The election stealers. We stood up to them and said "no, you're not taking our country away. N-O." And they don't like that and they call it a "coup." It wasn't a coup. How could it be? This is our country. You can't coup your own country. But they want you to believe that you did something wrong. You did something right. You are the patriots. You are the real Americans. They are the cheaters and liars. I won't let them lie about us anymore. Today, as your president, His Elective Highness Eternal, I proclaim and decree that only PATRIOTS can run for office or run elections in this land of the free. And January 6th will forever be remembered as the day we kept our country. It is keep America great day. Thank you.

I think the congressional republicans are exactly as guilty, as the democrats in 2016 who urged electors to not vote for the candidate who won, and exactly as guilty as the congressional democrats in 2016 who voted to challenge the election results in more states than the GOP challenged in 2020.

In all those cases, the losing party acted like spoiled brats and were willing to undermine the constitution rather than graciously accept defeat.

I don't care if we ignore it, talk about it,. arrest them, or execute them. But let's apply the same standard to everyone who refuses to accept election results. You all only care when Republicans do it.

None of them had a plan to get the Vice President to ignore his constitutional duties, nor did they abdicate their own duties.
If you look at the 2016 election, Never Trumpers were a significant force in pressuring electors to not vote for Trump.
Many of the reasons for doing so have since proven to be valid.

There is no valid whatabout.

None of them had a plan to get the Vice President to ignore his constitutional duties, nor did they abdicate their own duties.
If you look at the 2016 election, Never Trumpers were a significant force in pressuring electors to not vote for Trump.
Many of the reasons for doing so have since proven to be valid.

There is no valid whatabout.

Ok. So this is what you're saying...

If you lose a presidential election, it's OK with you to try and overturn the results using any method possible, other than getting the VP to do it.

So according to you, if you lose an election...

it's OK if you pressure the electors to not cast their votes for the winner, for no reason other than you hate the guy who won fair and square.

it's OK if your congressmen challenge the results in states, for no reason other, than you hate the guy who won fair and square.

But, if you pressure your VP to forego his duties in order to overturn an election, THEN it's bad.

All other ways to overturn an election for no good reason (other than you lost and can't accept it) are acceptable to you, except the method Trump selected.

Do you seriously expect any sane person to buy that, Pete?

you just wait and then do a run around.


Was what you refer to as a "run around" unconstitutional? Did you read the plan?

for Harris and Biden to equate 1/6 with Pearl Harbor and 9/11 is beyond preposterous. But when you have very little you can point to in terms of popular policy results, all you have left is to generate hatred against your opponents. Which is what they do in the media, 24/7.

Some group did a study of MSNBC and CNN, they still mention Trump more frequently than they mention Biden. That's staggering, a year later.

Still waiting for that cancer cure.

your the cancer its called denial just saying and the king of hatred and blowing trump at every Turn mentioning his lowest black unemployment .. but have the audacity to say very little you can point to in terms of popular policy thats funny you live in your own echo chamber .. its amazing but it explains and gives insight to those who Love Trump and are willing to vote from Him again .. insisting they also love america and its institutions:kewl:


when will you understand pearl harbor was bad 9\11 were bad but you cry about the comparison .. but your only word on the incident is whats the big deal ??:faga:

However those examples they were not committed by fellow Americans led by the former POTUS aka Trump and other leaders in his sphere of influence with lies of a stole or rigged election ... which they still insist is what actually happened .. :wall:

as always, you got it 100% wrong. i dont think outcome matters at all, I think intent is what matters.

SPENCE, not me, said that if it doesn’t ultimately succeed, it’s no big deal.

How did you miss that? Can’t you read at all? seriously, did you read anything i said?

If you figure out what I’m saying first before you respond, you’ll humiliate yourself a lot less often.

Spence said that because why the democrats did had no chance of succeeding, therefore it was just a harmless stunt.

or
But he won’t apply that same logic to what the republicans did.


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so if people want to install someone other than the winner of the election, simply because they happen to despise the winner of the election, that’s not necessarily “overturning the election”?

I never, ever said Trump wasn't trying to overturn the election, obviously he was. Thankfully, he failed.


I can't fight that kind of logic so which is it because clearly you are the least upset about Trump's attempt to steal the election and event of Jan6th

Yet you said you would vote for him again:huh: