the house republicans only challenged AZ and PA. even if they succeeded, that would not switch enough electoral votes for biden to have won.

so since spence says efforts that are doomed to failure are harmless stunts, by what logic was that not a harmless stunt?
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SO ITS OK

Was what you refer to as a "run around" unconstitutional? Did you read the plan?

Yea I did
It called for Pence to do other than his responsibility as outlined in the Constitution
There’s a reason that when he asked Republicans who he luckily respected, that he decided to follow their recommendations and do his duties.
Trump would have gleefully celebrated Pences murder
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Ok. So this is what you're saying...

If you lose a presidential election, it's OK with you to try and overturn the results using any method possible, other than getting the VP to do it.

So according to you, if you lose an election...

it's OK if you pressure the electors to not cast their votes for the winner, for no reason other than you hate the guy who won fair and square.

it's OK if your congressmen challenge the results in states, for no reason other, than you hate the guy who won fair and square.

But, if you pressure your VP to forego his duties in order to overturn an election, THEN it's bad.

All other ways to overturn an election for no good reason (other than you lost and can't accept it) are acceptable to you, except the method Trump selected.

Do you seriously expect any sane person to buy that, Pete?

You’re the master of obfuscation and certainly qualify as a person who doesn’t really support Trump 🤦
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SO ITS OK

i said just up the page, that’s it’s not ok. but it’s similar to what the dems did.

so whatever you think about the gop trying to overturn an election because they’re sore losers, you should think the same about democrats who try to overturn an election because they’re sore losers.

i don’t know how to say it any simpler, but you have no grasp of what anyone is saying here. i sincerely hope
you’re just messing with me.

look at my post from 12:57 pm
today, where i said all of them acted like spoiled brats who were willing to undermine the constitution.

you claim, that means i’m ok with it. you can’t comprehend that “spoiled brats who want to undermine the constitution” is a criticism.


you have no ability to comprehend words. are you drunk?
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so we have spence saying it’s not “overturning an election” if they try to install someone other than the winner from the same party as the winner.

wayne says that describing someone’s actions as “acting like a spoiled brat who is willing to undermine the constitution” is actually an endorsement of what they did, not a criticism of what they did.

and pete says it’s ok to make
multiple attempts to overturn an election, as long as you don’t involve the vice president. only if the VP is part of the plan, is it a bad plan.

whew.
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they are clearly suffering from post traumatic trump disorder....

Yea I did
It called for Pence to do other than his responsibility as outlined in the Constitution
There’s a reason that when he asked Republicans who he luckily respected, that he decided to follow their recommendations and do his duties.


I asked if Navarro's plan was unconstitutional. You implied that it wasn't following the Constitution. Theoretically, if one senator and one representative object to a slate of electors, the Senate and House will vote separately on whether to discard them. It would not be unconstitutional for a senator and a representative to make such an objection. But it would have to be done before certification. This has already happened in the past. But the VP can overrule the objection.

Navarro's plan had no chance of succeeding unless it actually could have somehow created enough national attention and desire for investigations into the objected elections. But, according to Navarro, the Jan6 riots took away the opportunity to make the objections before certification took place.

I don't see how it was unconstitutional or a "coup" or a threat to "our democracy."

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Keep spreading the big lie

i said just up the page, that’s it’s not ok. but it’s similar to what the dems did.

so whatever you think about the gop trying to overturn an election because they’re sore losers, you should think the same about democrats who try to overturn an election because they’re sore losers.

i don’t know how to say it any simpler, but you have no grasp of what anyone is saying here. i sincerely hope
you’re just messing with me.

look at my post from 12:57 pm
today, where i said all of them acted like spoiled brats who were willing to undermine the constitution.

you claim, that means i’m ok with it. you can’t comprehend that “spoiled brats who want to undermine the constitution” is a criticism.


you have no ability to comprehend words. are you drunk?
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I am not one who’s said they would vote for trump again

That says alot

Ted Cruz's foot, meet Ted Cruz's mouth.

After a Thursday appearance on Fox's Tucker Carlson Tonight in which Cruz, a Republican senator from Texas, apologized for his "frankly dumb" mistake of calling the Jan. 6 riot a "violent terrorist attack,"

Cruz's use of "terrorist attack" was not some sort of one-time accident. In fact, he had described the Capitol riot as a terrorist attack or broadly described rioters as terrorists over and over for months -- at least 17 previous times in official written statements, in tweets, in remarks at Senate hearings and in interviews.



Just another non principled Republican. Shocking

Ted Cruz's foot, meet Ted Cruz's mouth.

After a Thursday appearance on Fox's Tucker Carlson Tonight in which Cruz, a Republican senator from Texas, apologized for his "frankly dumb" mistake of calling the Jan. 6 riot a "violent terrorist attack,"

Cruz's use of "terrorist attack" was not some sort of one-time accident. In fact, he had described the Capitol riot as a terrorist attack or broadly described rioters as terrorists over and over for months -- at least 17 previous times in official written statements, in tweets, in remarks at Senate hearings and in interviews.



Just another non principled Republican. Shocking

The humiliation is all the greater because Cruz was right in the first place: the people who attacked the Capitol really were terrorists.

But for telling the truth Comrade Cruz has to abase himself before Commissar Tucker.

Ted Cruz's latest political embarrassment is an illustration of the party at large. He did it in a very suck-upy kind of way with Tucker Carlson... The illustration that he provides is of 100s of Republican lawmakers.
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like kittens on a laser pointer.....

Peter Navarro wants you to know they only intended to overthrow the government peacefully

That changes everything he said PEACEFULLY

the people who attacked the Capitol really were terrorists.

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I suspect they will all be charged with terrorism then.....:rolleyes:

I suspect they will all be charged with terrorism then.....:rolleyes:

Nah, trespassing is as equal of a crime as terrorism, and sooooooo much easier to prosecute. That why they’re being charged with that.
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Peter Navarro wants you to know they only intended to overthrow the government peacefully

That changes everything he said PEACEFULLY

He said he wanted to overthrow the Trump Administration? Geez, I didn't know he said that. Thanks for the info.

He said he wanted to overthrow the Trump Administration? Geez, I didn't know he said that. Thanks for the info.




The end goal of the scheme was to keep Trump in office by pressuring Vice President Mike Pence to block the certification of the Electoral College votes

The strategy, named after the football play famously used by Vince Lombardi's Green Bay Packers, involved more than 100 congressmen and senators, including Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona and Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas. The pair were the first to challenge election results in the swing state of Arizona.

he coordinated with former chief White House strategist Stephen K. Bannon was "within the boundaries" of the U.S. Constitution and will ultimately clear Trump's name.


But your good with that …. Funny what you choose to be seen as threats to the constitution

Trump’s Cable Cabinet: New texts reveal the influence of Fox hosts on previous White House


There were times the president would come down the next morning and say, ‘Well, Sean thinks we should do this,’ or, ‘Judge Jeanine thinks we should do this,


No kidding everyone knew that was happening
but Trumps cult said that was fake news

The end goal of the scheme was to keep Trump in office by pressuring Vice President Mike Pence to block the certification of the Electoral College votes

The strategy, named after the football play famously used by Vince Lombardi's Green Bay Packers, involved more than 100 congressmen and senators, including Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona and Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas. The pair were the first to challenge election results in the swing state of Arizona.

he coordinated with former chief White House strategist Stephen K. Bannon was "within the boundaries" of the U.S. Constitution and will ultimately clear Trump's name.


But your good with that …. Funny what you choose to be seen as threats to the constitution

Navarro did not want us to know that "they only intended to overthrow the government" as you claimed. But you're apparently good with lying about it and making a false accusation. And I don't see how working within the bounds of the Constitution is a threat to it.

Meanwhile, as to whom the real insurrectionists and threats to democracy are, there's this by VDH":

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/victor-davis-hanson-who-are-the-real-insurrectionists/ar-AAStIOv?ocid=msedgntp

Nah, you can’t believe anything you read in such a right-wing, fascist news site as……..oh, wait a minute
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Navarro did not want us to know that "they only intended to overthrow the government" as you claimed. But you're apparently good with lying about it and making a false accusation. And I don't see how working within the bounds of the Constitution is a threat to it.

Meanwhile, as to whom the real insurrectionists and threats to democracy are, there's this by VDH":

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/victor-davis-hanson-who-are-the-real-insurrectionists/ar-AAStIOv?ocid=msedgntp

What do I post that was a lie ?

Keep spinning your wheels that nothing happened


the tragedy of Jan. 6 is not just the assault of that day and the lies that produced it, but what it signals for days to come. As our first president warned when explaining his intention to relinquish the office, “cunning, ambitious and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the Power of the People, and to usurp for themselves the reins of Government; destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”
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What do I post that was a lie ?

You claimed that Navarro wanted to let us to know that "they [Navarro et. al.] only intended to overthrow the government". That is not at all what Navarro wanted to let us know. He wanted to let us know about their plan that could help us know about an attempt (not by Navarro et. al.) to overthrow the government. The government, at the time, was headed by the Trump Administration which was legally, constitutionally, in power until Jan. 21. Their plan was not to overthrow the Trump Administration, but to protect the U.S. government from being illegally subverted, thus "overthrown" by substantial voting fraud. He absolutely believed there was such fraud and thought that he had proof of that fraud.

Keep spinning your wheels that nothing happened

I explained what happened. You lied about it.

the tragedy of Jan. 6 is not just the assault of that day and the lies that produced it, but what it signals for days to come. As our first president warned when explaining his intention to relinquish the office, “cunning, ambitious and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the Power of the People, and to usurp for themselves the reins of Government; destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”
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I am very familiar with that quote by Washington. I've used it in the past. And I firmly believe that it forewarned of what various men have tried to do, and most successfully so by the Progressives who thought the constitutional system, the "very engines" that Washington helped to bring about, were an impediment to the unlimited system of administrative government they have to a great extent established--just a few more judges and a few more elections away from finishing the job.

Trump, as flawed as he is, was a temporary setback to their vision of how this country should be governed. Which is why even the Progressive lite "Conservatives" who were being exposed by him wanted him gone as much as the Dems did. Even Pete F, who nods toward the Constitution occasionally, and quotes some Founders every now and then, actually wants the growth of central ruling power which is anathema to the limitation by which the Constitution shackles government and to the separation of powers it provides.

As well, the various unconstitutional administrative agencies that are beneficiaries of the growing centralized power, especially including the security agencies, also wanted Trump gone as he was the greatest threat to them since Reagan and especially so since Kennedy who was a direct threat to the CIA before he was assassinated.

As well, the removal of Trump and maintenance of the growing central government power was preferred by most of the crony capital corporations who benefit by cooperation with, and even capture of, the administrative state and the thousands upon thousands of regulations it imposes on commerce that help eliminate smaller businesses to the advantage of large ones, which then progressively get larger by internal growth and the merging into centralized corporations. This includes most media corps.

As well, anti-Trumpism was promoted by an academia that once had been comprised of and run by those steeped in fields of knowledge who had a fervor for teaching their learning to students who hungered for it, but now had grown into corporate like organizations whose mission is more the gaining of money than the imparting of knowledge. And is run and guided by "administrators" who are expert, not in fields of academic knowledge, but in recruiting and finding financial resources which include continuous funding by government whose subsidization of tuition creates artificially high demand for college degrees which is an excuse for raising tuition prices. Which pours more money into the coffers of administrative academe and solidifies its symbiotic relationship with government and guaranties its compliance with government demands regarding the what, who, and how to educate, including the various norms that government wants to be indoctrinated.

So now even the original Progressive notion of government being basically unchained and with the unlimited power to do whatever it decides will be its version of benefit for the people is being corrupted into the fascistic centralized corporate State.

And people wonder why, in spite of all the really good sounding rhetoric of Progressive politicians, the "income gap" continuously expands and the number of small businesses keeps shrinking.

Imagine having a president who took 𝘑𝘦𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘦 𝘗𝘪𝘳𝘳𝘰 seriously.

“There were times the president would come down the next morning and say … ‘Judge Jeanine thinks we should do this.’”
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Imagine having a president who took 𝘑𝘦𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘦 𝘗𝘪𝘳𝘳𝘰 seriously.

“There were times the president would come down the next morning and say … ‘Judge Jeanine thinks we should do this.’”
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Another little meaningless funny by Progressive Big Government Pete.

Steve Bannon: “But the oligarchs’ day is coming. Remember, we’re going to turn all the social media companies into public utilities — public utilities, and get like a 7% return … and the public has to have a voice in the control of it.”

He’s a nationalist *and* a socialist.

National. Socialism. That has a certain ring to it but I can't put my finger on it...
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I am very familiar with that quote by Washington. I've used it in the past. And I firmly believe that it forewarned of what various men have tried to do, and most successfully so by the Progressives who thought the constitutional system, the "very engines" that Washington helped to bring about, were an impediment to the unlimited system of administrative government they have to a great extent established--just a few more judges and a few more elections away from finishing the job.

Trump, as flawed as he is, was a temporary setback to their vision of how this country should be governed. Which is why even the Progressive lite "Conservatives" who were being exposed by him wanted him gone as much as the Dems did. Even Pete F, who nods toward the Constitution occasionally, and quotes some Founders every now and then, actually wants the growth of central ruling power which is anathema to the limitation by which the Constitution shackles government and to the separation of powers it provides.

As well, the various unconstitutional administrative agencies that are beneficiaries of the growing centralized power, especially including the security agencies, also wanted Trump gone as he was the greatest threat to them since Reagan.

As well, the removal of Trump and maintenance of the growing central government power was preferred by most of the crony capital corporations who benefit by cooperation with, and even capture of, the administrative state and the thousands upon thousands of regulations it imposes on commerce that help eliminate smaller businesses to the advantage of large ones, which then progressively get larger by internal growth and the merging into centralized corporations. This includes most media corps.

As well, anti-Trumpism was promoted by an academia that once had been comprised of and run by those steeped in fields of knowledge who had a fervor for teaching their learning to students who hungered for it, but now had grown into corporate like organizations whose mission is more the gaining of money than the imparting of knowledge. And is run and guided by "administrators" who are expert, not in fields of academic knowledge, but in recruiting and finding financial resources which include continuous funding by government whose subsidization of tuition creates artificially high demand for college degrees which is an excuse for raising tuition prices. Which pours more money into the coffers of administrative academe and solidifies its symbiotic relationship with government and guaranties its compliance with government demands regarding the what, who, and how to educate, including the various norms that government wants to be indoctrinated.

So now even the original Progressive notion of government being basically unchained and with the unlimited power to do whatever it decides will be its version of benefit for the people is being corrupted into the fascistic centralized corporate State.

And people wonder why, in spite of all the really good sounding rhetoric of Progressive politicians, the "income gap" continuously expands and the number of small businesses keeps shrinking.

Trumpism was promoted by an academia


And there it is in a nutshell
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Trumpism was promoted by an academia


And there it is in a nutshell


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this is gold....

this is gold....

no arguing with that.
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this is gold....

you’re making a false equivalence between his original
post, and your exact quote of it. false equivalence.
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you’re making a false equivalence between his original
post, and your exact quote of it. false equivalence.
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Maybe wdmso found a needle in a haystack.

Then last fall, the University of Virginia Center for Politics released a poll finding that a majority of people who had voted to reelect former President Donald Trump in 2020 now wanted their state to secede from the Union.

here is more gold for Ya..

I guess this was also promoted and caused by academia

you guys are running out of people to Blame for Trump Behavior and his attacks on our democracy...:kewl:

watch out for Mirrors! you may actual see someone from that Poll :kewl:

Steve Bannon: “But the oligarchs’ day is coming. Remember, we’re going to turn all the social media companies into public utilities — public utilities, and get like a 7% return … and the public has to have a voice in the control of it.”

He’s a nationalist *and* a socialist.

National. Socialism. That has a certain ring to it but I can't put my finger on it...
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Progressive Big Government Pete playing his signature deceptive verbal tricks. Here he implies that public utilities are socialist. In other circumstances he claims we are not a socialist country . . .yet we have public utilities.

And he has claimed that Nazis, especially American ones, are right wing groups--his version of "conservatives." Yet here he is able to morph his notion of right wing conservatism (Nazis) into left wing socialism,

So, at will, he can either call Nazis socialists or conservatives, or he can contradict his own notions that we are not a socialist country. Or go the other way if and when it is necessary.

He is a master of not calling something by its proper name. But by whatever name that suits whatever lie he promotes as truth. He often resorts to tricky lies, but touts truth and honor, and castigates Trump and Trumpists for being liars.

Then last fall, the University of Virginia Center for Politics released a poll finding that a majority of people who had voted to reelect former President Donald Trump in 2020 now wanted their state to secede from the Union.

here is more gold for Ya..

I guess this was also promoted and caused by academia

you guys are running out of people to Blame for Trump Behavior and his attacks on our democracy...:kewl:

watch out for Mirrors! you may actual see someone from that Poll :kewl:

Are you saying that polls are propaganda?

this is gold....

guess you think that was my line sorry to disappoint

its another one of detbuch Manifesto's

anti-Trumpism was promoted by an academia that once had been comprised of and run by those steeped in fields of knowledge who had a fervor for teaching their learning to students who hungered for it, but now had grown into corporate like organizations whose mission is more the gaining of money than the imparting of knowledge. And is run and guided by "administrators" who are expert, not in fields of academic knowledge, but in recruiting and finding financial resources which include continuous funding by government whose subsidization of tuition creates artificially high demand for college degrees which is an excuse for raising tuition prices. Which pours more money into the coffers of administrative academe and solidifies its symbiotic relationship with government and guaranties its compliance with government demands regarding the what, who, and how to educate, including the various norms that government wants to be indoctrinated.

guess you think that was my line sorry to disappoint

its another one of detbuch Manifesto's

anti-Trumpism was promoted by an academia that once had been comprised of and run by those steeped in fields of knowledge who had a fervor for teaching their learning to students who hungered for it, but now had grown into corporate like organizations whose mission is more the gaining of money than the imparting of knowledge. And is run and guided by "administrators" who are expert, not in fields of academic knowledge, but in recruiting and finding financial resources which include continuous funding by government whose subsidization of tuition creates artificially high demand for college degrees which is an excuse for raising tuition prices. Which pours more money into the coffers of administrative academe and solidifies its symbiotic relationship with government and guaranties its compliance with government demands regarding the what, who, and how to educate, including the various norms that government wants to be indoctrinated.

You left out the "anti" part, which changed things a lot.

Detbuch said anti Trumpism was promoted by academia, you said trumpism was promoted in academia. So you actually posted the exact opposite of what Detbuch said.

Just a typo, I make TONS of typos and you don't, so no biggie, but it was funny. Lighten up man!

Wayne, do you deny that academia has a serious left wing bias? Are you seriously going to deny that?

Lighten up man!




always misses the context...

always misses the context...

it’s sort of a liberal requirement that one have no sense of humor, especially about one’s self.

the laughs are all on our side.
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You left out the "anti" part, which changed things a lot.

Detbuch said anti Trumpism was promoted by academia, you said trumpism was promoted in academia. So you actually posted the exact opposite of what Detbuch said.

Just a typo, I make TONS of typos and you don't, so no biggie, but it was funny. Lighten up man!

Wayne, do you deny that academia has a serious left wing bias? Are you seriously going to deny that?

What’s funny is neither of you had even read Detbuch post to start with….

And the right has been attacking academia

Why conservatives hate college
The right's decades-long war on academia and "liberal professors" is about defining an elite "populists" can oppose


At the beginning of the 2010s, 58 percent of Republicans believed that colleges and universities had a positive impact on the course of the country, according to the Pew Research Center. As the decade nears its close, that number has fallen precipitously: It now sits at 33 percent, with the majority of the drop occurring from 2015 to 2017.

The biggest drop 2015 to 2017

Shocking fits Trump and the MAGA movement time line
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What’s funny is neither of you had even read Detbuch post to start with….

And the right has been attacking academia

Why conservatives hate college
The right's decades-long war on academia and "liberal professors" is about defining an elite "populists" can oppose


At the beginning of the 2010s, 58 percent of Republicans believed that colleges and universities had a positive impact on the course of the country, according to the Pew Research Center. As the decade nears its close, that number has fallen precipitously: It now sits at 33 percent, with the majority of the drop occurring from 2015 to 2017.

The biggest drop 2015 to 2017

Shocking fits Trump and the MAGA movement time line
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For the second time, is there a significant left-wing bias in academia, yes or no?

Almost seems like you're avoiding that question for a specific reason.

College, in terms of being required for all kids, is over-rated, getting more so. I spent time at Tufts (elite school), Southern CT State University (not a good school), and UCONN (OK school when I was there). I saw the whole spectrum. I wasn't extremely impressed with any of it.

It's wasn't really about getting educated even when I was there, and education is far less important today. It's an ungodly money suck, and a system to indoctrinate kids with liberalism, to help produce the next generation of liberal zombies, who can't think for themselves, and for damn sure have zero ability to defend their beliefs with any cogent thought whatsoever. To produce kids who will say "the 55% of blacks who aren't vaccinated...must be Republican!", even though nowhere near that many blacks are republican. But they'll say it anyway, because it serves their master.

It's designed to produce kids who shriek "liberalism is great!", then they stick their fingers in their ears and yell "la la la la!" so they can't hear any opposing viewpoint.

The radical conservative extreme, that college has no value, is equally false and stupid. But college is nowhere near what it's supposed to be.

The biggest drop 2015 to 2017

Shocking fits Trump and the MAGA movement time line


The Trump phenomenon exposed a lot of the BS that had crept into our institutions and culture. The pushback against that was extreme which even more delineated how far we had been transformed, and the direction we were heading--and is on track again now that Trump is gone and the left is back in power.

Not a single Republican has displayed the courage to stand up to a defeated president to protect America's right to vote — not one.
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Rep. Jim Jordan declines to say if he's closed the door on cooperating with January 6 committee

Another GOP coward

After spending two years probing a 2012 terrorist attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Libya that killed four Americans, GOP Rep. Jim Jordan of Champaign County on Tuesday issued a blistering critique of how the Obama administration and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton handled the tragedy.

Jim J. accused the Obama administration and Clinton of being "so blinded by politics" and the desire to win elections that they disregarded the government's basic duty to "tell people the truth."

the GOP House committee probe into 2012's Benghazi attack was especially lengthy. At two years and four months, it was longer than Congressional probes into 9/11, Watergate, the JFK assassination and Pearl Harbor.

But Jan 6th. They want to wish it away and refuse it ever happened :rotflmao::rotflmao: Such Patriots

The Trump phenomenon exposed a lot of the BS that had crept into our institutions and culture. The pushback against that was extreme which even more delineated how far we had been transformed, and the direction we were heading--and is on track again now that Trump is gone and the left is back in power.

Spoken like a true Trump supporter It’s odd you admit your your fondness of this former POTUS who was willing to overturn an election .. and you claim you support Originalism not sure how you square that circle

For the second time, is there a significant left-wing bias in academia, yes or no?

Almost seems like you're avoiding that question for a specific reason.

College, in terms of being required for all kids, is over-rated, getting more so. I spent time at Tufts (elite school), Southern CT State University (not a good school), and UCONN (OK school when I was there). I saw the whole spectrum. I wasn't extremely impressed with any of it.

It's wasn't really about getting educated even when I was there, and education is far less important today. It's an ungodly money suck, and a system to indoctrinate kids with liberalism, to help produce the next generation of liberal zombies, who can't think for themselves, and for damn sure have zero ability to defend their beliefs with any cogent thought whatsoever. To produce kids who will say "the 55% of blacks who aren't vaccinated...must be Republican!", even though nowhere near that many blacks are republican. But they'll say it anyway, because it serves their master.

It's designed to produce kids who shriek "liberalism is great!", then they stick their fingers in their ears and yell "la la la la!" so they can't hear any opposing viewpoint.

The radical conservative extreme, that college has no value, is equally false and stupid. But college is nowhere near what it's supposed to be.

Jim conservatives love attacking the other. and academics are just on the Republicans base list like unions or gays or BLM or Antifa or Transgender people .. and even the brown POPE

Keep enjoying your victimhood :kewl:

PS. Republicans are still a bigger obstacle to vaccination than Black Americans

because the pandemic has been called a pandemic of the unvaccinated, there has been an effort by those on the right — where vaccine opposition is higher — to try to drag the left — specifically, Black Democrats

Sounds like you shocking

But of course you were told to be outraged you did zero research your just a GOP supporter parroting GOP talking points Shocking

New data continues to undermine that argument.
Consider new polling from the Pew Research Center. It tracked vaccine uptake over the course of the year, finding that Democrats and Asian Americans are the groups most likely to say they have received a dose of the vaccine. Black Americans are the racial group least likely to say so, though that figure is about equal to the percentage of Whites who say they’ve received a dose. It is also higher than three groups that are largely Republican: Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, rural Americans and White evangelical Protestants.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/09/15/republicans-are-still-bigger-obstacle-vaccination-than-black-americans/


Dan Patrick: "Democrats like to blame Republicans on (low vaccination rates). Well, the biggest group in most states are African Americans who have not been vaccinated. The last time I checked, over 90% of them vote for Democrats."

PolitiFact's ruling: False Let me guess fact checkers there is a significant left-wing bias in fact checkers. yes or no?

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/08/27/no-covid-surge-cant-pinned-black-population/5601748001/

Spoken like a true Trump supporter It’s odd you admit your your fondness of this former POTUS who was willing to overturn an election .. and you claim you support Originalism not sure how you square that circle

I get weary of ripping out the lying words you keep stuffing into my mouth. I supported Many of Trump's policies, not Trump as a person. I don't know Trump. Neither do you. Pundit opinions, political smears, media analysis, especially about controversial people are usually fraught with bias and lies--positive or negative. High tone intellectual sounding opinions in Salon, and The Atlantic, et. al. were easily seen through. There was a point, early on, when I began to like how he fought back against the continuing avalanche of manufactured accusations and how he exposed various political hypocrites, but that pretty much wore off as it became as sketchy and corrosive as the attacks against him.

I "support" him as a person only in how I support anyone who is falsely or unfairly accused--especially when it is meant to destroy him--and for the typical dirty political motive of gaining power.

You don't know me, nor do you believe what I say. So you make stuff up about what I think or am "fond" of. You rarely debate at any length what I say or what I link.

So you spout the narrative about "overthrowing" an election. The choice of word is a non-objective politically loaded accusation, not merely a neutral unbiased description. It's so embedded in your brain that it's not worth debating or discussing with you.

If you wish to point out what was unconstitutional, or unoriginal about what you consider Trump's attempt to "overthrow" the election, that could be an interesting discussion.

because the pandemic has been called a pandemic of the unvaccinated



I think it's safe to refer to it as a pandemic of the vaccinated at this point....

I’m no attorney, but this whole Republicans forging fake documents in five different states to try and certify Trump won 2020 election seems more than just a little bit illegal and also a lot insane.
I’m sure there’s no coordination and that they’re all formatted the same is purely coincidental.
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this whole Republicans forging fake documents in five different states to try and certify Trump won 2020 election seems more than just a little bit illegal

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I'm sure they will all go to jail as a result of the investigations by the democrats running congress and the partisan democrat running the justice department, you have nothing to fret about really....relax #BareShelvesBiden

Pressed on his election lies, former President Trump cuts NPR interview short :thanks:

I get weary of ripping out the lying words you keep stuffing into my mouth. I supported Many of Trump's policies, not Trump as a person. I don't know Trump. Neither do you. Pundit opinions, political smears, media analysis, especially about controversial people are usually fraught with bias and lies--positive or negative. High tone intellectual sounding opinions in Salon, and The Atlantic, et. al. were easily seen through. There was a point, early on, when I began to like how he fought back against the continuing avalanche of manufactured accusations and how he exposed various political hypocrites, but that pretty much wore off as it became as sketchy and corrosive as the attacks against him.

And I "support" him as a person only in how I support anyone who is falsely or unfairly accused--especially when it is meant to destroy him--and for the typical dirty political motive of gaining power.

You don't know me, nor do you believe what I say. So you make stuff up about what I think or am "fond" of. You rarely debate at any length what I say or what I link.

So you spout the narrative about "overthrowing" an election. The choice of word is a non-objective politically loaded accusation, not merely a neutral unbiased description. It's so embedded in your brain that it's not worth debating or discussing with you.



If you wish to point out what was unconstitutional, or unoriginal about what you consider Trump's attempt to "overthrow" the election, that could be an interesting discussion.


But You like other Trump supporters don’t get to separate Trumps deeds into convenient packages to excuse away his behaviors than claim he’s a poor victim or you like his policy’s. But your trying very hard .. this is not about knowing Trump personally it has no bearing on the conversation


I "support" him as a person only in how I support anyone who is falsely or unfairly accused--especially when it is meant to destroy him--and for the typical dirty political motive of gaining power.


So let me get this correct what happened on Jan 6th supported and encouraged by Trump and those around him

Yet You see people looking to hold Trump accountable. For Trumps actions and behaviors before during and after the elections and today as (non-objective politically loaded accusation)


But Trumps action do not raise to be classified as “typical dirty political motive of gaining power.”

Interesting

I'm sure they will all go to jail as a result of the investigations by the democrats running congress and the partisan democrat running the justice department, you have nothing to fret about really....relax #BareShelvesBiden

Classic denialism it runs deep with a few here .. and now you like the rest of the GOP and conservatives crowd are stuck on nick names with an unwillingness to help their fellow Americans via policy or any other methods improve their lives Yelling inflation while sitting on their hands in the hopes it gets worse and they will get some votes

America 1st What a joke

But You like other Trump supporters don’t get to separate Trumps deeds into convenient packages to excuse away his behaviors than claim he’s a poor victim or you like his policy’s.

Why don't we get to do that?

It's exactly what democrats do with Bill Clinton, Hilary Clinton, and Biden.

But as always, it's OK when you do it, only problematic when we do it.

My God, when Bill Clinton was president, all I ever heard from the left was "ignore his moral lapses, his policies are what matters as president". And I agreed with that, and still do.

Can you be consistent for three seconds?

Who here is excusing his behavior? His personal behavior is inexcusable. But his policies, well they worked. I know you don't like to have to think about this, but a record-number of Americans said they were better off after 4 years of Trump. Gallup does that poll every 4 years, and never before in the history of that poll, have more Americans said they were better off after 4 years of a president, I think it was 56% or 58% who said they were better off. And that was at a bad time on the pandemic.

What does that poll mean to you? I'm curious to know.

GOP and conservatives crowd are stuck on nick names with an unwillingness to help their fellow Americans via policy or any other methods improve their lives



Trump did nothing to help Americans. Lower taxes, generationally low unemployment (record low for blacks), stock market soaring, not getting us involved in questionable wars, criminal justice reform, school choice, increased funding for black colleges, working with private sector in creating infastructures for covid testing and vaccines, none of that helped a single American.

Why are Biden and congressional democrats polling so badly, if they clearly want what's best for all Americans?

Other than the stock market (which is obviously doing great), what other metrics are there that would indicate things are better now than they were a year ago?

Inflation is now at a 40 year high, but you don't want to mention it. Because you don't care about reality, you care about what helps democrats.

The reality is, the country doesn't buy your nonsense that conservatives hate everybody, and that conservatism can't be of any value. Only the fringe left, well represented here, believe that. Look at how republicans do in state and federal elections across the country. How do you explain that?

We had the biggest jerk, by far, to ever serve in DC, in Trump. Yet after he got creamed in 2020, the GOP still has almost half the house, half the senate, and a majority of governorships and state legislatures. Every single poll indicates the GOP is going to do well in November. How do you explain that?

And again, which states are people leaving, which states are they moving to? I forgot, they move because people want low taxes, and that has no connection to politics at all.

Trump Warns GOP to 'Solve the Problem' of Our Elections, or Risk Losing
Former President Donald Trump says "RINOs" and "losers" want to solely focus on future elections, instead of correcting the 2020 pandemic election ills.

The sitting president who got the most votes in history — and lost — warns those so-called Republicans in Name Only who do not learn from the "corrupt election" are doomed to repeat it.

people will still vote for this man then say they love America in the same sentence ... is it wrong to call that an oxymoron

Trump Warns GOP to 'Solve the Problem' of Our Elections, or Risk Losing
Former President Donald Trump says "RINOs" and "losers" want to solely focus on future elections, instead of correcting the 2020 pandemic election ills.

The sitting president who got the most votes in history — and lost — warns those so-called Republicans in Name Only who do not learn from the "corrupt election" are doomed to repeat it.

people will still vote for this man then say they love America in the same sentence ... is it wrong to call that an oxymoron

For the 100th time, it's interesting how you bash Trump for making false claims about the lection being illegitimate. But when Democrats say the same thing (which they've said in some way for each of the last few elections they've lost), you could care less.

Did you once complain when democrats called Trump an illegitimate president after 2016? Or when they asked electors not to vote for the winner in their states? Or when they challenged the elections in several states with no valid reason, other than they hated who won?

All of that was OK with you. Just harmless stunts when democrats do it. end of the republic when orange man does it.

I'm sure they will all go to jail as a result of the investigations by the democrats running congress and the partisan democrat running the justice department, you have nothing to fret about really....relax #BareShelvesBiden

Glad to know that in your view, the law is applied on political lines. That has been quite evident for the past 5 years.

They need to be more worried about the investigations being done by Federal and State attorney generals.

Because anyone who prepared or submitted, or aided, abetted or conspired in the preparation or submission of, false electoral-vote certificates, would presumably be guilty of a host of federal and state criminal offenses.

In an interview with far-right cable channel One America News, Trump said he received the booster and has seen politicians get asked in interviews whether they’ve also gotten a third shot.

“They don’t want to say it because they’re gutless,” Trump said. “You gotta say it, whether you had it or not. Say it. But the fact is that I think the vaccines saved tens of millions throughout the world. I’ve had absolutely no side effects.”

But You like other Trump supporters don’t get to separate Trumps deeds into convenient packages to excuse away his behaviors than claim he’s a poor victim or you like his policy’s. But your trying very hard .. this is not about knowing Trump personally it has no bearing on the conversation

I didn't create any packages, convenient or otherwise. I didn't "excuse away" (that's your loaded characterization) his behaviors. I didn't claim he is "a poor victim" (that's your loaded and deceptive verbiage). I'm not "trying very hard", I'm easily stating what I believe, not what that caricature of me in your head supposedly believes. Your hallucination of me may think his support is personally for Trump, but the actual me knows that I don't know Trump personally, but I preferred his policies over those of any Progressive party or Progressive politician.

I "support" him as a person only in how I support anyone who is falsely or unfairly accused--especially when it is meant to destroy him--and for the typical dirty political motive of gaining power.


So let me get this correct what happened on Jan 6th supported and encouraged by Trump and those around him

I presume the figment of me created by your myopically geared brain actually believes that Trump supported and encouraged the riot. I, the actual me, don't believe he encouraged and supported a riot, and that is the "correct" me that you are unable (or unwilling) to "get".

Yet You see people looking to hold Trump accountable. For Trumps actions and behaviors before during and after the elections and today as (non-objective politically loaded accusation)

The "You" who you claim is doing the seeing, is the fictional one in your head. The flesh and blood real "You" (me) doesn't view Trump's actions and behaviors to be same as how the "You" flailing about in your head sees them.

But Trumps action do not raise to be classified as “typical dirty political motive of gaining power.”

Interesting

Setting aside that I never said that Trump was not capable of dirty political tricks to gain power, you may find the opinion of your imaginary me to be interesting. I find your perception of most things you've expressed on the political forum to be leftist media regurgitation.

And I've found that any invitation I've given you to truly discuss actual constitutionalism and the Progressive threat to it, is basically given short shrift or avoided. And, the real me, believes that is the pertinent political discussion to be had in our time. This focus on a constant delusional bickering about personalities (accurately or prejudicially portrayed) and which unconstitutionally based policies are the best or worst is the continued path to the destruction of our Republic, and the continued path to the replacement of the United States into the unitary United State. I think we ought to be discussing whether or not we should be protecting a system of limited government with separation of powers at the national level, and separation of powers between the national and local levels, and the ultimate separation of power between government and the individual.

As a little attempt to start such a discussion, I asked "If you wish to point out what was unconstitutional, or unoriginal [as in originalism] about what you consider Trump's attempt to "overthrow" the election". As I suspected, that is of no interest to you. It seems to be good enough for you to just say or imply that his actions are unconstitutional.

best headline of the latest bad week for brandon..33% approval and 40 year high inflation

Old Man Yells at Cloud

The more Biden shouted and sputtered yesterday in Georgia, the more America went ‘Huh?’

best headline of the latest bad week for brandon..33% approval and 40 year high inflation

Old Man Yells at Cloud

The more Biden shouted and sputtered yesterday in Georgia, the more America went ‘Huh?’

the most underreported story in my opinion, polling shows democrat support is deteriorating for hispanics.

if hispanics turn right, man oh man, watch how the left changes their tune on immigration. they’ll build a wall, put in a moat with sharks, deport every last one of them, put them on a one way, high speed train to Tierra Del Fuego.
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best headline of the latest bad week for brandon..33% approval and 40 year high inflation

Old Man Yells at Cloud

The more Biden shouted and sputtered yesterday in Georgia, the more America went ‘Huh?’

I'm sure he and President Harris will fix it, this is what winning looks like, dontcha know
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happiest guy on the planet is Jimmy Carter :hihi:

In refusing to testify to the House select committee examining Jan. 6, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy may well be helping to cover up potential crimes committed by Donald Trump.

America 1st not if your in the GOP shocking


love all the deflection from the usual suspects who Support liers . than complain about inflation which the Republicans say they care about! but provide zero actions or Ideas in either the House or the Senate ... Imagine that the GOP willing to let all americans Suffer for a few votes leadership at its worse

America 1st not if your in the GOP shocking


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you should write bumper stickers...this is very clever...

complain about inflation which the Republicans say they care about! but provide zero actions or Ideas in either the House or the Senate ...

Republicans have no suggestions about inflation? Sometimes (not enough) they want to curtail federal spending and printing of money. Printing trillions and trillions, fuels inflation. Chapter 1 of any economics text, talk about the effect of supply & demand on cost/price. When you have a massive supply increase of something (like dollars), the cost/value of those dollars, goes down.

It's not rocket science. But you won't learn about it by reading the Daily Worker or Pravda every morning.

Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes charged with seditious conspiracy in Jan. 6 Capitol riot


As expected it’s all about the leadership

hard to imagine how brandon's week could get worse...but it's only thursday :bl:

Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes charged with seditious conspiracy in Jan. 6 Capitol riot


As expected it’s all about the leadership

safe to say no one will ever put that guy in charge of anything again:heybaby:

Republicans have no suggestions about inflation? Sometimes (not enough) they want to curtail federal spending and printing of money. Printing trillions and trillions, fuels inflation. Chapter 1 of any economics text, talk about the effect of supply & demand on cost/price. When you have a massive supply increase of something (like dollars), the cost/value of those dollars, goes down.

It's not rocket science. But you won't learn about it by reading the Daily Worker or Pravda every morning.


Ok Jim now yet again Republicans are fiscal hawks.. your right it’s not rocket science to see that GOP will hurt American families if they can just to own the libs in the process ! and their followers will cheer them because they are beyond gullible and also think they to are owing the libs

Ok Jim now yet again Republicans are fiscal hawks.. your right it’s not rocket science to see that GOP will hurt American families if they can just to own the libs in the process ! and their followers will cheer them because they are beyond gullible and also think they to are owing the libs

conservatives are for fiscal
responsibility. politicians often abandon principles to win elections

kind of like being rabidly in favor of the fillibuster, then opposing it when you don’t like it.

but again, you only care about hypocrisy when the other side does it. shocker.
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Yesterday, the right said we couldn’t call J6 an insurrection because because nobody was charged with sedition.

Today, the right says the concept of a conspiracy, which has been an element of every legal system in the world since Hammurabi 4,000 years ago, should be abolished.
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Yesterday, the right said we couldn’t call J6 an insurrection because because nobody was charged with sedition.

Today, the right says the concept of a conspiracy, which has been an element of every legal system in the world since Hammurabi 4,000 years ago, should be abolished.
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if those guys were smart they would have hired the Chaz/Chop crew as consultants...now THOSE guys knew how to take over a chunk of real estate with force and real guns and then control it for a while, even setting up their own interim government

Today, the right says........

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you are starting to sound like wayne....

Yesterday, the right said we couldn’t call J6 an insurrection because because nobody was charged with sedition.
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It would be inaccurate to refer to the J6 riot as a whole as an insurrection because it was not a coordinated effort. There may have been a few third rate or less insurrectionists in the crowd but most were not and were not even all not only not coordinated with each other, but had different motives. That does not make J6 an insurrection. Nor has anyone been convicted of sedition yet. If and when someone is, he might be referred to as an insurrectionist, but that does not make the riot an insurrection.

It would be inaccurate to refer to the J6 riot as a whole as an insurrection because it was not a coordinated effort. There may have been a few third rate or less insurrectionists in the crowd but most were not and were not even all not only not coordinated with each other, but had different motives. That does not make J6 an insurrection. Nor has anyone been convicted of sedition yet. If and when someone is, he might be referred to as an insurrectionist, but that does not make the riot an insurrection.

is is true that in the indictment, the people charged with sedition who were being surveilled and monitored by the feds recorded their expressed anger with trump for not maintaining power and had decided they were going to have to act on their own?...doesn't sound like they were coordinating with anyone other than their
little band of nuts

is it true that trump authorized the use of the national guard for the 6th and that pelosi and bowser refused? pelosi had been suggesting trump supporters were terrorists for years you'd think she would have welcomed the extra security

that guys with the eye patch tho'....reminds me of when the South Park kids decided they wanted to be pirates so they went to Somalia

there were apparently three additional men from Florida charged recently...that will make pete happy....they were charged with "civil disorder"

The term "civil disorder" means any public disturbance involving acts of violence by assemblages of three or more persons, which causes an immediate danger of or results in damage or injury to the property or person of any other individual.

This sounds remarkably like the democrats and their friends during the 574 declared riots during the democrat summer of love

I would suggest you read the insurrectionist conspiracy charge. It states conduct that precedes and postdates January 6. So it extends the story in either direction toward planning if 1/6 and continued planned violence after.
Then watch the conspirators lawyers interview, where he claims they where just waiting for orders.

Where would they have gotten the idea that Trump would use the Insurrection Act like Rhodes’ attorney suggested today? Who told them that was a possibility??

You would almost think the DOJ was conducting investigations with intention, quietly and then charging people when they had evidence against them that was significant.
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I would suggest you read the insurrectionist conspiracy charge. It states conduct that precedes and postdates January 6. So it extends the story in either direction toward planning if 1/6 and continued planned violence after.
Then watch the conspirators lawyers interview, where he claims they where just waiting for orders.


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pete, do you know if these seditionists entered the capitol?

pete, do you know if these seditionists entered the capitol?

The crime of conspiracy doesn’t require you to be present at the scene of the crime.
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The forged electoral certificates show coordination across seven states. Those fake certificates were key to the plan of the Eastman memo and to the Jeffrey Clark DOJ draft letter to Georgia. The conspiracy involved fraud and force. At the head of the conspiracy: Donald Trump.
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The crime of conspiracy doesn’t require you to be present at the scene of the crime.
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that wasn't the question, if you read the indictment, surely you would know

The forged electoral certificates show coordination across seven states. Those fake certificates were key to the plan of the Eastman memo and to the Jeffrey Clark DOJ draft letter to Georgia. The conspiracy involved fraud and force. At the head of the conspiracy: Donald Trump.
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are the authorities aware of this?

Why the 7 forged certifications matter:
Eastman memo: "Pence...announces because of the ongoing disputes...there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States...[So] there are 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels Trump re-elected.”
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Why the 7 forged certifications matter:
Eastman memo: "Pence...announces because of the ongoing disputes...there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States...[So] there are 232 votes for Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels Trump re-elected.”
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if they are forged I'm sure someone will be arrested...hopefully, for your sanity it will be trump

that wasn't the question, if you read the indictment, surely you would know

Doesn’t matter, if all were present.
If you do read the indictment, you will see that not all of the conspirators were charged on all counts.

Do you think the DOJ prosecutors didn’t do the work to be able to obtain convictions?
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because it was not a coordinated effort.

I love this line or reasoning, which may actually be True if

but ever single elected Republican and other key supporters of Trump
Have refused to answer questions in front of the committee why ?

is that ! if it’s as some here claim as just 3 rate insurrectionist

the problem is the rest of the country aren’t in the cult we don’t blindly believe everything we read. (is it true that trump authorized the use of the national guard for the 6th and that pelosi and bowser refused? )

The Trump and GOP supporters are bombarded with so much misinformation from the trump triangle of Fox OAN and newsmax that when the lies get exposed they just go back into the fake new corner

Republicans 3 odd years on Benghazi. Outraged Americans died many here insisting troops could have helped , I should pull some up for a side by side comparison

Yet Jan 6th Trump took 4 hrs to take any action on an attack 2 miles from the White House to the capital . And the GOP and Trump supporters response. So What ! it happened get over it already

if they are forged I'm sure someone will be arrested...hopefully, for your sanity it will be trump

They had them notarized and sent them to the NATIONAL ARCHIVES. Used State seals. This is serious forgery. It was also part of seditious conspiracy to overturn an election. This carries a hefty prison sentence because it is not just one thing.
You think the DOJ is sleeping?
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I read the indictment...interesting stuff....apparently 10 unarmed guys hoped to cross the delaware in a boat and take the capitol, Steal Team 1 and Steal Team 2 apparently entered the capitol unarmed and were going to take the capitol and hold it until the heavily armed back up units arrived(they apparently never arrived) where they would then overthrow democracy.....kinds like Chaz/Chop without the firepower

biggest question I have is if the FBI, which we know has closely monitoring these types since being declared domestic terrorists back during the Obama years, knew just about everything they were up to between the election and insurrection as well as all of the mayhem and violence they continued to plot afterward.....

why was there no added security at the capitol, how did these guys get anywhere near the capitol never mind in the capitol and why weren't they arrested until a year after the event?

They had them notarized and sent them to the NATIONAL ARCHIVES. Used State seals. This is serious forgery. It was also part of seditious conspiracy to overturn an election. This carries a hefty prison sentence because it is not just one thing.
You think the DOJ is sleeping?
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sounds serious...someone is probably in big trouble

I read the indictment...interesting stuff....apparently 10 unarmed guys hoped to cross the delaware in a boat and take the capitol, Steal Team 1 and Steal Team 2 apparently entered the capitol unarmed and were going to take the capitol and hold it until the heavily armed back up units arrived(they apparently never arrived) where they would then overthrow democracy.....kinds like Chaz/Chop without the firepower

biggest question I have is if the FBI, which we know has closely monitoring these types since being declared domestic terrorists back during the Obama years, knew just about everything they were up to between the election and insurrection as well as all of the mayhem and violence they continued to plot afterward.....

why was there no added security at the capitol, how did these guys get anywhere near the capitol never mind in the capitol and why weren't they arrested until a year after the event?

Sounds like questions for the administration in charge, Flynn’s brother, Chris Miller, etc.
Having all the former secretary’s of defense issue a statement should give you reason to wonder.

Oh yeah, the deep state

The ten living American secretaries of defense collectively signed an extraordinary letter over the weekend, stating in the strongest possible terms that the U.S. election is over, the time for protests is past, and that there is no role for the U.S. military in resolving any controversy surrounding it. They called for a smooth and professional transition of defense responsibilities from the current administration to the next, reflecting their frustration with the obvious stonewalling that has characterized much of the turnover so far. And, most forcefully, they said that any civilian and military officials who directed the use of the military to interfere in the electoral process would be held accountable, “including potentially facing criminal penalties, for the grave consequences of their actions on our republic.”
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Here are few Benghazi outrages You will not find the same convictions when applied to What happened January 6th


God Bless Foxnews, the only network willing to do their jobs on this story.

Unfreakinbelievable.

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say | Fox News

WHY ISN'T THIS A BIGGER STORY.

Stevens and others ask for more security, and they are denied. When it turns out thet were justified in asking for more security, their pleas for help go unanswered?

Unfreakinbelievable.

"A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were the same distance to Benghazi as those that were sent from Tripoli"

guess under this administration we can't defend against 20 or so militants
If we can't send in a drone we don't go
We have an administration that can't think on its feet and has to way the personal political fallout in every move.
Obama first,,,,everything else after.


I guess under this administration we can't defend against 20 or so militants"

You said it before i could.

The drones over the compound showed approximately TWENTY attackers. Twenty. This was not the Battle Of Thermopayle.

Spence, if Obama's military advisors need 2 weeks to figure out how to defeat 20 barbarians, then I think they need to be replaced.

2 Navy SEALS survived the attack for 7 hours, for Christ's sakes. 15 or 20 more special forces soldiers, and it's a turkey shoot.

Spence, you don't put people in harm's way and refuse to help them. You just don't, not if you have any honor.

The Obama administration stood their with their hands in their pockets, because of 20 barbarians who probably couldn't scratch their names in the dirt with a stick. Even Jimmy Carter wasn't that impotent. Obama was probably looking on the Harvard Law Review for the appropriate response, while those guys were literally fighting for their lives.

UNFREKINBELIEVABLE.


Amazing how with all the number of hours of real time information streaming into the situation room , a decision to do nothing was made
It took the Bush administration minutes to get planes in the air and the order to shoot down American airliners

At an absolute minimum, you at least deploy some troops in choppers, and have them hold a few miles out, while you try to figure out if you can send them in. That way, once you getthje green light, they are 2 minutes out. If the forces are an hour away, it makes zero tactical sense to leave themthat far out. They could have been hovering the ocean (Benghazi is on the coast),

Plain as the nose on your face, either one of two things, complete and utter incompetency,or lack of courage to make the right decesion for whatever reason.

Come on Mr President, tell us why four of our American citizens weren't given
the help they asked for and needed.


These are significant questions. Have they been clearly answered already? If so, Gowdy whould explain why he says they are unanswered. If many of these are still unanswered (and I can't fathom why these wouldn't have been answered yet), that's valid reason for the hearings.

The Dems do not want thee hearings. Human Nature 101 suggests that when one has noting to hide, one does not quiver at the thought of answering a question.


The good news is, soon we'll all know. Interesting that the GOP can't wait to start the hearings, and the Democrats want nothing to do with it. I find that revealing, I am sure you do not.

Gowdy is not a party hack. He was named a US attorney by one Bill Clinton. He's respected on your side, though I'd imagine not for long, as I suspect he's about to take a lot of powerful Democrats out to the woodshed.

I just hope it lasts until 2016...


So where was the President during the time these brave men were fighting for their life's and begging for help ?
I missed that testimony

I care where he was. I'm of the understanding he knew the attack was taking place . If he shrugged it off and passed on the decision making to others then I would like someone held accountable.....


The hearings are coming. I cannot wait to watch Gowdy refuse to let anyone whitewash this.


This is just a few. Examples of how the The GOP and their supporters are just hypocrites claiming these great convictions of truth and honesty being objective
Than History proves otherwise

Here are few Benghazi outrages



try to stay on topic...

Sounds like questions for the administration in charge, Flynn’s brother, Chris Miller, etc.
Having all the former secretary’s of defense issue a statement should give you reason to wonder.

Oh yeah, the deep state

The ten living American secretaries of defense collectively signed an extraordinary letter over the weekend, stating in the strongest possible terms that the U.S. election is over, the time for protests is past, and that there is no role for the U.S. military in resolving any controversy surrounding it. They called for a smooth and professional transition of defense responsibilities from the current administration to the next, reflecting their frustration with the obvious stonewalling that has characterized much of the turnover so far. And, most forcefully, they said that any civilian and military officials who directed the use of the military to interfere in the electoral process would be held accountable, “including potentially facing criminal penalties, for the grave consequences of their actions on our republic.”
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you ramble a lot.....

Flynn’s brother

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I played baseball and football with him...I'll ask...

try to stay on topic...

Oh it’s right on Topic your response not so much

Former President Donald Trump on Saturday at his rally in Florence, Ariz., blasted the treatment of Capitol protesters and Democrats' "blatant abuse of power to harass their political opponents."

Donald Trump falsely declared in a weekend rally that public health authorities are denying the COVID-19 vaccine to white people because of their race.


keep support Him :kewl:

Former President Donald Trump on Saturday at his rally in Florence, Ariz., blasted the treatment of Capitol protesters and Democrats' "blatant abuse of power to harass their political opponents."

Donald Trump falsely declared in a weekend rally that public health authorities are denying the COVID-19 vaccine to white people because of their race.


keep support Him :kewl:

i don’t support him. but there are places that are prioritizing vaccines and treatment by skin color. that’s true. and it’s not what MLK would have wanted.
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i don’t support him. but there are places that are prioritizing vaccines and treatment by skin color. that’s true. and it’s not what MLK would have wanted.
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A good day to remember MLK was one of the most despised men in the country, subject to constant surveillance and harassment by the government, and that the means by which his life’s work has been twisted and weaponized by those same people is what we’re fighting now.
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i don’t support him. but there are places that are prioritizing vaccines and treatment by skin color. that’s true. and it’s not what MLK would have wanted.
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Ok Jim lets see the links show US all where people who want the vaccine are being told they can't have it because of Race


If you say the messaging may be to prioritize the vaccine on Race and other factors just like people over 65 I would agree

Once again you say you dont support him then Back him up suggesting its True :kewl:

Donald Trump's family business misrepresented the value of some of its biggest assets by hundreds of millions of dollars, according to documents filed by the New York attorney general.

let me guess :faga:

Ok Jim lets see the links show US all where people who want the vaccine are being told they can't have it because of Race


If you say the messaging may be to prioritize the vaccine on Race and other factors just like people over 65 I would agree

Once again you say you dont support him then Back him up suggesting its True :kewl:

Here's one of many...

https://nypost.com/2022/01/01/nyc-admits-to-prioritizing-race-in-distributing-covid-tests/

I don’t know why you’re so triggered about people not getting treatment, as Joe Manchin said about the government and voting:…the government will stand behind them to make sure they have a right to vote…We act like we’re going to obstruct people from voting. That’s not going to happen.
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I don’t know why you’re so triggered about people not getting treatment, as Joe Manchin said about the government and voting:…the government will stand behind them to make sure they have a right to vote…We act like we’re going to obstruct people from voting. That’s not going to happen.
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Roy Rogers horse was named Trigger. Everybody loved Trigger.

I don’t know why you’re so triggered about people not getting treatment, as Joe Manchin said about the government and voting:…the government will stand behind them to make sure they have a right to vote…We act like we’re going to obstruct people from voting. That’s not going to happen.
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Pretty much everybody who wants to vote, can vote, even dead people in democrat strongholds.

Lots of people can't get covid tests, lots of people with covid cant get treatments docs want to give them (monoclonal antibodies), because not enough exists.

Your side's concern over voter suppression is speculation. My concern over insufficient covid supplies, is a reality. It's happening.

The GA voting law that the left is going berserk over, allows more days of early voting than Bidens home state of Delaware. It also allows for excuse-free absentee ballots. where some liberal states make you provide a sufficient excuse to get an absentee ballot.

But it’s not true that in lots of cases, race is a factor in Covid testing or treatment
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But it’s not true that in lots of cases, race is a factor in Covid testing or treatment
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It's also true that in some cases, it is a factor. And it shouldn't be. Race has no place in medical decisions.

It's also true that in some cases, it is a factor. And it shouldn't be. Race has no place in medical decisions.

But as Manchin said
Government will protect your rights🤡
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But as Manchin said
Government will protect your rights🤡
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Liberals tend to believe that. Not sure why that's relevant, seems like an odd response.

Are you OK with giving treatment priority based on race? Thats the key question.

If you say "yes", how is that not racist against the races that get a lower priority?

Have fun with that, looking forward to your dodge.

Liberals tend to believe that. Not sure why that's relevant, seems like an odd response.

Are you OK with giving treatment priority based on race? Thats the key question.

If you say "yes", how is that not racist against the races that get a lower priority?

Have fun with that, looking forward to your dodge.

I didn’t pay much attention to your claims of victimization because someone was denied something somewhere.
Is it a continuing denial of whatever or has it been stopped?
What I read and heard was Trump claiming and one article citing another article citing a person.
Not a strong chain of custody for the truth.
Though there’s usually a grain in there
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I didn’t pay much attention to your claims of victimization because someone was denied something somewhere.
Is it a continuing denial of whatever or has it been stopped?
What I read and heard was Trump claiming and one article citing another article citing a person.
Not a strong chain of custody for the truth.
Though there’s usually a grain in there
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so you’re denying it. fine with me, about what we all expected pete.
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Supreme Court Rejects Trump Bid to Shield Capitol Attack Records From House Panel's Probe

Maga heads are exploding across the nation

But the Truth is they won’t believe a single document presented

It will be the usual deep state this hoax the SJC are weak bla bla bla
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The Supreme Court ruling is likely to have a cascading effect on other lawsuits filed against the Jan. 6 select committee, which cited Trump's pending litigation as a crucial flashpoint in their own efforts.

The key line in the ruling: Trump would have failed even if he were the incumbent president.

The lone dissenter was a funder of the Stop the Steals husband.

This puts Meadows (and Bannon) in extra legal jeopardy. Their defense against contempt of Congress based in part on executive privilege claim.

(They may want to comply now saying were waiting for litigation resolution)
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The Supreme Court ruling is likely to have a cascading effect on other lawsuits filed against the Jan. 6 select committee, which cited Trump's pending litigation as a crucial flashpoint in their own efforts.

The key line in the ruling: Trump would have failed even if he were the incumbent president.

The lone dissenter was a funder of the Stop the Steals husband.

This puts Meadows (and Bannon) in extra legal jeopardy. Their defense against contempt of Congress based in part on executive privilege claim.

(They may want to comply now saying were waiting for litigation resolution)
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I'm rooting for you pete...

I'm rooting for you pete...

Obviously Pete wasn’t a Red Sox fan in the 90’s. He has such optimism
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Never say never. I mean…I witnessed Donald Trump being elected President of the United States so…yea…Anything is possible.
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The Trump electors gathered in plain sight, assisted by campaign officials and Trump attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani, who said publicly that the rival slates were necessary and appropriate. Internally, Giuliani oversaw the effort,

Say it ain’t so

The scope of the unfolding conspiracy is going to be massive.

This breadth of corruption results from a morally bankrupt and rotten mob. Absolute Fealty to the Dear Leader was the only requirement.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Another great aspect to the forgery cases. There are co-conspirators in five states; most of them will not be willing to face professional and personal ruin. And would be electors from two states who refused to play ball. Plenty of potential cooperating witnesses in other words.
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Another great aspect to the forgery cases. .
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pete...is anyone else aware of this forgery case?

pete...is anyone else aware of this forgery case?

The co-chair of the Michigan GOP now says that she committed election fraud and felony forgery at the behest of the Trump campaign.

Time for some folks to go to jail.
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Actually it’s just one part of a conspiracy

Miller was a senior White House aide when he said this.

Interesting when you start looking at the "alternate" sets of electors as a part of a conspiracy to commit forgery and fraud to obstruct an official proceeding, rather than just crazy talk on Fox.

President Trump's allies are preparing to send an "alternate" slate of electors to Congress, senior White House adviser Stephen Miller said Monday, signaling Trump will drag out his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election even after the Electoral College certifies Joe Biden as the winner.

Miller, appearing on Fox News as a senior adviser to the Trump campaign, brushed off the idea that the Electoral College vote marked any kind of end to the process.

"The only date in the Constitution is Jan. 20. So we have more than enough time to right the wrong of this fraudulent election result and certify Donald Trump as the winner of the election," Miller said on "Fox & Friends."
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Actually it’s just one part of a conspiracy


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does this case get it's own wall in your basement?

does this case get it's own wall in your basement?

He’s on his 3rd spool of red twine and he’s all out of push pins.
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Sorry, but there are a lot of moving parts and evidence surfacing in a lot of different areas but they are all connected to one overarching goal: Keep Trump in power by subverting the counting of the electoral votes and preventing the transfer of power to Biden.
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On Dec 27, 2020, Louis Gohmert filed a lawsuit against VP Pence, arguing there were "competing slates" of electors from Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin

Almost as if there was one big plan
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On Dec 27, 2020, Louis Gohmert filed a lawsuit against VP Pence, arguing there were "competing slates" of electors from Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin

Almost as if there was one big plan
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Close enough.

Years ago I said, Everything Trump touches Dies and that he will destroy the Republican Party.
Looks like he did even better than Nixon at that.

Below is the draft order authorizing the seizure of voting machines by the military.

"That the draft executive order’s author knew about Memorandum 21 suggests they had access to sensitive government secrets..."

So the order was not the work of Trump hangers-on. It was written by or with the help of USG officials with clearances. Otherwise they would not have it.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017e-7db3-d1fc-ad7f-fff3fd720000
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Years ago I said, Everything Trump touches Dies and that he will destroy the Republican Party.

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:jester:

Years ago I said, Everything Trump touches Dies and that he will destroy the Republican Party.
Looks like he did even better than Nixon at that.

Below is the draft order authorizing the seizure of voting machines by the military.

"That the draft executive order’s author knew about Memorandum 21 suggests they had access to sensitive government secrets..."

So the order was not the work of Trump hangers-on. It was written by or with the help of USG officials with clearances. Otherwise they would not have it.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000017e-7db3-d1fc-ad7f-fff3fd720000
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the gop is dead? tell that to Gov McAuliffe, Pete.

what do you think would happen, if the midterms were today? honestly, i’m dying to know what you think would happen.
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the gop is dead? tell that to Gov McAuliffe, Pete.

what do you think would happen, if the midterms were today? honestly, i’m dying to know what you think would happen.
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So yet another Republican who doesn't believe in masks gets Covid..are Republicans this stupid..I mean really this stupid..Glenn Younkin gets Covid and Karma gets…..

Two years ago Joe Biden was busy getting crushed in early primaries. Now they play Hail To The Chief when he walks into the room. And anybody seriously wonders why he’s not worried about polls?

The midterms aren’t here and the average number of Americans filing for unemployment over the last four weeks is at its lowest level since 1969

The US is considered to be at full employment and employers are hiring. Lower paid Americans are being lifted up into higher paying jobs

Thanks Joe!

I guess you’re not paying any attention to what’s coming out in the J6 investigation
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So yet another Republican who doesn't believe in masks gets Covid..are Republicans this stupid..I mean really this stupid..

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The highly contagious Omicron variant will 'find just about everybody,' Fauci says,

Two years ago Joe Biden was busy getting crushed in early primaries. Now they play Hail To The Chief when he walks into the room. And anybody seriously wonders why he’s not worried about polls?

The midterms aren’t here and the average number of Americans filing for unemployment over the last four weeks is at its lowest level since 1969

The US is considered to be at full employment and employers are hiring. Lower paid Americans are being lifted up into higher paying jobs

Thanks Joe!

I guess you’re not paying any attention to what’s coming out in the J6 investigation
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America saw brandon try to speak recently...they are still trying to undo the damage

So yet another Republican who doesn't believe in masks gets Covid..are Republicans this stupid..I mean really this stupid..Glenn Younkin gets Covid and Karma gets…..

Two years ago Joe Biden was busy getting crushed in early primaries. Now they play Hail To The Chief when he walks into the room. And anybody seriously wonders why he’s not worried about polls?

The midterms aren’t here and the average number of Americans filing for unemployment over the last four weeks is at its lowest level since 1969

The US is considered to be at full employment and employers are hiring. Lower paid Americans are being lifted up into higher paying jobs

Thanks Joe!

I guess you’re not paying any attention to what’s coming out in the J6 investigation
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you’re comparing a democratic primary to a general midterm. makes sense. i guess that’s better for you than, you know, answering the question.

biden’s not worried about polls? Biden is making fake
claims of racist voting laws,,and trying to undo the fillibuster which the democrats lived last year, in desperate response to the polls.

Well, Biden himself may. it be worried as he’s too busy soiling himself. His handlers are terrified, and with good reason.

Stock market Nd unemployment are in fine shape, but net wages declining because of insane inflation. inflation that the administration said was transitory and a high class problem.
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Democrats on average gave Biden a “B+” for his overall job performance, compared to the “B” Republicans gave Trump in 2018. Republicans gave Biden a “D” this year, compared to the “F” Democrats gave the 45th president four years ago.
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Democrats on average gave Biden a “B+” for his overall job performance, compared to the “B” Republicans gave Trump in 2018. Republicans gave Biden a “D” this year, compared to the “F” Democrats gave the 45th president four years ago.
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pete: biden is better than the worst president in history.
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Don’t tell Ronnie that

And by the way
A new poll shows 69% of Americans OPPOSE the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade.
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Don’t tell Ronnie that

And by the way
A new poll shows 69% of Americans OPPOSE the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade.
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ronnie knows you think biden is better than trump.

i don’t expect to see that happen. but it’s not a political question, it’s constitutional. nowhere in the constitution could a rational person find justification for that being a federal issue. “search and seizure”? come on.

SCOTUS shouldn’t care about polls or popularity, only about constitutionality.

overturning roe, wouldn’t mean abortion is outlawed. it would
mean the states get to decide, which is where it should be decided. the constitution lists things that are federal issues, and specifies that everything else is a state issue. even if it ever gets overturned, many states would still offer it. not a huge deal.
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Don’t tell Ronnie that

And by the way
A new poll shows 69% of Americans OPPOSE the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade.
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almost the same percentage (67%) that do t approve of Biden in Quinnipiacs latest poll.

so 69% is a lock to you, but 67% is meaningless. interesting logic there.
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The highly contagious Omicron variant will 'find just about everybody,' Fauci says,

A few weeks ago, I had it, my wife had it, my sister and husband had it, my niece and nephew had it, my sons girlfriend had it, and my father had it…..all vaccinated and some boosted.

But a republican didn’t wear a mask and got it….karma :rolleyes:
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Trump's draft Executive Order for the Secretary of Defense to use the military to seize the voting machines was dated Dec. 16th. Then two days later Dec. 18th, the Pentagon stops briefing the Biden transition team. The coup d'etat was already in motion before January 6th
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Trump's draft Executive Order for the Secretary of Defense to use the military to seize the voting machines was dated Dec. 16th. Then two days later Dec. 18th, the Pentagon stops briefing the Biden transition team. The coup d'etat was already in motion before January 6th
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Don’t worry Jim and circle of deniers here will just argue since Trump didn’t sign it Why are liberal afraid of an inanimate object
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Christian nationalism is still thriving — and is a force for returning Trump to power


They believe that masks and vaccinations violate religious freedom, that the participants in the Jan. 6 capitol riot were proud patriots, and the Biden administration is evil and illegitimate

.
Christian nationalists believe that America is Christian and Trump is their best hope to keep it that way

I love this one

"Donald Trump represented what we stand for as a nation"
You go to flyover country and people have good moral values. They love the Lord and they want the best for the country. And that's what Donald Trump tapped into. That's what he represented."

Classic attack on the OTHERS !

But every other normal person in the World understand“ Trump is not a moral man. Americans You have known that since he Ran the 1st time! . but his supporters See Trump as General Maximus :rotf3:

Christian nationalism is still thriving — and is a force for returning Trump to power


They believe that masks and vaccinations violate religious freedom, that the participants in the Jan. 6 capitol riot were proud patriots, and the Biden administration is evil and illegitimate

.
Christian nationalists believe that America is Christian and Trump is their best hope to keep it that way

I love this one

"Donald Trump represented what we stand for as a nation"
You go to flyover country and people have good moral values. They love the Lord and they want the best for the country. And that's what Donald Trump tapped into. That's what he represented."

Classic attack on the OTHERS !

But every other normal person in the World understand“ Trump is not a moral man. Americans You have known that since he Ran the 1st time! . but his supporters See Trump as General Maximus :rotf3:

democratic governor of NY: “the gun did it.”

but let’s blame
christian nationalists, whoever they are, for everything!

one of the very few bright spots for biden was the stock market. Now that is acting up.

The german shepherd puppy he just got, will probably attack the british prime minister soon. everything, everything is coming un- glued.
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democratic governor of NY: “the gun did it.”

but let’s blame
christian nationalists, whoever they are, for everything!

one of the very few bright spots for biden was the stock market. Now that is acting up.

The german shepherd puppy he just got, will probably attack the british prime minister soon. everything, everything is coming un- glued.
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Jim religion and politics are perfect
For conservatives like yourself

Both spewing Hypocritical nonsense in the name of GOD
Claiming they own the market in the name of morality…

Radical Islam and Christian nationalists are closer aligned then either will admit , in public anyhow
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Georgia prosecutor granted special grand jury in probe of Trump’s efforts to overturn state’s election results

Let see who will refuse testify

Want a chuckle Wayne go watch Don’t Look Up on Netflix, a perfect spoof view of a Trump like administration, it’s classic.

Radical Islam and Christian nationalists are closer aligned then either will admit , in public anyhow
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radical muslims want to kill everyone who doesn’t obey their religion. please specify how christian nationalists are closely aligned with that. aim all ears.

STILL waiting for you to propose a hypothetical gun law that would have prevented those NYC cops from being murdered?
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The Jan. 6 panel subpoenas 14 people in fake electors scheme tied to Trump
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radical muslims want to kill everyone who doesn’t obey their religion. please specify how christian nationalists are closely aligned with that. aim all ears.

STILL waiting for you to propose a hypothetical gun law that would have prevented those NYC cops from being murdered?
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Last time I checked I wasn’t a lawmaker but if I was my idea would involve more than Just the word NO
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Last time I checked I wasn’t a lawmaker but if I was my idea would involve more than Just the word NO
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so you support politicians who say more gun laws are the answer, but you can’t conceive of a hypothetical law that would have prevented that crime. which necessarily means, you cannot explain why you support those politicians, other than the fact that you believe everything said by everyone who has a D next to their name

now, can you justify york comment that christian nationalists are “closely aligned” with muslim radicals? or is that another thing you heard a democrat say, and therefore you blindly believe it?
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UPDATE: “MAUS” NOW AN AMAZON BESTSELLER…
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UPDATE: “MAUS” NOW AN AMAZON BESTSELLER…
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The Bible is a best seller. The world's number one best seller. Not sure that merely being a best seller qualifies for being part of public school curriculums.

The Bible is a best seller. The world's number one best seller. Not sure that merely being a best seller qualifies for being part of public school curriculums.

Perhaps if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values, because you don’t.

Jimmy Carter
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Perhaps if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values, because you don’t.

Jimmy Carter
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some people say the stupidest things for political reasons....

some people say the stupidest things for political reasons....

Some people say things they believe, unlike the supporters of the party of family values with the shining examples of Rapey McForehead, Herschel Walker, Eric Greitens, and Sean Parnell
Never mind the Trump family
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Rapey McForehead, Herschel Walker, Eric Greitens, and Sean Parnell
Never mind the Trump family

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:hihi:

Some people say things they believe, unlike the supporters of the party of family values with the shining examples of Rapey McForehead, Herschel Walker, Eric Greitens, and Sean Parnell
Never mind the Trump family
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isn’t there a rape allegation against Biden? and liberal hero Bill Clinton? any reason why those don’t count, but you’re all worked up about allegations against republicans?
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isn’t there a rape allegation against Biden?
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Last I knew you were claiming that was really going somewhere because Ronan Farrow was on the case……🦗🦗
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Perhaps if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values, because you don’t.

Jimmy Carter
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Help the poor to do what? To comfortably remain poor? What was Jesus's true concern? To make everyone equally comfortable? To make everyone materially equal? Did he want human government to solve all of humanity's needs and problems? Did he want a world in which there was no need for God?

Separating Christ's values from "Christian values" gives the lie to anyone who professes a secular government based on "Christian values."

Christ taught a charity that is personal, not governmental. Christ did not try to reform government, nor support movements that would make the government a means to solve the material needs of humanity.

When he said to give Caesar what was owed to Caesar, he did not tell us to give Caesar your soul. He did not tell us to become dependent on Caesar. Your soul, your essence, your fundamental self belongs to him, to God. No matter under what governmental system by which you happen to be ruled.

That is the true Christian value. And a true Christian would speak that message, not tell us to worship and depend on the manna given to us by a secular society.

I don't know how deeply felt were Jimmy Carter's Christian values. Nor even, how deep is the faith of most of those who profess to be Christians.

I suppose that because there wasn’t organized healthcare in Christ or the Founders time that doesn’t matter.
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Help the poor to do what? To comfortably remain poor? What was Jesus's true concern? To make everyone equally comfortable? To make everyone materially equal? Did he want human government to solve all of humanity's needs and problems? Did he want a world in which there was no need for God?

Separating Christ's values from "Christian values" gives the lie to anyone who professes a secular government based on "Christian values."

Christ taught a charity that is personal, not governmental. Christ did not try to reform government, nor support movements that would make the government a means to solve the material needs of humanity.

When he said to give Caesar what was owed to Caesar, he did not tell us to give Caesar your soul. He did not tell us to become dependent on Caesar. Your soul, your essence, your fundamental self belongs to him, to God. No matter under what governmental system by which you happen to be ruled.

That is the true Christian value. And a true Christian would speak that message, not tell us to worship and depend on the manna given to us by a secular society.

I don't know how deeply felt were Jimmy Carter's Christian values. Nor even, how deep is the faith of most of those who profess to be Christians.

it fun when leftist atheists lecture Christians about being Christian,,,,it's like when white liberals lecture black folks about being black

I suppose that because there wasn’t organized healthcare in Christ or the Founders time that doesn’t matter.

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:confused:

it fun when leftist atheists lecture Christians about being Christian,,,,it's like when white liberals lecture black folks about being black

It’s fun to watch ignorant people prove their ignorance, are you claiming to be more Christian than Jimmy Carter or I
🤡
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It’s fun to watch ignorant people prove their ignorance, are you claiming to be more Christian than Jimmy Carter or I
🤡
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nope...just making an observation...I don't care how Christian you or Jimmy Carter are

Last I knew you were claiming that was really going somewhere because Ronan Farrow was on the case……🦗🦗
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you dodged the question.

no i knew that was never going anywhere. because democrats don’t care when fellow democrats are accused of such things. only when republicans are.

cowardly, no?
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you dodged the question.

no i knew that was never going anywhere. because democrats don’t care when fellow democrats are accused of such things. only when republicans are.

cowardly, no?
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Was Biden accused, is that your sad question
Not credibly unlike the people I cited
Your just like the people you think are good enough for you
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Was Biden accused, is that your sad question
Not credibly unlike the people I cited
Your just like the people you think are good enough for you
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why no credibility? unlike Kavanaugh, the victim described the rape to family back when it happened.

to you, an accusation against a democrat, means no credibility, that’s your barometer.

i don’t care much about the moral
shortcomings of people in DC, i care about their policies and results. i don’t forgive hurting people, but i don’t care about mean tweets and infidelity, and that’s regardless of party. whereas to you and your cohorts here, party is literally all that matters.

every single position you’ve ever taken here, would be reversed 180 degrees if the political party of the persons involved, was switched. every single position you’ve ever taken.

some principles

every post you’ve ever made, is a function of party. and 100% predictable.
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why no credibility? unlike Kavanaugh, the victim described the rape to family back when it happened.

to you, an accusation against a democrat, means no credibility, that’s your barometer.

i don’t care much about the moral
shortcomings of people in DC, i care about their policies and results. i don’t forgive hurting people, but i don’t care about mean tweets and infidelity, and that’s regardless of party. whereas to you and your cohorts here, party is literally all that matters.

every single position you’ve ever taken here, would be reversed 180 degrees if the political party of the persons involved, was switched. every single position you’ve ever taken.

some principles

every post you’ve ever made, is a function of party. and 100% predictable.
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You obviously have never done any research into this case and once again are repeating the white wing propaganda you’ve been fed.
Just keep believing
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so you support politicians who say more gun laws are the answer, but you can’t conceive of a hypothetical law that would have prevented that crime. which necessarily means, you cannot explain why you support those politicians, other than the fact that you believe everything said by everyone who has a D next to their name

now, can you justify york comment that christian nationalists are “closely aligned” with muslim radicals? or is that another thing you heard a democrat say, and therefore you blindly believe it?
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jim this sums your party perfectly

One of the key characteristics of today’s Republican Party is its anemic agenda; at the national level it organizes itself not around policy goals but around owning the libs. This is one of the central facts underlying the debate over the filibuster: It harms Democrats much more than Republicans, because Democrats actually want government to do things. When Republicans take power, they pass a big tax cut, then pretty much call it a day.S

The GOP does, however, have a comprehensive negative policy agenda —

But keep thinking they pass stuff


Ps not sure how you can’t understand are “closely aligned”
Is not exactly the same..

White Supremacists Killed More Americans Than Muslim Extremists in Recent Years, Terrorism Report Shows

And before you excuse that away white supremacy usually equals nationalist and Christianity if you are actually interested in Facts
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I don’t care much about the moral
shortcomings of people in DC, i care about their policies and results.

Ever once in a while the Truth comes out. Today’s New GOP has even given up on character,! And they want stay in power by any means necessary…. trumps the prime example
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jim this sums your party perfectly

One of the key characteristics of today’s Republican Party is its anemic agenda; at the national level it organizes itself not around policy goals but around owning the libs. This is one of the central facts underlying the debate over the filibuster: It harms Democrats much more than Republicans, because Democrats actually want government to do things. When Republicans take power, they pass a big tax cut, then pretty much call it a day.S

The GOP does, however, have a comprehensive negative policy agenda —

But keep thinking they pass stuff


Ps not sure how you can’t understand are “closely aligned”
Is not exactly the same..

White Supremacists Killed More Americans Than Muslim Extremists in Recent Years, Terrorism Report Shows

And before you excuse that away white supremacy usually equals nationalist and Christianity if you are actually interested in Facts
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we absolutely organize around policy ideals, which is why we own the libs.

for the millionth time, americans really liked trumps policies. he set an all time record in the Gallup poll. an all time record isn’t an ambiguous result

cops are getting slaughtered left and right by repeat offenders. that’s a winning issue for the gop, a huge loser for the left. that’s just one issue.

despite your statements, americans see a huge problem with the border.

I can explain why i believe what i believe. you can’t. you say you support democrats who advocate for
more gun laws. but you can’t offer a single additional law that you say would have helped recently.

what does that tell you?

white suoremacists have killed
more than jihadists? only if you carefully cherry-pick which years you’re talking about.

how many MericNs have been killed by white suoremacists? and how many have been murdered in gun violence in our cities?

yet you ignore city gun violence because again, it’s a losing issue for your party. the fact that ignoring it means more of those kids there will be murdered, is a price you’re willing to pay to avoid admitting that your side isn’t helping
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leftist media and elected wanna-be authoritarians are calling these folks "fascists"...and the mobs rioting and burning down cities were "peaceful"...so we know what tree these leftist nuts are falling from

All that remains of the old GOP is a bunch of resentful voters and a freakish cult.
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we absolutely organize around policy ideals, which is why we own the libs.

for the millionth time, americans really liked trumps policies. he set an all time record in the Gallup poll. an all time record isn’t an ambiguous result

cops are getting slaughtered left and right by repeat offenders. that’s a winning issue for the gop, a huge loser for the left. that’s just one issue.

despite your statements, americans see a huge problem with the border.

I can explain why i believe what i believe. you can’t. you say you support democrats who advocate for
more gun laws. but you can’t offer a single additional law that you say would have helped recently.

what does that tell you?

white suoremacists have killed
more than jihadists? only if you carefully cherry-pick which years you’re talking about.

how many MericNs have been killed by white suoremacists? and how many have been murdered in gun violence in our cities?

yet you ignore city gun violence because again, it’s a losing issue for your party. the fact that ignoring it means more of those kids there will be murdered, is a price you’re willing to pay to avoid admitting that your side isn’t helping
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Clown
For 2 years, Florida has been under reporting its Covid cases and especially Covid deaths. DeSantis is criminally responsible for the unnecessary deaths of thousands of Floridians.
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Clown
For 2 years, Florida has been under reporting its Covid cases and especially Covid deaths. DeSantis is criminally responsible for the unnecessary deaths of thousands of Floridians.

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:sleeps:

All that remains of the old GOP is a bunch of resentful voters and a freakish cult.
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AXIOS Jan 28, 2022 - Politics & Policy
Democrats stiff Biden as poll numbers hit low point

JAN. 28, 2022
Why Joe Biden Is Bleeding Black Support
Although Biden has lost ground with most every demographic group, he’s suffered especially steep losses with African American voters. In polling from NBC News, Biden’s approval rating among Black voters has fallen from 83 percent last April to 64 percent today. Quinnipiac University’s surveys show a similar trend, with Biden’s Black support dropping from 78 percent to 57 percent over the course of his first year in office.

guess we know why the Supreme Court thing erupted :hf1:

Perhaps if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values, because you don’t.

Jimmy Carter
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Not that it matters other than your chastising others for not doing the research, but apparently Jimmy Carter was not the author of that quote:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jimmy-carter-helping-poor/

pete is pretty fast and loose with his misinformation...he just likes to hold others to high standards

radical muslims want to kill everyone who doesn’t obey their religion. please specify how christian nationalists are closely aligned with that. aim all ears.

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Man going to assassinate @POTUS was arrested at the Hagerstown Maryland: Cracker Barrel. Yep. The Cracker. Barrel. Karma is a standup Comedianne these days.

allegedly on a 'mission from god' to 'lop off the head of the serpent in the heart of the nation,' a kansas construction contractor was intercepted by the secret service in the parking lot of a hagerstown, maryland cracker barrel
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Not that it matters other than your chastising others for not doing the research, but apparently Jimmy Carter was not the author of that quote:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/jimmy-carter-helping-poor/

Ok, let’s run with that

Congressman Stephen Fincher, a Republican from Tennessee, just took the Bible so far out of context he had to apply for a visa.Fincher is a fierce opponent of food aid for poor Americans. You know, like Jesus. He recently fought to cut $4.1 billion from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. If you only watch Fox, that means ‘food stamps.’ And thanks to the fine work of Fincher and his colleagues, 2 million working American families, children and seniors have already been cut off from food assistance.

So during a recent House agricultural committee debate, he decided to show how Christian it is to turn your back on unemployed suffering Americans by quoting one of the favorite Bible passages of revoltingly fake right-wing Christians — 2 Thessalonians 3:10 — “anyone unwilling to work should not eat.”

Fincher and the GOP … cut services for the poor and taxes for the rich. And it’s a free country. They’re allowed. But if you don’t want your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values. Because you don’t. And that’s why representative Fincher is our ‘revoltingly fake Christian of the week’!
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I suppose that because there wasn’t organized healthcare in Christ or the Founders time that doesn’t matter.
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So if government mandated universal healthcare had existed in Christ's time, that might have made it a bit harder for him to convince people to believe his divinity. Of course, he still would have had the proprietary rights of bringing the dead back to life. And his other miraculous healings of the blind and the sick and the demon infested psychologically disturbed would have been more appealing than whatever backward medical treatments were available back then--especially so since his and his disciple's service was free. Except that there was an implicit expectation that the healings would convince the ill and impoverished (as well and especially those healthy others who witnessed or heard about the miracles) to follow him and believe in the coming kingdom of God. That is, they would pay for their cures by surrendering their souls to Christ, to God. If they didn't, there might well not be another cure the next time around--not an explicit threat, but a rational, even religious, conclusion.

It was that payment by soul that was ultimately the true concern of Christ. He did not have a mission to provide some universal health care, nor even campaign for the government to provide it. Rather his goal was the singular salvation of souls. He didn't intend to physically cure every ill and dying person, nor even a minor fraction of them. Even if he would have, they would just get sick again, and he would then be burdened with the never ending task of providing universal health care.

The poor in health and the poor in spirit were the most vulnerable and the most likely to want what Christ offered. And therefor the most likely to provide occasions for miraculous cures for some of the more "privileged" to witness and be motivated thereby to eschew their wealth and privilege and follow the Christian way.

But the price for entering the kingdom of God was always the individual soul, not the lip service of organized bureaucracies and governments.

If anything, that organized capture of and lip service to Christianity (even though it has made possible the expansion of the religion) has diluted the true faith. And in our semi-miraculous technologically advanced time, that dilution has exposed much of the organized, bureaucratic "Christianity" to be a soulless fraud. This current Pope is the ultimate sellout of the Christian faith to the earthly powers and their centralized bureaucratic machinations intended to make us all little useful cogs in support of those self-indulgent but ultimately meaningless coteries of ruling elites.

With your "more Christian than Jimmy Carter or I" you've implied that you're a Christian. If so, are you a true believer or a soulless lip servant who can from time to time invoke the name of Jesus or refer to "Christian values" when it somehow supports some pet agenda?

You know how sometimes you think I wonder what being a North Korean teacher feels like ?

Wonder no more aspiring teachers and autocracy lovers, you can just go to Florida !
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You know how sometimes you think I wonder what being a North Korean teacher feels like ?

Wonder no more aspiring teachers and autocracy lovers, you can just go to Florida !
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So . . . are you a Christian?

Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.

This is totally out of context thinking, IMHO. She was at the very front of the force about to breach the chamber... I am more surprised by the restraint shown by all others who were defending the Capital and were armed... I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.
And there is more to the Ashley Babbit story than her just being the victim here. She used her vehicle to ram the vehicle of the woman who was in a six year relationship with the man she was sleeping with. So given her record, I am sure she could easily slip into presenting as a threatening member of the attacking force. Good shoot IMO. She put herself there...

Sometimes things are not what they appear to be . . . and there is evidence that Ashley Babbit was not the villain you think she was. Maybe she was not a threatening member of the attacking force. Could be that she wanted to stop any "attack." And did not deserve to be shot:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/ashli-babbitt-punched-rioter-seconds-before-she-was-shot-new-video-shows_4233468.html?utm_source=News&utm_campaign=breaking-2022-01-25-3&utm_medium=email&est=W3hQjXQYU5fiyWGdfsALZdv4igN7THMdLLCMqSYnFvJmtT EaL0wCZ7F6fdBUPMTd

Sometimes things are not what they appear to be . . . and there is evidence that Ashley Babbit was not the villain you think she was. Maybe she was not a threatening member of the attacking force. Could be that she wanted to stop any "attack." And did not deserve to be shot:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/ashli-babbitt-punched-rioter-seconds-before-she-was-shot-new-video-shows_4233468.html?utm_source=News&utm_campaign=breaking-2022-01-25-3&utm_medium=email&est=W3hQjXQYU5fiyWGdfsALZdv4igN7THMdLLCMqSYnFvJmtT EaL0wCZ7F6fdBUPMTd


Originally Posted by nightfighter View Post

I am more surprised by the restraint shown by all others who were defending the Capital and were armed... I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.


^^^ this actually sounds like something a crazy militia member might fantasize about....he must have missed all of the restraint by armed police officers during the 574 riots during the summer of love

we've had some here criticize police for discharging their guns when they had guns, tasers, knives, vehicles pointed at them....what was Ashley pointing at this officer that threatened him?


If this had been the Federal Courthouse in Portland and protesters had broken a window and were climbing through and a cop shot an unarmed woman climbing through the window and killed her...do you think it might have been portrayed a bit differently by the usual suspects ?

.what was Ashley pointing at this officer that threatened him?


?

the cop who killed her, testified to congress that he couldn’t see her hands at the time he’s got her to death.

where is the argument that she posed an immediate and lethal threat to anyone at that moment?
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Wow
The White Wing is all wound up about a criminal getting killed by a police officer.
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Wow
The White Wing is all wound up about a criminal getting killed by a police officer.
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make an argument that she posed an immediate and lethal threat to anyone.
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It’s amazing that you call storming the Capitol to stop the democratic transfer of power “trespassing”. That’s the same energy that called a war to maintain slavery in the south - the Civil War - a war over states right.
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make an argument that she posed an immediate and lethal threat to anyone.
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For all anyone knew she could have been a suicide bomber.
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For all anyone knew she could have been a suicide bomber.
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ok. so you’re saying it’s ok for cops to shoot anyone who “could be a suicide bomber.”

does that apply across the board? or only when the person shot is a republican? based on your logic, cops can kill any young muslim men they see.

idiot.
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ok. so you’re saying it’s ok for cops to shoot anyone who “could be a suicide bomber.”

does that apply across the board? or only when the person shot is a republican? based on your logic, cops can kill any young muslim men they see.

idiot.
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You think they wouldn’t shoot a woman in a hijab crawling thru a smashed wall?
Idiot
Cops have no trouble justifying shooting people

If she’d been in another place maybe 9 would have shot her

https://www.thedailybeast.com/police-fatally-shoot-man-on-i-65-highway-in-crieve-hall-near-nashville-tennessee
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You think they wouldn’t shoot a woman in a hijab crawling thru a smashed wall?
Idiot

https://www.thedailybeast.com/police-fatally-shoot-man-on-i-65-highway-in-crieve-hall-near-nashville-tennessee
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i think if they did, you’d be reacting differently.

because as with the others, your reaction to any scenario depends not on the facts, but on the politics

i think the officers involved in the george floyd case deserves what they received. i can put politics aside. you can not, not once, not ever.
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In polls a clear majority of Americans say they disapprove of Jan. 6, want Jan. 6 lawbreakers punished, support the Jan. 6 committee, and want to know the truth about Jan. 6.

Just wait for the ad showing video of Jan. 6 mayhem, with caption and voiceover: “The 2022 Republican Party: Riots, Lies, and Videotape.”

Then the ad featuring one of the terrific Capitol Police officers, and then showing scenes of the screaming mob: “We stand with him. They stand with them.”

It’s obvious where the White Wing stands
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In polls a clear majority of Americans say they disapprove of Jan. 6, want Jan. 6 lawbreakers punished, support the Jan. 6 committee, and want to know the truth about Jan. 6.

Just wait for the ad showing video of Jan. 6 mayhem, with caption and voiceover: “The 2022 Republican Party: Riots, Lies, and Videotape.”

Then the ad featuring one of the terrific Capitol Police officers, and then showing scenes of the screaming mob: “We stand with him. They stand with them.”

It’s obvious where the White Wing stands
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i also disapprove of january 6. but unlike you I’m not dong to
lie about what happened that day, for political gain.

TV ads? your side hasn’t stopped talking about january 6th for two seconds. yet polls show that people are turning away from dems. it’s entertaining for fanatics like you, but no one else cares. so go ahead and make the ad. people care about inflation and crime.

“where the white wing stands.”

More than 50% of hispanics in VA voted for Youngkin.

“White wing”, that’s a good one! Zing!

but you’re too cowardly to
answer a simple question.
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i also disapprove of january 6. but unlike you I’m not dong to
lie about what happened that day, for political gain.

TV ads? your side hasn’t stopped talking about january 6th for two seconds. yet polls show that people are turning away from dems. it’s entertaining for fanatics like you, but no one else cares. so go ahead and make the ad. people care about inflation and crime.

“where the white wing stands.”

More than 50% of hispanics in VA voted for Youngkin.

“White wing”, that’s a good one! Zing!

but you’re too cowardly to
answer a simple question.
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But you have lied about what happened that day, claiming that Ashli Babbitt was not a criminal but a poor somewhat innocent tourist.

This was an invasion of the Capitol by a throng of people openly attempting to prevent the Electoral College from engaging in its lawful functions so that their preferred candidate would be declared the winner of a presidential election. That fits neatly within almost any dictionary’s definition of “insurrection.” Members of the insurrectionist mob had erected a gallows across from the Capitol building; chanted, “Hang Mike Pence”; and were equipped with flex-cuffs.

Keep in mind that just yesterday Trump said if he is re-elected, he will pardon the insurrectionists, but I thought it was BLM, Antifa, FBI and tourists who attacked the Capitol?
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But you have lied about what happened that day, claiming that Ashli Babbitt was not a criminal but a poor somewhat innocent tourist.

This was an invasion of the Capitol by a throng of people openly attempting to prevent the Electoral College from engaging in its lawful functions so that their preferred candidate would be declared the winner of a presidential election. That fits neatly within almost any dictionary’s definition of “insurrection.” Members of the insurrectionist mob had erected a gallows across from the Capitol building; chanted, “Hang Mike Pence”; and were equipped with flex-cuffs.

Keep in mind that just yesterday Trump said if he is re-elected, he will pardon the insurrectionists, but I thought it was BLM, Antifa, FBI and tourists who attacked the Capitol?
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please post where i said she wasn’t a criminal? please please post that.

liar.

i said she didn’t pose an immediate, lethal threat to anybody. but she was trespassing, maybe guilty of vandalism. not normally considered capital offenses, but certainly crimes.

you just lie and make up whatever suits your demented narrative.
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please post where i said she wasn’t a criminal? please please post that.

liar.

i said she didn’t pose an immediate, lethal threat to anybody. but she was trespassing, maybe guilty of vandalism. not normally considered capital offenses, but certainly crimes.

you just lie and make up whatever suits your demented narrative.
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And there is video evidence that she was trying to stop the vandal who smashed in the glass pane through which she jumped, possibly to escape any danger from the crowd that was being pinned in by the swat team. The video strongly indicates that she did not want to destroy government property or attack anybody except the vandal who was breaking the glass.

And there is video evidence that she was trying to stop the vandal who smashed in the glass pane through which she jumped, possibly to escape any danger from the crowd that was being pinned in by the swat team. The video strongly indicates that she did not want to destroy government property or attack anybody except the vandal who was breaking the glass.

but the left doesn’t like who she voted for, so she got what was coming to her.
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but the left doesn’t like who she voted for, so she got what was coming to her.
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You 2 Keep drinking the koolaid
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You 2 Keep drinking the koolaid
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fine, in that case it should be easy for you, to tell us how any sane person would conclude she posed an immediate and lethal threat to anyone.
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Michigan state senate candidate Mike Detmer (@DetmerMike) tells a crowd that he wants citizens to bring guns to polling places: “…if we can’t change the tide, we need to be prepared to lock and load. So you ask, ‘What can we do?’ Show up armed.”
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Michigan state senate candidate Mike Detmer (@DetmerMike) tells a crowd that he wants citizens to bring guns to polling places: “…if we can’t change the tide, we need to be prepared to lock and load. So you ask, ‘What can we do?’ Show up armed.”
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As you like to say "be very afraid."

As you like to say "be very afraid."

Right now, under the rules as the leader of the Republican Party has defined them, Kamala Harris on January 6, 2025, has the right to name anyone she wants as president for the term that begins two weeks later.
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Right now, under the rules as the leader of the Republican Party has defined them, Kamala Harris on January 6, 2025, has the right to name anyone she wants as president for the term that begins two weeks later.
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Very Progressive

John Dean, who served as the White House counsel during Richard Nixon's Watergate scandal, has condemned former President Donald Trump's claim that he'd consider pardoning the January 6 Capitol rioters if he were to win the presidency in 2024.

"If I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," Trump said at his Save America rally in Texas on Saturday. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

Dean, who was disbarred for obstruction of justice and held in government custody for four months during the Watergate scandal, tweeted his disagreement with Trump's promise of pardons.

"This is beyond being a demagogue to the stuff of dictators," Dean tweeted.

"He is defying the rule of law. Failure to confront a tyrant only encourages bad behavior," Dean added. "If thinking Americans don't understand what Trump is doing and what the criminal justice system must do, we are all in big trouble!"

Mr. Trump’s public confession last night, where he all but dared the Attorney General to seek a grand jury indictment against him for seditious conspiracy and for giving aid and comfort to an insurrection to “overturn the election,” is the last straw. The Government must call his bluff.

I suppose he was just “kidding”
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I suppose he was just “kidding”
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You do a lot of supposition.

the last straw. The Government must call his bluff.


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you could always write your congressperson...

John Dean, who served as the White House counsel during Richard Nixon's Watergate scandal, has condemned former President Donald Trump's claim that he'd consider pardoning the January 6 Capitol rioters if he were to win the presidency in 2024.

"If I run and if I win, we will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly," Trump said at his Save America rally in Texas on Saturday. "And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly."

Dean, who was disbarred for obstruction of justice and held in government custody for four months during the Watergate scandal, tweeted his disagreement with Trump's promise of pardons.

"This is beyond being a demagogue to the stuff of dictators," Dean tweeted.

"He is defying the rule of law. Failure to confront a tyrant only encourages bad behavior," Dean added. "If thinking Americans don't understand what Trump is doing and what the criminal justice system must do, we are all in big trouble!"

Bill Clinton pardoned his brother (half brother?) Roger, who had been convicted of trafficking cocaine.

Clinton also pardoned Marc Rich, who had fled the country because he owed $50 million in unpaid federal taxes. The pardon came after Rich's wife donated more than $1 million to democrats.

And Clinton is an absolute hero on the left.

BUT TRUMP!

I have no problem pardoning anyone who was guilty of trespassing, yet is sentenced to years in prison. If they actually were holding hostages and making demands that the election be overturned, charge them with insurrection.

Seems you like to start a thread a day or so. You can start one about Clinton Tues.

As much as I disagree on those 2 at least they didn't invade our capital and try to subvert the will of the American people who elected Biden by preventing the peaceful transfer of power

Right now, under the rules as the leader of the Republican Party has defined them, Kamala Harris on January 6, 2025, has the right to name anyone she wants as president for the term that begins two weeks later.
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Someone didn't think that through. KH names Biden again, in 4 years she names herself, in 8 years her VP names KH again and so on.

Seems you like to start a thread a day or so. You can start one about Clinton Tues.



me?

since you didn’t tell pete he was starting to many anti trump
threads ( and he started way more than i ever have), then using your logic, doesn’t that mean you don’t have any principles?

If I did the search correctly, I started 11 in January. Your math is about as sound as your reading comprehension. But that's too many...


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As much as I disagree on those 2 at least they didn't invade our capital and try to subvert the will of the American people who elected Biden by preventing the peaceful transfer of power

When Trump won in 2016, some congressional democrats challenged results in several states in an effort to get the electors "to subvert the will of the American people who elected Trump by preventing the peaceful transfer of power"

Was it wrong when the democrats tried to do so?

How were the rioters going to overturn the election, Paul?

me?

since you didn’t tell pete he was starting to many anti trump
threads ( and he started way more than i ever have)I can't recall you starting any anti trump threads. Rarely do I read his threads. I know John censured him but you prob. have more posts (never mind the # of threads) in this forum., then using your logic, doesn’t that mean you don’t have any principles? It looks like he has only started 1 thread on the front page???? Looks like out of the about 25 threads 21 or so where started by the right here with the vast majority started by you. With some real winners such as Biden vs Doucey II and did they arrest the gun. Look at those and tell me you don't complain about anything and everything.

If I did the search correctly, I started 11 in January. Your math is about as sound as your reading comprehension. But that's too many...


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You're really not an actuary. Just come clean, we could care less.

When Trump won in 2016, some how many again????congressional democrats challenged results in several states in an effort to get the electors "to subvert the will of the American people who elected TrumpTrump didn't win in 2016??? by preventing the peaceful transfer of power"What did Hillary say after the election? What D. state governors and Sec. of states tried to throw out the election results? What D states passed laws to change voting laws?

Was it wrong when the democrats tried to do so?As Wayne has pointed out hundreds of times, the magnitude is not nearly the same. That is what "false equivalence" means.

How were the rioters going to overturn the election, Paul?

Read the news or even read the posts you responded to here when you were told many times how they tried to do it.

You're really not an actuary. Just come clean, we care less.



"Trump didn't win in 2016???"

And Biden won in 2020. Right?

"Was it wrong when the democrats tried to do so? As Wayne has pointed out hundreds of times, the magnitude is not nearly the same."

The congressional democrats didn't engage in any violence. But they protested the electoral results of more states than the GOP did in 2020.

It was a very small number of congressional democrats who did this in 2016. Some of them are still in Congress. Did they try to subvert the will of the people?

"You're really not an actuary. Just come clean, we care less"

Given my ability to yank your chain, you might think I'm a pshchiatrist. But I'm an FCAS. Why ask if you don't care?

Read the news or even read the posts you responded to here when you were told many times how they tried to do it.

I'm curious how you think they were planning to pull it off, exactly.

I'm curious how you think they were planning to pull it off, exactly.

Trump wanted Pence to ignore the certs. and look at the fraudulent alt. electors and throw it back to the R controlled states.

Trump wanted Pence to ignore the certs. and look at the fraudulent alt. electors and throw it back to the R controlled states.

i’m talking about the rioters. what was their plan?
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trumps Texas rally


The former president also dangled pardons for Jan. 6 rioters and urged his throngs of supporters to descend on New York, Washington or Atlanta for street protests if he is convicted of crimes in ongoing investigations, intimations of support for violence that within hours

But Biden’s the threat to America
Says Republicans Lol
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trumps Texas rally


The former president also dangled pardons for Jan. 6 rioters and urged his throngs of supporters to descend on New York, Washington or Atlanta for street protests if he is convicted of crimes in ongoing investigations, intimations of support for violence that within hours

But Biden’s the threat to America
Says Republicans Lol
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so for now, you’re saying street protests are bad?
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I wonder if these leftist media outlets collude in any way?????

USA TODAY former president dangled the prospect of pardons

MSNBC At Trump's Texas rally, dangled pardons

USNEWS Trump is dangling the prospect of pardons

ABC News Donald Trump is dangling the prospect

TIME.com Donald Trump is dangling the prospect of pardons

Esquire and dangled impunity for people

CBS News Trump dangles prospect of pardons

CNN Trump teases a presidential run and dangles pardons

LA Times Trump is dangling the prospect of pardons

Well, just look at the size of the guy's hands
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so for now, you’re saying street protests are bad?
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You 3 should go to lunch with this one you’ll fit right in

Greene to Newsmax: Trump's Jan. 6 Pardon Comment 'Music to My Ears'
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Trump: 'Unselect Committee' Should Investigate Pence, Pelosi

So pathetic to watch the Unselect Committee of political hacks, liars, and traitors work so feverishly to alter the Electoral College Act so that a Vice President cannot ensure the honest results of the election, when just one year ago they said that 'the Vice President has absolutely no right to ensure the true outcome or results of an election,'

Still lying tru his Teeth ,
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Try and make it complicated
Barr refuses & resigns. DHS is a no. With new post-election appointees at DoD, all former living SecDefs write an Op-Ed demanding hands off & even Rudy agrees. So who keeps it moving-soliciting, attempting & conspiring to overthrow the election? The guy tearing up the records.
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You 3 should go to lunch with this one you’ll fit right in

Greene to Newsmax: Trump's Jan. 6 Pardon Comment 'Music to My Ears'
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Are politically-motivated protests always bad? Or only when Republicans do it? Seems like a simple question.

Try and make it complicated
Barr refuses & resigns. DHS is a no. With new post-election appointees at DoD, all former living SecDefs write an Op-Ed demanding hands off & even Rudy agrees. So who keeps it moving-soliciting, attempting & conspiring to overthrow the election? The guy tearing up the records.
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reading pete's posts is like watching Curse of Oak Island....hope they find something

Some records sent to Jan. 6 committee were torn up, taped back together — mirroring a Trump habit
The National Archives confirmed Trump’s unusual habit of ripping up documents, which forced aides to attempt to piece them back together in order to comply with the Presidential Records Act.


Of course no respect for the office AMERICA 1st LOL its always been Trump 1st

Are politically-motivated protests always bad? Or only when Republicans do it? Seems like a simple question.

you're playing stupid again ?! Id say its Shocking but its expected

you're playing stupid again ?! Id say its Shocking but its expected

i’m asking a pretty obvious question, which you are unable to respond to.
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Barr refuses & resigns. DHS is a no. With new post-election appointees at DoD, all former living SecDefs write an Op-Ed demanding hands off & even Rudy agrees. So who keeps it moving-soliciting, attempting & conspiring to overthrow the election? The guy tearing up the records.
What a surprise

I’m starting to think the guy who wouldn’t show his taxes, medical records, biz records, school records, and tore up every White House doc he touched might be trying to hide something.


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Barr refuses & resigns. DHS is a no. With new post-election appointees at DoD, all former living SecDefs write an Op-Ed demanding hands off & even Rudy agrees. So who keeps it moving-soliciting, attempting & conspiring to overthrow the election? The guy tearing up the records.
What a surprise

I’m starting to think the guy who wouldn’t show his taxes, medical records, biz records, school records, and tore up every White House doc he touched might be trying to hide something.


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if it’s true that he considered having the military seize voting machines in disputed states with zero evidence they were tampered with, that should be enough for no rational person to support him.

i really, really, really don’t want him to run again. I believe no one else on the planet could have defeated Hilary in 2016, and in doing so he helped move scotus away from being a group of activists willing to ignore the constitution when they felt like it. that’s a good legacy.

Time for him to go. Preferably far away.
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Time for him to go. Preferably far away.

On this we agree

However the faithful regardless of the evidence

Will Take to the streets at his beckoned call not for the county or to protest legislation

But because Trump told them to do it , just like He did Jan 6th .

Trump thinks just like like Hugo Chávez And Nicolás Maduro


Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following: suspension of elections and civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents; not abiding by the rule of law procedures, and cult of personality.

Trump checks all these Boxes

Time for him to go. Preferably far away.

On this we agree

However the faithful regardless of the evidence

Will Take to the streets at his beckoned call not for the county or to protest legislation

But because Trump told them to do it , just like He did Jan 6th .

Trump thinks just like like Hugo Chávez And Nicolás Maduro


Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following: suspension of elections and civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents; not abiding by the rule of law procedures, and cult of personality.

Trump checks all these Boxes

you are aware of the fact that trump is not the president...right?

Time for him to go. Preferably far away.

On this we agree

However the faithful regardless of the evidence

Will Take to the streets at his beckoned call not for the county or to protest legislation

But because Trump told them to do it , just like He did Jan 6th .

Trump thinks just like like Hugo Chávez And Nicolás Maduro


Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following: suspension of elections and civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents; not abiding by the rule of law procedures, and cult of personality.

Trump checks all these Boxes

there are people
who will defend him no matter what. as a republican that saddens me.

there are others who will burn buildings to the ground and loot stores because they’re told cops are the enemy.

there’s a lot of thoughtlessness out there.

i don’t choose to be a republican because i think the average republican voter is morally superior to the average liberal voter. I’m a republican because if you compare what each side honestly, truly stands for, i like the GOPs platform
better.
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Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following: suspension of elections and civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents; not abiding by the rule of law procedures, and cult of personality.



"a majority of Democrats embrace restrictive policies, including punitive measures against those who haven’t gotten the COVID-19 vaccine.

55% of Democratic voters would support a proposal for federal or state governments to fine Americans who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines.

Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

47% of Democrats favor a government tracking program for those who won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine allowing governments using digital devices to track unvaccinated people to ensure that they are quarantined or socially distancing from others.

Twenty-nine percent (29%) of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.

President Biden’s strongest supporters are most likely to endorse the harshest punishments against those who won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine."

Dictatorships are often characterised by some of the following: suspension of elections and civil liberties; proclamation of a state of emergency; rule by decree; repression of political opponents; not abiding by the rule of law procedures, and cult of personality.

Trump checks all these Boxes

so does Biden. You just can’t/won’t see it because you like him.

Under Biden, a declaration of
emergency resulted in churches being closed because public gatherings were dangerous, but BLM riots were allowed to continue and liquor stores could stay open. There have been mandates to get medicine injected into your body ( interesting from democrats who on the issue of abortion, claim that individuals have the right to make their own medical decisions). and democrats are absolutely all about censoring those with whom they disagree. that happens constantly. that’s what “cancel culture” is.

not abiding by rule of law? how many prominent democrats have been seen violating mask mandates, including the hysterical photo of a maskless Biden in a Nantucket store standing behind a sign that says masks required. ask the folks whose homes and businesses were burned by BLM in the summer of love, if democrats embrace the rule
of law? which side is dedicated to sanctuary cities, the sole purpose of which is to protect illegal immigrants from deportation, AFTER they’ve committed additional
crimes here. that’s supporting the rule of law?

there’s good and bad on both sides. but you can’t concede that.

repressing political
opponents? what was biden doing, when he told blacks that “republicans want to put y’all back in chains?”

your side made up rape allegations against a supreme court justice who is the second coming of Ward Cleaver. they did it, because they didn’t like his politics.
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polls are fun...
Survey says: U.S. voters consider FBI Biden’s ‘personal Gestapo’
January 6, 2022

polls are fun...
Survey says: U.S. voters consider FBI Biden’s ‘personal Gestapo’
January 6, 2022

of course you would point to a survey from this source if fits perfectly into the world of the MAGA cult

National Survey of 1,000 U.S. Likely Voters:btu:

Conducted December 29-30, 2021
By Rasmussen Reports



1* Do you have a very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable or very unfavorable impression of the FBI?





2* Is Christopher Wray a better or worse FBI director than most of those who held the job before him? Or is his performance about the same?





3* Is the FBI director influenced by the president in his decision-making, or is he truly independent of the administration?





4* Do you agree or disagree with this statement: There is "a group of politicized thugs at the top of the FBI who are using the FBI … as Joe Biden‘s personal Gestapo?”? wow no Bias in that question



Overall, we rate Law Enforcement Today far-Right Biased based on story selection and editorial positions that align with the conservative right. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to the use of poor sources, lack of transparency, and failed fact checks.

so does Biden. You just can’t/won’t see it because you like him.

Under Biden, a declaration of
emergency resulted in churches being closed because public gatherings were dangerous, but BLM riots were allowed to continue and liquor stores could stay open. There have been mandates to get medicine injected into your body ( interesting from democrats who on the issue of abortion, claim that individuals have the right to make their own medical decisions). and democrats are absolutely all about censoring those with whom they disagree. that happens constantly. that’s what “cancel culture” is.

not abiding by rule of law? how many prominent democrats have been seen violating mask mandates, including the hysterical photo of a maskless Biden in a Nantucket store standing behind a sign that says masks required. ask the folks whose homes and businesses were burned by BLM in the summer of love, if democrats embrace the rule
of law? which side is dedicated to sanctuary cities, the sole purpose of which is to protect illegal immigrants from deportation, AFTER they’ve committed additional
crimes here. that’s supporting the rule of law?

there’s good and bad on both sides. but you can’t concede that.

repressing political
opponents? what was biden doing, when he told blacks that “republicans want to put y’all back in chains?”

your side made up rape allegations against a supreme court justice who is the second coming of Ward Cleaver. they did it, because they didn’t like his politics.
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Its sad Jim you need to go on a rant about Biden and your imaginary foolish red herring comparisons

But with Trump you just post "its Time for him to go. Preferably far away"

Yep Bidens a bigger threat to America than Trump is that what your trying to Say .. or are you back to they both do it :btu:

Its sad Jim you need to go on a rant about Biden and your imaginary foolish red herring comparisons

But with Trump you just post "its Time for him to go. Preferably far away"

Yep Bidens a bigger threat to America than Trump is that what your trying to Say .. or are you back to they both do it :btu:

it wasn’t a biden rant. it was a rant about you sometimes getting it right when you criticize the gop, but never being able to see flaws in the left.

the things i pointed out, what did i “imagine”? what did i say bay wasn’t true?

i never came close to saying that biden is a bigger threat than trump. never came close to saying it.

But here’s the hard math. The january 6th rioters killed zero people. Quite a few were killed in the summer of love.

that may change. if it does, i’ll
admit it.

I said trump needs to go far away. maybe it would make you happier if i said i think we should burn him
to death once and for all? what more do you want?

Biden has trampled on liberties, the courts have said so with his
mandates.

Liberals are way more likely to want to censure political opponents than conservatives

and your side didn’t like Kavanaughs personal
politics, so they tried to ruin his life.

Make that one wrong.
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of course you would point to a survey from this source if fits perfectly into the world of the MAGA cult

.

well....obviously :)

Bidens a bigger threat to America than Trump



this is accurate....

it wasn’t a biden rant. it was a rant about you sometimes getting it right when you criticize the gop, but never being able to see flaws in the left.

the things i pointed out, what did i “imagine”? what did i say bay wasn’t true?

i never came close to saying that biden is a bigger threat than trump. never came close to saying it.

But here’s the hard math. The january 6th rioters killed zero people. Quite a few were killed in the summer of love.

that may change. if it does, i’ll
admit it.

I said trump needs to go far away. maybe it would make you happier if i said i think we should burn him
to death once and for all? what more do you want?

Biden has trampled on liberties, the courts have said so with his
mandates.

Liberals are way more likely to want to censure political opponents than conservatives

and your side didn’t like Kavanaughs personal
politics, so they tried to ruin his life.

Make that one wrong.
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The FBI closed its extended background check of Kavanaugh after four days and did not interview either Blasey Ford or Kavanaugh. The FBI also disclosed to the Senate this June – two years after questions were initially asked – that it had received 4,500 tips from the public during the background check and that it had shared all “relevant tips” with the White House counsel at that time. It is not clear whether those tips were ever investigated.
The FBI said in its letter to two senators – Sheldon Whitehouse and Christopher Coons – that the FBI did not have the authority under the 2010 MOU at the time to “unilaterally conduct further investigative activity absent instructions from the requesting entity”. In other words, the FBI has said it would have required explicit instructions from the Trump White House to conduct further investigation under the existing 2010 guidelines on how such investigations ought to be conducted.
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The FBI closed its extended background check of Kavanaugh after four days and did not interview either Blasey Ford or Kavanaugh. The FBI also disclosed to the Senate this June – two years after questions were initially asked – that it had received 4,500 tips from the public during the background check and that it had shared all “relevant tips” with the White House counsel at that time. It is not clear whether those tips were ever investigated.
The FBI said in its letter to two senators – Sheldon Whitehouse and Christopher Coons – that the FBI did not have the authority under the 2010 MOU at the time to “unilaterally conduct further investigative activity absent instructions from the requesting entity”. In other words, the FBI has said it would have required explicit instructions from the Trump White House to conduct further investigation under the existing 2010 guidelines on how such investigations ought to be conducted.
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maybe they would have uncovered some russian collusion....

maybe they would have uncovered some russian collusion....

or that he drank beer once in high school.

Actually they would have found that he was as described at Yale if they interviewed some of the 4000 reports they received instead of turning them over to the White House.
Now back to how Trump was never convicted
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Actually they would have found that he was as described at Yale if they interviewed some of the 4000 reports they received instead of turning them over to the White House.
Now back to how Trump was never convicted
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We always can count on Pete persuading us with powerful suppositions which might possibly come close enough to actually being true.

Ohio secretary of state finds 27 potentially illegal votes

out of 6 million Cast


Investigation finds only 475 cases of potential voter fraud in battleground states won by Biden looks like there is no issue with voter integrity . unless your a republican?

But for the Cult 475 case proves voter fraud exist and their conspiracy it proven


but voter Fraud looks like this

A Wisconsin man who mistakenly thought he could vote while on parole.

A woman in Arizona suspected of sending in a ballot for her dead mother.

A Pennsylvania man who went twice to the polls, voting once on his own behalf and once for his son.

There was no widespread, coordinated deceit... but dont tell Republicans or Trump fans just more fake news :bgi: