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[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1231521]ok. so trump did t do anything different with the coming, he just ride the obama wave? THATS what you’re saying? No, I am saying the wave was there, as you say at the end, he juiced it, but he didn't create it

He didn’t cut personal taxes Agree, which is why many said they are better off economically, agree, this did reduce takes on many people. I paid less taxes those years , annihilate corporate income taxes which many reviews said did nothing in the trickle down sense and corporations were holding the cash, eliminate what he thought were wasteful regulations many of which were environmentally not favorable and many of us (big one for me) would oppose, he didn’t find economic opportunity zones i. struggling urban areas, did you see the PBS piece on this last year? Good concept, didnt work nearly as intended, many big investors made a lot of money though. he didn’t incentivize companies to bring back massive sums of cash that weren’t worse as? WSJ review would say this was not anywhere near what Trump claimed it would be/was. It trickled in but well less than claimed. Oversold but not a full negative

Et tu Bryan? Et tu? I thought you were the one single lefty here who was pretty honest, even about things that didn’t specifically serve his agenda. Sorry my quick response didn't offer a point by point breakdown of Trumps policies on a fishing message board :rollem:


Here’s what happened. Trump obviously inherited a roaring economy. Then he did the things he did, which had the effect of pouring gasoline on the economic fire. Whether you happen to like it or not, that’s what happened. No #^&#^&#^&#^&. The gasoline is a good analogy. It burned hot and fast, even without COVID there would have been a marked downside to his bell curve after all that. He did things very differently from obama, and it worked until we voluntarily chose to shut the economy down. In 2019 there was a study that 75% of economists thought we were due for by 2021. Not saying economists know what is coming, but they clearly recognized the 10+ year economic wave had to break eventually, even without COVID


TDS claims another.
Some scientist you are.


#^&#^&#^&#^& off with the insults. I didn't come at you with 'some actuary you are' This could have been a good discussion and you turn it to this. I mostly stay out of this cesspool circle jerk you guys engage in daily, made the mistake of turning it on because it was raining and didn't walk the dog before work... My mistake. Glad leach block will engage and lock me out of these for the rest of the work day :-) Have a good day everyone.:hidin:

He’s a pathological liar, according to Republican Ted Cruz.

He’s a fake, a fraud, and a con-man, according to Republican Mitt Romney.

He convinced 81 percent of white evangelical Christian voters to throw Jesus under the bus to vote for a man who bragged about grabbing women “by the pussy.”

He fired the acting Attorney General in a Monday Night Massacre because she determined that the president’s executive order on immigration was constitutionally indefensible.

He’s created an environment in which a southern white man can shut down a northeastern white woman while she’s reading from the floor of the Senate the cautionary words of a heroic southern black woman about a southern white man, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, who was deemed too racist to be a federal judge in 1986.

He disrespects duly-appointed, Senate-confirmed federal magistrates: “so-called judges.”

He’s offended our friends and allies, treating the Mexican and Australian governments in much the same way he’s treated John McCain and Megyn Kelly and a disabled reporter and Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz and the Gold Star Khan Family and Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio and Rosie O’Donnell.

He hasn’t, as far as we know, paid federal income taxes in years, bragging that it’s smart on his part — meaning it’s dumb on our part to do so, thereby undermining citizen investment in shared governance. Nor has he released federal tax returns, as other presidential candidates have for the last 40 years.

His wife in New York City, his weekly trips to Mar-a-Lago, and his gallivanting children are costing us a fortune.

He’s sloppy with national security. Proof: Michael Flynn.

He’s given us a Secretary of Education who was born into and married into a billionaire family, has never attended a public school or taught in a public school, never taken out a student loan or applied for a Pell Grant, or even much supported our public schools.

He nominated a labor secretary (now withdrawn) who took advantage of an undocumented worker, pays his fast-food employees a #^&#^&#^&#^&ty wage, and wants to replace humans with robots because they don’t take vacation days.

He’s put together an administration of the wealthy, by the wealthy, and for the wealthy.

He’s not kept his campaign promise to release documents and even hold a press conference to prove that the third Mrs. Trump never worked in the US illegally. (We know she lied about having a college degree and — knowingly or not — plagiarized part of Michelle Obama’s DNC speech.)

He said he’d negotiate lower drug prices from pharmaceutical companies. Now he says he won’t — but will give big pharma tax breaks and lift certain regulations on their industry.

He turned the nomination of a Supreme Court justice into the finale of a prime-time reality-show.

He knows little about the history of the United States, about our constitutional system, or about our institutions of government.

He has left millions of Americans who acquired health insurance via the ACA worried sick that this great benefit will be stripped from them.

His closest advisers have added to the chaos of the first weeks of the new administration: Kellyanne Conway and her universe of “alternative facts” — like the Bowling Green Massacre; Steve Bannon, who wants to play war with our military; Stephen Miller, who yells at the American people that the president’s views “will not be questioned!”; and Sean Spicer, period.

He uses Twitter to harangue and berate and demean individuals and journalists and companies that question his infallibility.

He’s rattled and incoherent, unfit and unqualified and unstable.

He uses fear and anxiety to bring out the worst impulses that lurk just beneath the surface to pimp for votes and deepen the crevasse between his America and the rest of us.

He has not drained the swamp, as he promised. It’s deeper. It’s wider. It’s even more dangerous.

The Russians. The Russians. The Russians.

Conservative Republicans would have crucified our former philosopher-president, Barack Obama, for behavior that even resembled that of our schoolyard bully president, Donald Trump. Where is their outrage now? President Turmp is not making America great again. He’s making America ugly again. But Republicans, who created this president in their laboratory of anger and resentment, will use President Trump as long as he’ll sign his John Hancock to their legislation.

"He convinced 81 percent of white evangelical Christian voters to throw Jesus under the bus to vote for a man who bragged about grabbing women “by the pussy.”"

(1) Trump almost single-handedly got Roe overturned. If you ignore his personal ethics and focus on his policies (which is precisely what democrats expected America to do for the 8 years Bill Clinton was president), Trump delivered more to the Christian right than any president in American history, and it's not even close. He got Roe overturned.

And your concern about vulgarity is noble, but begs the question of why Bill Clinton is an absolute hero on the left to this day. The left's demand for personal morality in the POTUS therefore appears to be quite selective.

"He turned the nomination of a Supreme Court justice into the finale of a prime-time reality-show."

Democrats did that with Bork. That was when it stopped being civilized. Sorry, they changed the rules when it suited them, then they expect the GOP to play by the old rules? You can't fight with brass knuckles and ask your opponent to fight with velvet gloves. That's not how it works. I mean, that worked very well for democrats for several years, Trump put a permanent stop to that.

It was then-Senator Joe Biden, who said that the opposition party in the Senate, should block a sitting president near the end of his term, from appointing a supreme court judge. They called it "the Biden Rule". Why was it OK for Biden, but awful for Mitch McConnell? Can you explain that please?

You don't like anything Trump says or does, no matter what it is, we get it. That doesn't explain why he has the all time record in Gallups poll.

Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett aren't serious legal minds? They're reality show freaks? But Sonya Sotomayor, who explicitly said that female latina judges make superior judges, that's OK, that's not racist and sexist? Whatever you say Paul.

"He’s rattled and incoherent"

And Trumps successor is what? ARticulate and cogent and persuasive?

"He’s a pathological liar"

Unlike Biden who drove a tractor trailer, got arrested with Nelson Mandela, never once spoke to his adult son about his business, beat up a drug kingpin named Corn Pop in a fight, even though Corn Pop had a chain, said the GOP wants to put blacks back in chains, said he has been arrested multiple times while marching for civil rights (maybe he thinks he's Rosa Parks). But honesty is really, really important to you, when it comes to POTUS.

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#^&#^&#^&#^& off with the insults. I didn't come at you with 'some actuary you are' This could have been a good discussion and you turn it to this. I mostly stay out of this cesspool circle jerk you guys engage in daily, made the mistake of turning it on because it was raining and didn't walk the dog before work... My mistake. Glad leach block will engage and lock me out of these for the rest of the work day :-) Have a good day everyone.:hidin:

"annihilate corporate income taxes which many reviews said did nothing in the trickle down sense and corporations were holding the cash"

And you just accept that? You accept it when your side says that employees aren't better off when companies can keep way more of their profits? Employees aren't better off when their companies are instantly much more valuable? Companies aren't more likely to invest in growth when the math of a cost-benefit analysis changes, because companies can keep 79% of profit instead of 65%? You really believe that?

I got news for you and your Komrades, Bryan. Not all companies are sinister and evil. I've worked for Liberty Mutual, Aetna, Travelers, and The Hartford, all massive companies. All treated their employees fairly (some were better than others), all gave a lot of money and time to local communities, all were good corporate citizens. They weren't charitable organizations to be sure, but they weren't diabolical as the Galactic Empire either. And even though I now work in a cubicle and not a corner office, I know I'm far, far better off when my company makes more money, than I am when it makes less money. The more money my company makes, the better off I am.

When Paul, Pete, Wayne, Spence imply otherwise, it's funny to me. It's sad to me that you'd say something so unbelievably and profoundly stupid, just for partisan political reasons.

Not every cent of extra profit went to the rank and file. Nor should it. The rank and file didn't put up their own capital to start the company, taking incredible risk. But some of that extra money obviously makes its way to the rank and file, some obviously gets invested in growth, meaning more jobs.

Just because Joy Behar, or even Paul Krugman say something Brian, doesn't mean it's true.

Gimme an effing break.

I think this is why you don't have any friends ....

....:laugha:

He’s a pathological liar, according to Republican Ted Cruz.

He’s a fake, a fraud, and a con-man, according to Republican Mitt Romney.



Dark Brandon's vice president accused him of some pretty awful things....

I didn't come at you with 'some actuary you are'

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that's spence's line....

He’s a pathological liar, according to Republican Ted Cruz.

He’s a fake, a fraud, and a con-man, according to Republican Mitt Romney.

He convinced 81 percent of white evangelical Christian voters to throw Jesus under the bus to vote for a man who bragged about grabbing women “by the pussy.”

He fired the acting Attorney General in a Monday Night Massacre because she determined that the president’s executive order on immigration was constitutionally indefensible.

He’s created an environment in which a southern white man can shut down a northeastern white woman while she’s reading from the floor of the Senate the cautionary words of a heroic southern black woman about a southern white man, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, who was deemed too racist to be a federal judge in 1986.

He disrespects duly-appointed, Senate-confirmed federal magistrates: “so-called judges.”

He’s offended our friends and allies, treating the Mexican and Australian governments in much the same way he’s treated John McCain and Megyn Kelly and a disabled reporter and Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz and the Gold Star Khan Family and Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio and Rosie O’Donnell.

He hasn’t, as far as we know, paid federal income taxes in years, bragging that it’s smart on his part — meaning it’s dumb on our part to do so, thereby undermining citizen investment in shared governance. Nor has he released federal tax returns, as other presidential candidates have for the last 40 years.

His wife in New York City, his weekly trips to Mar-a-Lago, and his gallivanting children are costing us a fortune.

He’s sloppy with national security. Proof: Michael Flynn.

He’s given us a Secretary of Education who was born into and married into a billionaire family, has never attended a public school or taught in a public school, never taken out a student loan or applied for a Pell Grant, or even much supported our public schools.

He nominated a labor secretary (now withdrawn) who took advantage of an undocumented worker, pays his fast-food employees a #^&#^&#^&#^&ty wage, and wants to replace humans with robots because they don’t take vacation days.

He’s put together an administration of the wealthy, by the wealthy, and for the wealthy.

He’s not kept his campaign promise to release documents and even hold a press conference to prove that the third Mrs. Trump never worked in the US illegally. (We know she lied about having a college degree and — knowingly or not — plagiarized part of Michelle Obama’s DNC speech.)

He said he’d negotiate lower drug prices from pharmaceutical companies. Now he says he won’t — but will give big pharma tax breaks and lift certain regulations on their industry.

He turned the nomination of a Supreme Court justice into the finale of a prime-time reality-show.

He knows little about the history of the United States, about our constitutional system, or about our institutions of government.

He has left millions of Americans who acquired health insurance via the ACA worried sick that this great benefit will be stripped from them.

His closest advisers have added to the chaos of the first weeks of the new administration: Kellyanne Conway and her universe of “alternative facts” — like the Bowling Green Massacre; Steve Bannon, who wants to play war with our military; Stephen Miller, who yells at the American people that the president’s views “will not be questioned!”; and Sean Spicer, period.

He uses Twitter to harangue and berate and demean individuals and journalists and companies that question his infallibility.

He’s rattled and incoherent, unfit and unqualified and unstable.

He uses fear and anxiety to bring out the worst impulses that lurk just beneath the surface to pimp for votes and deepen the crevasse between his America and the rest of us.

He has not drained the swamp, as he promised. It’s deeper. It’s wider. It’s even more dangerous.

The Russians. The Russians. The Russians.

Conservative Republicans would have crucified our former philosopher-president, Barack Obama, for behavior that even resembled that of our schoolyard bully president, Donald Trump. Where is their outrage now? President Turmp is not making America great again. He’s making America ugly again. But Republicans, who created this president in their laboratory of anger and resentment, will use President Trump as long as he’ll sign his John Hancock to their legislation.


see......hate.....

Why I Hate President Trump
Rodney Wilson
Feb 15, 2017

"Conservative Republicans would have crucified our former philosopher-president, Barack Obama, for behavior that even resembled that of our schoolyard bully president, Donald Trump. Where is their outrage now? President Turmp is not making America great again. He’s making America ugly again. But Republicans, who created this president in their laboratory of anger and resentment, will use President Trump as long as he’ll sign his John Hancock to their legislation."

that's spence's line....

I don't deny math when it suits me politically.

Also saw that Steven Spielgberg, our moral superior who spends much time lecturing everyone to limit their carbon emissions, has spent over $115,000 on fuel for his private jet, just this summer, jut in the last 2 months. But I'm supposed to make sacrifices.

So if we all lived like him, and if the environmentalists were right, where would we be? Denver would be underwater and Nome, Alaska would be exporting pineapples.

I think this is why you don't have any friends on this site (maybe you can go fishing w/Scott).

I'd just note that it's the resident leftists here that routinely resort to expletive laced rants, hyperbolic name calling and....didn't internet tough guy Paul try to fight someone here fairly recently?....too funny....

I think this is why you don't have any friends on this site (maybe you can go fishing w/Scott).

you say things like this when you're out of intellectual ammo Paul, which happens to you quite frequently.

Bryan was (is?) literally the only liberal here capable of showing intellectual honesty. Literally the only one. But when someone says that employees don't benefit when american companies are much more profitable, that is someone who is chugging the Kool Aid. Only 2 kinds of people can say that. Either one has absolutely no clue what happens at most American companies, or one is willing to flat out lie when the truth doesn't serve their political agenda. If there's a third alternative, sorry but I don't know what it is. I was disappointed to hear him say that, and that's a compliment to him, not an insult. We expect precisely that from the rest, because that's all you do.

Bryan was (is?) literally the only liberal here capable of showing intellectual honesty.

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he's pretty awesome...:kewl:

And you two are the shinning stars of the right, to funny.

And you two are the shinning stars of the right, to funny.

I never said that, but I can praise or criticize either side when it's warranted. You can't.

And you two are the shinning stars of the right, to funny.

too

you say things like this when you're out of intellectual ammo Paul, which happens to you quite frequently.

Bryan was (is?) literally the only liberal here capable of showing intellectual honesty. Literally the only one. But when someone says that employees don't benefit when american companies are much more profitable, that is someone who is chugging the Kool Aid. Only 2 kinds of people can say that. Either one has absolutely no clue what happens at most American companies, or one is willing to flat out lie when the truth doesn't serve their political agenda. If there's a third alternative, sorry but I don't know what it is. I was disappointed to hear him say that, and that's a compliment to him, not an insult. We expect precisely that from the rest, because that's all you do.


I got news for you and your Komrades, Bryan

Bryan was (is?) literally the only liberal here capable of showing intellectual honesty.

sadly you have no concept of intellectual honesty. but please keep thinking you do and you are intellectual honest ....

You still haven't noticed! Have you... that most of your responses and Post are so twisted with lies and half truths and so outlandish ..

It's the only reason people even respond .... because we live in reality actually go places see the world for what it is .. Not just what Fox news tells us what the world looks like ..

And the proof of this fantasy is the ignorant claim that red state Americans look more like real Americans then Dem states ...

while you lived in a Blue state for 40 years :laugha:


PS texas 52.06% 5,890,347 are Republicans 46.48% 5,259,126 Dems welcome to the real world

you say things like this when you're out of intellectual ammo Paul, which happens to you quite frequently.



Actually I find you such a scummy person that I don't like being around you so after a few back and forths I usually stop. If you think that is winning, so be it.

So you do have friends on this site? Have you fished with anyone? Who would you recognize walking down the street?

Actually I find you such a scummy person that I don't like being around you so after a few back and forths I usually stop. If you think that is winning, so be it.

So you do have friends on this site? Have you fished with anyone? Who would you recognize walking down the street?

resorting to the Detbuch(and others) strategy....insult him, tell him he doesn't belong here...high horse sanctimony....

classic....

need the other muppets to pile on...this should be fun

Actually I find you such a scummy person that I don't like being around you so after a few back and forths I usually stop. If you think that is winning, so be it.

So you do have friends on this site? Have you fished with anyone? Who would you recognize walking down the street?

"Actually I find you such a scummy person that I don't like being around you so after a few back and forths I usually stop. If you think that is winning, so be it. "

It mutual Paul. So we can drop it or keep bringing it up.

"do have friends on this site? Have you fished with anyone? Who would you recognize walking down the street?"

Friends? No, not among current active members. I used to, not any more, my friends bailed on the site. Does that make you a superior human being? Maybe. Anyway I have fished with several captains here as charter guests - Cohen (several times), Fishbucket (several times), Rich Wood, . Ask any of them if they think I'm scummy. Ask the guy here I never met but I gave a never-used Habs needle to, if he thinks I'm scummy.

Paul, if it's scummy to not like someone who, among other things, says it's OK to call people "retard" who disagree with him, then call me scummy, or whatever you want. I like the air on my side of the aisle where we'd never use that word to slander an innocent and special person. But of course you, being liberal, are above being accused of moral shortcomings. Even when doing something that everyone except you and Archie Bunker would say is deeply hateful.

I stand by my comment that it's very, very stupid to deny that it's generally good for American workers when American companies are much more profitable. If I say "workers tend to do better when their employers are much more profitable", if the left wants to deny that because a Republican who they hate made companies more profitable and therefore helped workers, that's your right. And it's my right to laugh at the stupidity of that. And again, it's a compliment to Bryan, not an insult, that I was sad to see him fall into that trap.

Carry on...

sadly you have no concept of intellectual honesty. but please keep thinking you do and you are intellectual honest ....

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Honesty is being able to admit facts that don't help your side. Are you seriously going claim that you regularly do that? Really?

"most of your responses and Post are so twisted with lies"

Remind us, which one of us said the Minneapolis teachers contract had no racial implications? Who was it who said that? Me or you?

"do have friends on this site? Have you fished with anyone? Who would you recognize walking down the street?"

Friends? No, not among current active members. I used to, not any more, my friends bailed on the site. Does that make you a superior human being? Maybe. Anyway I have fished with several captains here as charter guests - Cohen (several times), Fishbucket (several times), Rich Wood, . Ask any of them if they think I'm scummy. Ask the guy here I never met but I gave a never-used Habs needle to, if he thinks I'm scummy.Charter captains - ok :biglaugh:

Paul, if it's scummy to not like someone who, among other things, says it's OK to call people "retard" who disagree with himYou're right I did use the word retard 2x over 2 years ago in regard to all the evangels. laughing when Trump made fun of the handicapped NYT reporter. , then call me scummy, or whatever you want. I like the air on my side of the aisle where we'd never use that word but will throw around the word impecileto slander an innocent and special person. And I like the air on my side of the isle when I see "your" side's policies re. poor people. But of course you, being liberal, are above being accused of moral shortcomings. Even when doing something that everyone except you and Archie Bunker would say is deeply hateful.



So should I use the word impecile like you do? Or say the vile things about woman's look like you used to do constantly (I'll give you credit you don't do that as much any more).

So should I use the word impecile like you do? Or say the vile things about woman's look like you used to do constantly (I'll give you credit you don't do that as much any more).

"Charter captains - ok "

In your mind, guys who fish on boats for a living, aren't capable of accurately judging others, after spending 8 hours with them and their kids in very close proximity, many times? But you can do so from a keyboard, and with an obvious political agenda? Whatever you say, Paul, whatever you say...

"You're right I did use the word retard 2x over 2 years ago i"

We've been over this many times. It's not how often or when, its your refusal to concede that it was ugly. Because as with everything else, it's OK when you do it.

If "imbecile" triggers you, I will try to stop saying it. Ive never heard anyone claim it was inherently offensive, not once, other than you.

"And I like the air on my side of the isle when I see "your" side's policies re. poor people"

Fine. Walk into downtown Hartford and downtown Bridgeport and tell all the residents that you're proud of what the policies you advocate for, have done for them. What you are proud of, is the CNN version of what conservatives want to do with the poor, not the accurate version. Again, that pesky study which shows that conservatives are actually a little more charitable than liberals...since you like to dismiss that because you don't think donating to churches qualifies as charity, explain this little fact...

"if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes."

Even if you exclude all church giving, conservatives donate a higher % of their income to charity, than liberals do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

"Charter captains - ok "

In your mind, guys who fish on boats for a living, aren't capable of accurately judging others, after spending 8 hours with them and their kids in very close proximity, many times? But you can do so from a keyboard, and with an obvious political agenda? Whatever you say, Paul, whatever you say...So you don't have any friends on this site other than the people you pay. ok, whatever

"You're right I did use the word retard 2x over 2 years ago i"

We've been over this many times. It's not how often or when, its your refusal to concede that it was ugly. Because as with everything else, it's OK when you do it.

If "imbecile" triggers you, I will try to stop saying it. Ive never heard anyone claim it was inherently offensive, not once, other than you.Do a search on it and see the reactions.

"And I like the air on my side of the isle when I see "your" side's policies re. poor people"

Fine. Walk into downtown Hartford and downtown Bridgeport and tell all the residents that you're proud of what the policies you advocate for, have done for them. What you are proud of, is the CNN version of what conservatives want to do with the poor, not the accurate version. Again, that pesky study which shows that conservatives are actually a little more charitable than liberals...since you like to dismiss that because you don't think donating to churches qualifies as charity, explain this little fact...Tell me where I ever said that.
Your (for Scott) a liar.

"if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes."

Even if you exclude all church giving, conservatives donate a higher % of their income to charity, than liberals do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

Big deal. The difference is minimal but if that makes you feel better about yourself - good for you. More conserv. send their kids to private schools and donate there.

Conserv. always look down at the poor and have the attitude that if they have made it, then the poor could also. Private charity is no substitute for gov. policies

When I saw the following, I thought of you as you have said pretty much the same exact same thing (in yellow but copied the whole article to show who the Rs have running in NY for congress) w/o using the word black and instead say "inner cities"

New York Republican congressional candidate Carl Paladino told a radio host in late 2016 that Black Americans were kept “dumb and hungry” so they could be conditioned to only vote for the Democratic Party, saying, “You can’t teach them differently.”

Paladino, then a Buffalo school board member, was defending himself against allegations that previous comments he made were racist and said he cared about Black people, but they had been conditioned to be a base for the Democrats.

“I don’t think of myself in any way as a racist,” Paldino said on local Buffalo radio station WBEN, saying he fought for policies to help Black children while on the Buffalo School Board.

Paladino is running for the seat being vacated by Republican Rep. Chris Jacobs, who said he would no longer seek reelection after saying he supported a federal ban on so-called assault weapons. He faces New York State Republican Chairman Nick Langworthy in the primary.
“Someday, somebody like a Donald Trump is gonna come in and force that stuff on them – OK. And maybe then, OK, we’ll get some change because the Black people deserve better,” he said discussing Buffalo schools. “They shouldn’t be held captive in our inner cities. They shouldn’t be held hungry and dumb so as to provide a base for the Democratic Party, that’s what’s been going on. You can’t teach them differently because they’ve been so conditioned to think that way. And that is so, so wrong. And I’ll fight for that stuff until the day I die.”


In a statement to CNN, Paladino said CNN had taken his words out of context.
“It is not surprising that CNN is once again taking my comments out of context from years ago. Democrats policies have failed black voters and taken them for granted which is why Republicans have a historic opportunity to win huge this November,” Paladino said. “I am proud of the work I did for Buffalo Schools, turning around an underperforming district, and investing resources in predominately African American areas.”
Paladino made the comments on a radio show in which he was defending himself over racist comments he had previously made, and had been roundly criticized for, about then-President Barack Obama and then-first lady Michelle Obama. Paladino had said he would like to see Michelle Obama “return to being a male and let loose in the outback of Zimbabwe where she lives comfortably in a cave with Maxie, the gorilla,” and that he hoped Barack Obama would die of Mad Cow Disease after having sex with a cow.
He had made the comments about the Obamas to ArtVoice.com, but later said he meant to send it to friends. He originally defended the comment, on the radio show, before apologizing.
A since-deleted Twitter account, which Paladino used until January 2021, also reveals a host of sexist and explicit comments.
On May 16, 2020, Paladino disparaged a woman who accused former President Donald Trump of sexual assault tweeting, “get a life. You probably enjoyed the slap at the time.” Another tweet that day called the Buffalo News “a #^&#^&#^&#^&bag newspaper.”
Paladino, a Buffalo-based real estate developer who previously ran for New York governor in 2010, entered the congressional race in early June, shortly after Republican Rep. Chris Jacobs announced he would not run for reelection in the newly redrawn district in lieu of intense political backlash for supporting a federal assault weapons ban following the Buffalo mass shooting.
Shortly after Paladino entered the race, the left-leaning Media Matters reported Paladino shared posts on Facebook calling the mass shootings in Buffalo and Uvalde, Texas, “false flag” attacks orchestrated to revoke the Second Amendment and take away guns to help Democrats. Paladino initially claimed he didn’t know how the posts got there, but later said he “carelessly” shared the post and later deleted his Facebook account.
Last week, Media Matters also reported that Paladino praised the leadership of Adolf Hitler for “how he aroused the crowds,” calling Hitler “the kind of leader we need today. We need somebody inspirational.” Paladino tried to clarify his comments, insisting that he was speaking about Hitler’s popularity. Paladino told the Buffalo News that he understood “invoking Hitler in any context is a serious mistake and rightfully upsets people. I strongly condemn the murderous atrocities committed against the Jewish people by Hitler and the Nazis.
Paladino quickly earned the endorsement of upstate New York Republican Rep. Elise Stefanik, who is the third-ranked Republican in the House and has kept her endorsement despite his recent

"Charter captains - ok "

In your mind, guys who fish on boats for a living, aren't capable of accurately judging others, after spending 8 hours with them and their kids in very close proximity, many times? But you can do so from a keyboardanyone reading posts here will see your constant insults., and with an obvious political agenda? Whatever you say, Paul, whatever you say...So you don't have any friends on this site other than the people you pay. ok, whatever

"You're right I did use the word retard 2x over 2 years ago i"

We've been over this many times. It's not how often or when, its your refusal to concede that it was ugly. Because as with everything else, it's OK when you do it.

If "imbecile" triggers you, I will try to stop saying it. Ive never heard anyone claim it was inherently offensive, not once, other than you.Do a search on it and see the reactions.

"And I like the air on my side of the isle when I see "your" side's policies re. poor people"

Fine. Walk into downtown Hartford and downtown Bridgeport and tell all the residents that you're proud of what the policies you advocate for, have done for them. What you are proud of, is the CNN version of what conservatives want to do with the poor, not the accurate version. Again, that pesky study which shows that conservatives are actually a little more charitable than liberals...since you like to dismiss that because you don't think donating to churches qualifies as charity, explain this little fact...Tell me where I ever said that.
Your (for Scott) a liar.

"if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes."

Even if you exclude all church giving, conservatives donate a higher % of their income to charity, than liberals do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html

Big deal. The difference is minimal but if that makes you feel better about yourself - good for you. More conserv. send their kids to private schools and donate there.

Conserv. always look down at the poor and have the attitude that if they have made it, then the poor could also. Private charity is no substitute for gov. policies

When I saw the following, I thought of you as you have said pretty much the same exact same thing (in yellow but copied the whole article to show who the Rs have running in NY for congress) w/o using the word black and instead say "inner cities"

New York Republican congressional candidate Carl Paladino told a radio host in late 2016 that Black Americans were kept “dumb and hungry” so they could be conditioned to only vote for the Democratic Party, saying, “You can’t teach them differently.”

Paladino, then a Buffalo school board member, was defending himself against allegations that previous comments he made were racist and said he cared about Black people, but they had been conditioned to be a base for the Democrats.

“I don’t think of myself in any way as a racist,” Paldino said on local Buffalo radio station WBEN, saying he fought for policies to help Black children while on the Buffalo School Board.

Paladino is running for the seat being vacated by Republican Rep. Chris Jacobs, who said he would no longer seek reelection after saying he supported a federal ban on so-called assault weapons. He faces New York State Republican Chairman Nick Langworthy in the primary.
“Someday, somebody like a Donald Trump is gonna come in and force that stuff on them – OK. And maybe then, OK, we’ll get some change because the Black people deserve better,” he said discussing Buffalo schools. “They shouldn’t be held captive in our inner cities. They shouldn’t be held hungry and dumb so as to provide a base for the Democratic Party, that’s what’s been going on. You can’t teach them differently because they’ve been so conditioned to think that way. And that is so, so wrong. And I’ll fight for that stuff until the day I die.”


In a statement to CNN, Paladino said CNN had taken his words out of context.
“It is not surprising that CNN is once again taking my comments out of context from years ago. Democrats policies have failed black voters and taken them for granted which is why Republicans have a historic opportunity to win huge this November,” Paladino said. “I am proud of the work I did for Buffalo Schools, turning around an underperforming district, and investing resources in predominately African American areas.”
Paladino made the comments on a radio show in which he was defending himself over racist comments he had previously made, and had been roundly criticized for, about then-President Barack Obama and then-first lady Michelle Obama. Paladino had said he would like to see Michelle Obama “return to being a male and let loose in the outback of Zimbabwe where she lives comfortably in a cave with Maxie, the gorilla,” and that he hoped Barack Obama would die of Mad Cow Disease after having sex with a cow.
He had made the comments about the Obamas to ArtVoice.com, but later said he meant to send it to friends. He originally defended the comment, on the radio show, before apologizing.
A since-deleted Twitter account, which Paladino used until January 2021, also reveals a host of sexist and explicit comments.
On May 16, 2020, Paladino disparaged a woman who accused former President Donald Trump of sexual assault tweeting, “get a life. You probably enjoyed the slap at the time.” Another tweet that day called the Buffalo News “a #^&#^&#^&#^&bag newspaper.”
Paladino, a Buffalo-based real estate developer who previously ran for New York governor in 2010, entered the congressional race in early June, shortly after Republican Rep. Chris Jacobs announced he would not run for reelection in the newly redrawn district in lieu of intense political backlash for supporting a federal assault weapons ban following the Buffalo mass shooting.
Shortly after Paladino entered the race, the left-leaning Media Matters reported Paladino shared posts on Facebook calling the mass shootings in Buffalo and Uvalde, Texas, “false flag” attacks orchestrated to revoke the Second Amendment and take away guns to help Democrats. Paladino initially claimed he didn’t know how the posts got there, but later said he “carelessly” shared the post and later deleted his Facebook account.
Last week, Media Matters also reported that Paladino praised the leadership of Adolf Hitler for “how he aroused the crowds,” calling Hitler “the kind of leader we need today. We need somebody inspirational.” Paladino tried to clarify his comments, insisting that he was speaking about Hitler’s popularity. Paladino told the Buffalo News that he understood “invoking Hitler in any context is a serious mistake and rightfully upsets people. I strongly condemn the murderous atrocities committed against the Jewish people by Hitler and the Nazis.
Paladino quickly earned the endorsement of upstate New York Republican Rep. Elise Stefanik, who is the third-ranked Republican in the House and has kept her endorsement despite his recent

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Over three-quarters of US charities’ revenues come from donations by individuals, and we used these individual giving decisions to learn about differences in “apolitical” behaviour by partisans. In three surveys, we asked whether Republicans and conservatives give more or less to charity than Democrats and liberals. While political identity and giving are measured slightly differently across the surveys, the results are consistent: Republicans and conservatives report donating between $60 and $160 more per year to charity than Democrats and liberals. This result holds even when we account for socio-economic measures that are correlated both with political identity and charitable giving. The baseline difference in giving behaviour comports with what others have found: partisanship is a dividing line not only in terms of choosing candidates and policies, but also in how partisans spend their disposable income.

Having established the difference, we next wanted to know why a partisan gap in giving appears. We tested three potential explanations – religious identity, political beliefs, and economic status.

We found the strongest support for the religious explanation. Republicans are not only more likely to attend church than Democrats, but church attendance – among Democrats and Republicans alike – is strongly associated with charitable giving. Gaps in giving, therefore, are linked to differences in the social composition of the parties, in which the average Republican is more religious than the average Democrat. Moreover, the overall giving gap emerges because Republicans donate more to their own religious congregations, rather than nationally active religious charities. Republicans and Democrats give roughly equal amounts to religious organisations aside from their own congregations, and we also find some evidence that Democrats donate more to non-religious organisations than Republicans. In other words, the baseline difference in charitable giving emerges because Republicans are more religious than Democrats, and religious people donate generously to their religious congregations.

We find no support for the claim that political beliefs drive differences in giving. It is possible that Republicans donate more to charity due to their ideological beliefs – indeed, conservative politicians in the US often claim that the government should get out of the way and let the charitable sector provide services. Republicans on our surveys might signal their opposition to income redistribution and support for private service provision by donating to charitable causes, substituting donation behaviour for support for government redistribution. Borrowing from Ellis and Stimson’s distinction between symbolic conservatives – those who merely call themselves conservative, but do not oppose government redistribution – and operational conservatives – those who hold conservative beliefs about the role of government – we find no evidence that political beliefs explain why Republicans donate more than Democrats. Republicans who are strong operational conservatives, and therefore oppose government redistribution the most, do not give any more or less to charity than Republicans who support government redistribution. Thus, Republicans do not donate more to express their preference for private service provision over large government social service programmes.

Third, we tested whether Republicans donate more than Democrats due to a differing desire to signal high economic status, which is one of the explanations for the differences in baby names cited above. But we find little evidence that changing economic evaluations cause changes in levels of anticipated giving in the short term. Using the 2012 presidential election as a natural experiment, we show that Republicans’ perceptions of their economic status, as well as their reported spending on vacations, declined following the re-election of Democrat Barack Obama. However, giving behaviour was unaffected by the election, reinforcing our conclusion that differences in giving come from differences in religiosity, not politics or economics.

Our findings have important implications for how we think about politics and charitable giving. It is a fact that there are differences in giving patterns between Democrats and Republicans. However, these differences stem from underlying differences in the social compositions of the parties, rather than from differences in ideological beliefs or a desire to signal status. In particular, the partisan gap appears because of a difference in a very specific type of giving, donating to one’s own congregation or house of worship. We find no conservative advantage when it comes to non-religious charities, or even religious charities beyond one’s own congregation. The large religiosity gap that exists in American politics today, coupled with the tendency of religious Americans to donate to their own churches, helps explain the overall partisan difference in charitable giving. To the extent that Republicans and Democrats are culturally divided, these divisions appear to have little, if anything to do with disagreements about public policy.

Another article

https://nonprofitquarterly.org/republicans-give-more-to-charity-than-democrats-but-theres-a-bigger-story-here/

The political differences between Republicans and Democrats don’t play out solely at the ballot box; they also predict how likely people are to donate to charity. This finding from a newly published research project reflects a key difference, one tied to political affiliation, about how our nation should take on critical social issues like homelessness, poverty, and health care. The data also suggest that in times of political strife, both parties’ supporters pull back, making problem-solving harder.

Using voting and IRS data for the residents of 3,000 counties across the nation, the four-professor research team found, according to the New York Times, that counties which are “overwhelmingly Republican” report higher charitable contributions than Democratic-dominated counties, although “giving in blue counties is often bolstered by a combination of charitable donations and higher taxes. But as red or blue counties become more politically competitive, charitable giving tends to fall.” The full study was recently published in the Nonprofit and Voluntary Sector Quarterly.

One could conclude this shows the Republican party is, despite the conventional wisdom, the party that cares about those in need and puts its money where its mouth is. But the true picture is more complex, reflecting at best a real difference between the parties in the best way to approach the challenge of human need. Because the range of organizations and activities that are supported by tax deductible giving is very wide, it is not clear how these funds are actually used or what motives they reflect.

Republicans do give more, but where that money ends up is not yet clear. One of the study’s authors, Rebecca Nesbit, associate professor of public administration and policy at the University of Georgia, told the New York Times that Republicans prefer to “provide for the collective good through private institutions. But we don’t know what type of institutions they’re giving to.” It also wasn’t obvious “whether donors were being purely generous or whether they would also benefit from their donation. This relationship is called consumption philanthropy, in which people give to a religious organization or a school from which they will derive a benefit in the form of, say, a better religious education program or a new gymnasium.” Giving to a food bank or a homeless shelter has a very different outcome than does giving to a private school.

While red counties may be more philanthropic, tax rates are higher in blue counties, reflecting stronger support for collective action and for a social safety net of services and organizations. “The county you live in and the political ideology of that county affects the tax burden of the community,” Dr. Nesbit said. “That in turn has an effect on charitable contributions. If you leave tax burden out of the equation, you’re not getting the full story.”

Importantly, the study did not find that in Republican counties, private funds replaced public funds so that social services were equally supported.

Those in favor of lower taxes have argued that individuals are more capable than the government of allocating money to important causes, including people in need of assistance. But the study found that was not true. Donations do not match government assistance, and without tax money, social services are not funded as robustly.

“The evidence shows that private philanthropy can’t compensate for the loss of government provision,” Dr. Nesbit said. “It’s not equal. What government can put into these things is so much more than what we see through private philanthropy.”

Most concerning in this moment of high political strife is the finding that everyone pulls back in areas where political division is high: “When counties are split evenly between the political parties, both donations and the tax burden go down. Or in the study’s terms: Political competition decreases giving.” This does not bode well for organizations whose work is holding up a part of the social safety net, nor for the people they serve.

As we see very graphically on a national level, split electorates and the split governments they elect have difficulty enacting polices and laws to support democratic approaches to collective action. The publicly funded portion of the safety net weakens. If Republicans, who may be more individually ready than their Democratic neighbors, do not make growing charitable donations for these same purposes, philanthropy will not provide the solution, either.—Marty Levine

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Over three-quarters of US charities’ revenues come from donations by individuals, and we used these individual giving decisions to learn about differences in “apolitical” behaviour by partisans. In three surveys, we asked whether Republicans and conservatives give more or less to charity than Democrats and liberals. While political identity and giving are measured slightly differently across the surveys, the results are consistent: Republicans and conservatives report donating between $60 and $160 more per year to charity than Democrats and liberals. This result holds even when we account for socio-economic measures that are correlated both with political identity and charitable giving. The baseline difference in giving behaviour comports with what others have found: partisanship is a dividing line not only in terms of choosing candidates and policies, but also in how partisans spend their disposable income.

Having established the difference, we next wanted to know why a partisan gap in giving appears. We tested three potential explanations – religious identity, political beliefs, and economic status.

We found the strongest support for the religious explanation. Republicans are not only more likely to attend church than Democrats, but church attendance – among Democrats and Republicans alike – is strongly associated with charitable giving. Gaps in giving, therefore, are linked to differences in the social composition of the parties, in which the average Republican is more religious than the average Democrat. Moreover, the overall giving gap emerges because Republicans donate more to their own religious congregations, rather than nationally active religious charities. Republicans and Democrats give roughly equal amounts to religious organisations aside from their own congregations, and we also find some evidence that Democrats donate more to non-religious organisations than Republicans. In other words, the baseline difference in charitable giving emerges because Republicans are more religious than Democrats, and religious people donate generously to their religious congregations.

We find no support for the claim that political beliefs drive differences in giving. It is possible that Republicans donate more to charity due to their ideological beliefs – indeed, conservative politicians in the US often claim that the government should get out of the way and let the charitable sector provide services. Republicans on our surveys might signal their opposition to income redistribution and support for private service provision by donating to charitable causes, substituting donation behaviour for support for government redistribution. Borrowing from Ellis and Stimson’s distinction between symbolic conservatives – those who merely call themselves conservative, but do not oppose government redistribution – and operational conservatives – those who hold conservative beliefs about the role of government – we find no evidence that political beliefs explain why Republicans donate more than Democrats. Republicans who are strong operational conservatives, and therefore oppose government redistribution the most, do not give any more or less to charity than Republicans who support government redistribution. Thus, Republicans do not donate more to express their preference for private service provision over large government social service programmes.

Third, we tested whether Republicans donate more than Democrats due to a differing desire to signal high economic status, which is one of the explanations for the differences in baby names cited above. But we find little evidence that changing economic evaluations cause changes in levels of anticipated giving in the short term. Using the 2012 presidential election as a natural experiment, we show that Republicans’ perceptions of their economic status, as well as their reported spending on vacations, declined following the re-election of Democrat Barack Obama. However, giving behaviour was unaffected by the election, reinforcing our conclusion that differences in giving come from differences in religiosity, not politics or economics.

Our findings have important implications for how we think about politics and charitable giving. It is a fact that there are differences in giving patterns between Democrats and Republicans. However, these differences stem from underlying differences in the social compositions of the parties, rather than from differences in ideological beliefs or a desire to signal status. In particular, the partisan gap appears because of a difference in a very specific type of giving, donating to one’s own congregation or house of worship. We find no conservative advantage when it comes to non-religious charities, or even religious charities beyond one’s own congregation. The large religiosity gap that exists in American politics today, coupled with the tendency of religious Americans to donate to their own churches, helps explain the overall partisan difference in charitable giving. To the extent that Republicans and Democrats are culturally divided, these divisions appear to have little, if anything to do with disagreements about public policy.

Paul, YOU are the one saying that republicans care less about the poor. There's no evidence that's true, other than your desperate wish for it to be true. The study I posted shows the 2 sides give about the same, so no big difference.

"Conserv. always look down at the poor"

Then please explain the stance taken by each side, regarding school choice. I'll wait.

"Tell me where I ever said that.
Your (for Scott) a liar."

You're claiming , that you have never dismissed the results of the "Who Really Cares" study, on the basis that the difference is largely due to giving to churches. You've never once said that? Is that what you're saying I made up? Because every single time I bring up that study, you say something like "that's only because republicans give more to their church..."

I can't read that yellow font., sorry...

too

two as in two guys, I'm worried about you Scott, this obsession with spelling is fogging your brain.

Paul, YOU are the one saying that republicans care less about the poor.and it is reflected in their being more concerned w/low taxes There's no evidence that's true, other than your desperate wish for it to be true. The study I posted shows the 2 sides give about the same, so no big difference.But yet you are the one always saying that cons. give more to charity than liberals! I don't bring up charity - you do!!!

"Conserv. always look down at the poor"

Then please explain the stance taken by each side, regarding school choice. I'll wait.Liberals want to make the public schools stronger. Cons. want the ability to go to private schools and want the cities to subsidize their tuition.

"Tell me where I ever said that.
Your (for Scott) a liar."

You're claiming , that you have never dismissed the results of the "Who Really Cares" study, on the basis that the difference is largely due to giving to churches. You've never once said that? Is that what you're saying I made up? Because every single time I bring up that study, you say something like "that's only because republicans give more to their church..."

You said "since you like to dismiss that because you don't think donating to churches qualifies as charity" I have never said it doesn't count as charity - just that the difference between lib/cons. giving is that cons. give to their church. Some of the studies I posted show that. One thing I learned is that the giving is not to the national church but to the local congregation.

I can't read that yellow font., sorry...
Run your curser over the text. I shouldn't have used yellow

And I think a lot of people lie about how much they give to charity.
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And I think a lot of people lie about how much they give to charity.
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do both republicans and democrats lie about it, or just republicans?

do both republicans and democrats lie about it, or just republicans?

I never said Republicans as I don't know. When I see stats on annual giving I just don't believe the average person gives those amounts.
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two as in two guys, I'm worried about you Scott, this obsession with spelling is fogging your brain.

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And you two are the shinning stars of the right, to funny.


so you meant "two funny"...?

OK....you are worried about me :D

And I think a lot of people lie about how much they give to charity.
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When I see stats on annual giving I just don't believe the average person gives those amounts.
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you could fit in perfectly with the new Brandon IRS Gestapo

do both republicans and democrats lie about it, or just republicans?

everybody except paul is apparently suspect....

everybody except paul is apparently suspect....

No need to lie as I ran most of it through my companies match. Allowed me to itemize my deductions last year *and this year and lower what I owe.

Damn local animal shelter never responded to my companies multiple requests to get an additional $500 match that was sent in for a cousin's sudden passing.

Of course work won't match my church dues/donations

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And you two are the shinning stars of the right, to funny.


so you meant "two funny"...?

OK....you are worried about me :D

I am because you seem to be so devoid of quality activities in your life, you live for the one liner and hopefully a shot at correcting someone who frankly couldn’t care less if auto fill on the computer didn’t fill it in as you intended, all on a web site consisting of a dozen guys. Sad really, maybe there are community programs you can get involved in, could help fill those hours you can’t see new posts to jump on.

I am because you seem to be so devoid of quality activities in your life,

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definitely....:wavey:

Roevember is coming

If you think it won’t happen, look at what happened in Ireland about the abortion issue.
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Run your curser over the text. I shouldn't have used yellow

ok, you say liberals want to deny school choice, and instead make public schools stronger?

the inner city public schools will take a long time to be made stronger, so why not offer choice until those schools are made stronger?

Obvious answer, liberals want to protect their union benefactors, even at the expense of the educational future of those kids. Thats irrefutable.

The poor people in those cities desperately want school choice paul. when school choice is offered, do you think no parents jump at the chance, or do you think demand is high? If you care about poor people, why not let the ones who are currently stuck in crappy schools, choose an alternative that is better for their children? you think it’s better to tell them “don’t worry, some day this school will be better”? That’s better for poor people?

And those schools can’t be made stronger by liberals, because liberals equate “stronger” with more funding. Urban schools
don’t stink because of a lack of spending. We spend a fortune on urban schools in CT. They stink because of the erosion of the family in urban areas, and that’s not a problem that can be fixed by throwing money at it. I wish it were that simple. But it’s not.
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ok, you say liberals want to deny school choice, and instead make public schools stronger?

the inner city public schools will take a long time to be made stronger, so why not offer choice until those schools are made stronger?

Obvious answer, liberals want to protect their union benefactors, even at the expense of the educational future of those kids. Thats irrefutable. What is irrefutable is that you want me to help subsidize your kids going to private school.

The poor people in those cities desperately want school choice paul. when school choice is offered, do you think no parents jump at the chance, or do you think demand is high? If you care about poor people, why not let the ones who are currently stuck in crappy schools, choose an alternative that is better for their children? you think it’s better to tell them “don’t worry, some day this school will be better”? That’s better for poor people?

And those schools can’t be made stronger by liberals, because liberals equate “stronger” with more funding. Urban schools
don’t stink because of a lack of spending. We spend a fortune on urban schools in CT. They stink because of the erosion of the family in urban areas, and that’s not a problem that can be fixed by throwing money at it. I wish it were that simple. But it’s not.
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As soon as you subsidize my ability to join a private country club instead of the local town owned course I might change my mind.

As soon as you subsidize my ability to join a private country club instead of the local town owned course I might change my mind.

really?

As soon as you subsidize my ability to join a private country club instead of the local town owned course I might change my mind.

"What is irrefutable is that you want me to help subsidize your kids going to private school."

ONE HUNDRED percent false. That is literally 100% demonstrable bullsh*t. In my case, I'd like to direct some of MY TAX DOLLARS, to the school of my choice. How is that asking you to subsidize me by even one cent?

In the case of poor people stuck in the cities, now the truth comes out, you accidentally said the quiet part out loud. You claim all day long you want to help these people, and they are begging for more school choice, which you'd deny them, because YOU don't like the idea of any of your money going to a private school. You're OK with your tax dollars subsidizing their crappy (and more expensive)public schools. But you're not OK with your tax dollars subsidizing them to attend quality private schools (often cheaper) that actually work. Please, please tell us how that's helping poor people?

Paul, you'd rather subsidize them to attend lousy schools in Hartford which costs $20k per year per kid, than send them to my kids' tiny Catholic school which has less than 10 kids per class, and costs $5500 per kid for middle school grades? That';s just chock full of common sense.

That's liberalism, boy! "I demand to spend $20k per year of public money on a terrible school, rather than $5500 per year on a terrific school!!"

It's stupid, and it does nothing to help poor people. But more money goes to the unions, which means more money goes to helping democrats win elections. And THAT'S what matters.

You want to fix public schools? Offer school choice. Tell public schools that they now have competition. Do that, and those public schools would make some meaningful improvements in the next 5 seconds (they can't fix the effect of broken families, but they can fix some things, like get rid of lousy teachers). There's zero incentive to do a good job, when you have a perfect monopoly.

You say to poor people "keep voting democrat, and hopefully one day before your kids graduate (or drop out), those schools will improve".

You're telling poor people to suck it up. I'd offer them a huge improvement. Yet you're on the side of the angels. Sure Paul, whatever you say. Nothing but hollow, empty, virtue-signaling rhetoric.

Your country club example is way off, because catholic schools are usually cheaper than the public schools in the cities.

So would you turn down the chance to play at a private country club which had a better course and lower greens fees than your public golf course? Because that's what you're advocating for here. You're advocating to spend a fortune more money, for a vastly inferior product. That just makes all kinds of sense.

he compared an underprivileged kid in a failing school getting the opportunity to get a good education that might lift them out of poverty,,,, to him getting a free membership at a private golf course....

good grief....:huh:

he compared an underprivileged kid in a failing school getting the opportunity to get a good education that might lift them out of poverty,,,, to him getting a free membership at a private golf course....

good grief....:huh:

Yup. But he's the virtuous one. You cannot make that up.

Every once in awhile Scott, they say the quiet part out loud. They want huge numbers of poor people to stay exactly where they are, because the more of them that are in the cities and addicted to welfare, the larger their reliable voting block is.

Choice a - spend $20k per year per student in Hartford public schools, which are failing sh*tholes.

Choice b - spend less than $6k per year to send them to a catholic K-8 school with less than 10 kids per class, and where kids on average perform a full grade level higher than where they are, on standardized tests.

Why is this a difficult choice? Politics. That's it. If you were at all motivated by an actual urge to help these people, that's a ridiculously easy decision.

But unfortunately for those poor people, while school choice will help lift those kids out of poverty, it doesn't help democrats win elections.

The poor people need to form a union. Then the democrats will actually act on their behalf.
The other benefit to this school choice...let's say you pull 10 kids out of Hartford (where you'd spend $20k per kid), and out them in my kids school, which costs $5500 per kid...the public school in Hartford (1) now has fewer kids, thus smaller class sizes, which everyone knows helps kids. And (2) they also have more money, because Hartford schools can keep the $14,500 they were going to spend anyway on each kid who left for private school. If it's 10 kids who leave, thats $145k that Hartford can spend on the remaining kids.

In other words, after those kids leave, the public school can now spend even more money per kid, on the kids who choose to remain there.

Win-win.

he compared an underprivileged kid in a failing school getting the opportunity to get a good education that might lift them out of poverty,,,, to him getting a free membership at a private golf course....

good grief....:huh:

subsidized snarky one, not free

Yup. But he's the virtuous one. You cannot make that up.

Every once in awhile Scott, they say the quiet part out loud. They want huge numbers of poor people to stay exactly where they are, because the more of them that are in the cities and addicted to welfare, the larger their reliable voting block is.

Choice a - spend $20k per year per student in Hartford public schools, which are failing sh*tholes.

Choice b - spend less than $6k per year to send them to a catholic K-8 school with less than 10 kids per class, and where kids on average perform a full grade level higher than where they are, on standardized tests.

Why is this a difficult choice? Politics. That's it. If you were at all motivated by an actual urge to help these people, that's a ridiculously easy decision.

But unfortunately for those poor people, while school choice will help lift those kids out of poverty, it doesn't help democrats win elections.

The poor people need to form a union. Then the democrats will actually act on their behalf.

Indiana's school voucher program started in 2011

The data doesn’t match you fantasy Jim school choice is a red herring being presented as a benefit for inner city blacks . But is aimed a sending white kids to religious schools and having the government pay most of the bill ..
But keep saying it’s about poor people



Whites increased from 40 to 60% and blacks declined 24 to 12%.





For a full voucher, worth 90 percent of what a state would spend in a public school, a family of four can earn no more than $45,000 annually, but students whose parents earn up to $67,000 can still qualify for a half-voucher. And for children already in the program, their family income can rise to nearly $90,000 annually.

Yep helping those who need it most




“If the idea behind a voucher program is we’re going to have the money follow the student, if the student didn’t start in a public school, the money isn’t following them from a public school, it’s just appearing from another budget,” Stewart said. “And we’re not exactly sure where that’s coming from.”
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Indiana's school voucher program started in 2011

The data doesn’t match you fantasy Jim school choice is a red herring being presented as a benefit for inner city blacks . But is aimed a sending white kids to religious schools and having the government pay most of the bill ..
But keep saying it’s about poor people



Whites increased from 40 to 60% and blacks declined 24 to 12%.





For a full voucher, worth 90 percent of what a state would spend in a public school, a family of four can earn no more than $45,000 annually, but students whose parents earn up to $67,000 can still qualify for a half-voucher. And for children already in the program, their family income can rise to nearly $90,000 annually.

Yep helping those who need it most




“If the idea behind a voucher program is we’re going to have the money follow the student, if the student didn’t start in a public school, the money isn’t following them from a public school, it’s just appearing from another budget,” Stewart said. “And we’re not exactly sure where that’s coming from.”
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inner city parents desperately want it. so i guess you’re saying (1) that you know better then they do, what’s best for their kids, and that (2) you aren’t really pro choice.

If you had shown the ability to EVER not tow the union line, you’d have some credibility here. If the unions told you to lay an egg, you’d squat and ask what color.

Oh you don’t like tax breaks for families making as much as $90k?

How about the $7500 tax credit for buying new electric cars? How many poor people are buying new electric cars?

as always, it’s ok when liberals do anything, such as giving. big tax credits to the rich.
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subsidized snarky one, not free

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Originally Posted by scottw View Post
he compared an underprivileged kid in a failing school getting the opportunity to get a good education that might lift them out of poverty,,,, to him getting a subsidized membership at a private golf course....

good grief....



OK...that makes you sound a whole lot better :hs:

The data doesn’t match you fantasy Jim school choice is a red herring being presented as a benefit for inner city blacks . But is aimed a sending white kids to religious schools and having the government pay most of the bill ..
But keep saying it’s about poor people

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correct. that is exactly what it is.

Future "segregation academies"

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he compared an underprivileged kid in a failing school getting the opportunity to get a good education that might lift them out of poverty,,,, to him getting a subsidized membership at a private golf course....

good grief....



OK...that makes you sound a whole lot better :hs:

I'm not thrilled with my town's snow removal. Maybe I can get a subsidy to hire a private contractor to make extra passes on my street when it snows.

Every once in awhile Scott, they say the quiet part out loud.

.

you didn't even have to put words in their mouth like they frequently do with you...

we've learned that he doesn't believe other people are nearly as charitable as they claim and that he believes he is even more charitable than he claims....

and...

that some children should not benefit from a better education opportunity unless he get's his private country club membership subsidized....

fabulous....

and Wayne is saving the planet with an electric toaster....


can't make this stuff up....

Yes, let's make the schools better by taking away funding and the most engaged parents by subsidizing private schools. Makes sense.

Yup. But he's the virtuous one. You cannot make that up.



See you cannot help yourself. No wonder you are an angry person with no friends on this site.

correct. that is exactly what it is.

Future "segregation academies"

I support school choice with strict income caps. Especially in inner cities where schools are the worst. So please explain how that's aimed at sending white kids to better schools. I'm all ears.

you are an angry person with no friends on this site.



when all else fails :rotf2:

See you cannot help yourself. No wonder you are an angry person with no friends on this site.

You are incredible Paul. It was you, not me, who said you like your side because you think they have superior views on helping the poor, and that republicans don't like poor people or something. But when I remind you what you said, I'm angry. Make sense.

when all else fails :rotf2:

Paul: My side has better views on helping the poor and Republicans don't care about poor people.

Jim: you claim your side is the virtuous side

Paul: You're angry and scummy.

And try to control your snarkiness Scott, liberals really don't like it when their logic is exposed to the light of day.

Yes, let's make the schools better by taking away funding and the most engaged parents by subsidizing private schools. Makes sense.

Nope. Follow the math, or have a middle schooler explain the math to you. My idea of school choice leaves public schools with more money to spend per kid. "More money per kid", is the exact opposite of what you claim would happen.

So it's better to punish the "most engaged parents" by leaving them in failing sh*thole schools that you'd never, EVER send your kids to?

How does that help those most engaged parents, Paul? Please explain how denying school choice helps those parents? The ones who happen to be poor, but are doing everything the right way? How does denying them school choice help them?

The only ones hurt by school choice are the teachers left behind in the urban schools (as some of the most teachable students would leave) and the union, and therefore democrats who get $$ from the union. That's it.

I support school choice with strict income caps. Especially in inner cities where schools are the worst. So please explain how that's aimed at sending white kids to better schools. I'm all ears.

Yes, let's make the schools better by taking away funding and the most engaged parents by subsidizing private schools. Makes sense.

told you right there.

Paul: My side has better views on helping the poor and Republicans don't care about poor people.

Jim: you claim your side is the virtuous side

Paul: You're angry and scummy.

And try to control your snarkiness Scott, liberals really don't like it when their logic is exposed to the light of day.

Yup. But he's the virtuous one. You cannot make that up.



You don't even recognize when you insult people any more

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Yup. But he's the virtuous one. You cannot make that up.


You don't even recognize when you insult people any more


that's an insult?

Files copied from voting systems were shared with Trump supporters, election deniers

A Georgia computer forensics firm, hired by the attorneys, placed the files on a server, where company records show they were downloaded dozens of times. Among the downloaders were accounts associated with a Texas meteorologist who has appeared on Sean Hannity’s radio show; a podcaster who suggested political enemies should be executed; a former pro surfer who pushed disproven theories that the 2020 election was manipulated; and a self-described former “seduction and pickup coach” who claims to also have been a hacker.

So let me guess . They are Trumps lawyers but Trump shoulders no responsibility for their actions?

It’s that how it works ?
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You don’t find failing public schools and charter schools in wealthy neighborhoods, do you?

Why would that be?

Because wealthy locales add more burden on to their local taxpayers, who are willing to pay and insist on quality education.
Now Jim and other school choice disciples have no desire to increase funding, instead they want to spread it thinner using vouchers to replace public education funding.
The magical privatization theory, good for schools, prisons, roads, rail, etc.
Wonder why we keep losing ground in the world?
Public schools would have less money to work with because what they used to receive is now a voucher that is handed out.
The only families left behind are those who cannot make up the difference of the voucher (thus, lower-income families) and those with disabled children. Because private schools do not have to take disabled children.

Unfortunately those left behind are the most expensive and it would only get worse.

Now some think that teachers need to just do more for less, because they should feel privileged to be responsible for the education of our greatest asset.
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Public schools would have less money to work with because what they used to receive is now a voucher that is handed out.
The only families left behind are those who cannot make up the difference of the voucher (thus, lower-income families) and those with disabled children. Because private schools do not have to take disabled children.

Unfortunately those left behind are the most expensive and it would only get worse.

Now some think that teachers need to just do more for less, because they should feel privileged to be responsible for the education of our greatest asset.
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And don't forget the issue of fixed/variable cost. If there are fewer students you still need to spend the same for services such as heating the building, provide the same security/guards, etc. You still need to run the same buses, etc. End result is lower $ to provide services while subsidizing students to go to private school. As I said the most engage parents would take their children out while the students w/o engaged parents with the most needs would be left further behind. I guess they would need to lift themselves up by the bootstraps.

As I said the most engage parents would take their children out while the students w/o engaged parents with the most needs would be left further behind. I guess they would need to lift themselves up by the bootstraps.

yes, as you said, you advocate for punishing the few engaged parents, because you believe it’s their job to leave their kids in crappy schools for the benefit of others, rather than let them
flourish in good schools

yet you claim you care more about those parents than i do.

Keep bleating the narrative paul.
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yes, as you said, you advocate for punishing the few engaged parents, because you believe it’s their job to leave their kids in crappy schools for the benefit of others, rather than let them
flourish in good schools

yet you claim you care more about those parents than i do.

Keep bleating the narrative paul.
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The few would leave and benefit while the majority would be still be in the public schools with fewer resources.

It is all about what is best for Jim - screw the less fortunate. Typical Conservate mantra.

The few would leave and benefit while the majority would be still be in the public schools with fewer resources.

It is all about what is best for Jim - screw the less fortunate. Typical Conservate mantra.

"the majority would be still be in the public schools with fewer resources. "

(1) the majority are there anyway. Better to force them all to stay? Or better to help those who want the help?

(2) Fewer overall dollars, but more dollars per student.

(3) competition would incentivize the public school to improve.

"It is all about what is best for Jim"

How does this help me, exactly? I'm not poor in an urban area. I'm already sending my kids to private school. You're saying I'm selfish, because I want to help those engaged parents?

You keep saying you don't want to subsidize private schools, but you're OK with subsidizing public schools, whish are worse and way more expensive?

Finally, it's what they want Paul. I say let them choose what's best for their kids. You'd deny them that choice, yet you claim you're more on their side than I am.

And teh fact that dumping massive amounts of money into lousy urban schools helps democrats win elections, that has nothing to do with the liberal stance on the issue, that's just a happy coincidence for the left.

But you're going to make the urban schools stronger by continuing to throw good money after bad.

Beyond stupid. And likely racist. Keep those darkies where they belong, don't let them into the suburbs. It's better for them, actually, to stay in downtown Hartford. Keep telling yourself that, Einstein.

Beyond stupid. And likely racist. Keep those darkies where they belong, don't let them into the suburbs. It's better for them, actually, to stay in downtown Hartford. Keep telling yourself that, Einstein.

Again, this is why I think you are a classless, friendless person.

Again, this is why I think you are a classless, friendless person.

a whole lot easier for you to insult me, than to make me wrong.

You said it’s selfish that i support school choice for poor people
in urban areas. I asked how that’s selfish, you ignored that obviously and insulted me.

You’re opposed to helping the few engaged parents in that situation who are doing the right thing and desperately want a better future for their kids. you compared educating poor children, to something as extravagant as a country club membership. but i’m the flawed one

Tell me more, please. I’d like to sign up for your low-IQ newsletter.
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Some people are proof that Trump merely acted as the latest conduit for America’s deep natural reserves of #^&#^&#^&#^&tiness.
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Democrat Pat Ryan defeated Republican Marc Molinaro in the special election in #NY19 (R+2 District). Every poll predicted a Republican win by 10-20%.

The women in this country are pissed! RoeVWade

A huge warning sign for Republicans.
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Democrat Pat Ryan defeated Republican Marc Molinaro in the special election in #NY19 (R+2 District). Every poll predicted a Republican win by 10-20%.

The women in this country are pissed! RoeVWade

A huge warning sign for Republicans.
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it was a shocker apparently...democrats almost never win in New York

THE HILL "Ryan will represent the district through January, replacing former Rep. Antonio Delgado (D-N.Y.), who was appointed lieutenant governor earlier this year. Ryan was also projected on Tuesday to win the Democratic nomination for the November election for New York’s newly drawn 18th Congressional District. "

it was a shocker apparently...democrats almost never win in New York

THE HILL "Ryan will represent the district through January, replacing former Rep. Antonio Delgado (D-N.Y.), who was appointed lieutenant governor earlier this year. Ryan was also projected on Tuesday to win the Democratic nomination for the November election for New York’s newly drawn 18th Congressional District. "

Not in that district, silly troll
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Two Florida residents pleaded guilty in a case connected to a stolen diary that reportedly belonged to Ashley Biden, the president’s daughter, and that ended up in the hands of conservative group Project Veritas, portions of which were made public in the weeks before the end of the 2020 presidential campaign.


For 40k. Yep that’s conservatives for you the laptop hell how do you think the Steele dossiers started

The facts tell a different story. The document was written by Steele, a British MI6 agent, at the behest of Fusion GPS, which had been hired initially by conservative Republicans seeking the skinny on Trump. About the time the Republicans lost interest,

Even. Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy, also a member of the intelligence committee, said the dossier didn’t have any effect on the Russia investigation. “I actually don’t think it has any impact on the Russia probe,” Gowdy said on Feb. 4, 2018, on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

But again Truth isn’t what drives that party
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Two Florida residents pleaded guilty in a case connected to a stolen diary that reportedly belonged to Ashley Biden, the president’s daughter, and that ended up in the hands of conservative group Project Veritas, portions of which were made public in the weeks before the end of the 2020 presidential campaign.


For 40k. Yep that’s conservatives for you the laptop hell how do you think the Steele dossiers started

The facts tell a different story. The document was written by Steele, a British MI6 agent, at the behest of Fusion GPS, which had been hired initially by conservative Republicans seeking the skinny on Trump. About the time the Republicans lost interest,

Even. Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy, also a member of the intelligence committee, said the dossier didn’t have any effect on the Russia investigation. “I actually don’t think it has any impact on the Russia probe,” Gowdy said on Feb. 4, 2018, on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

But again Truth isn’t what drives that party
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“that’s conservatives for you.”

2 people
who no one has ever heard of, speak for tens of millions of conservatives.

makes sense

and no registered democrat has ever done anything wrong. not once. nope.
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“that’s conservatives for you.”

2 people
who no one has ever heard of, speak for tens of millions of conservatives.

makes sense

and no registered democrat has ever done anything wrong. not once. nope.
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I don’t know them Coffee boys, they tell me they only brought coffee, many people say so…..
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So, is the GOP melting down right now? You decide.

Of course it’s all people nobody ever heard of….

First, the putative leader of the GOP is calling for the Senate GOP leader to be replaced, immediately.

The leader of the Senate GOP campaign arm, Rick Scott, is being openly accused of financial mismanagement by his peers.

There is an unprecedented and well-funded effort by Republicans to convince other Republicans not to vote Republican.

Liz Cheney will be campaigning with Democrats this fall.

When have we ever seen anything like this?

Today there were signs GOP candidates have been told to start distancing themselves from Trump, MAGA, abortion extremism (LOL!!!!).

GOP House candidate in swing districts scrubbing their sites of Trump endorsement.

The Republican nominee for Arizona Attorney General, 31-year-old AbrahamHamadeh, removed Trump's endorsement from his Twitter bio and background. The endorsement is also no longer on the homepage of his website either.

AZ Senate nominee running screaming from his extremist abortion positions. Another website scrub.

CO GOP state senator switching parties, saying the GOP had become an existential threat.

Jan 6th related investigations spreading.

GOP leaders in AZ, GA, MI, NV, PA, WI have been subpoenaed.

Meadows, Lindsay Graham, other MAGAs being called to testify.

Rudy may get indicted.

Democratic candidates are raising tons of money. R candidates aren't.

And then there is Trump's ongoing criminality, betrayal of the country.

It has become THE GOP news story every day, blocking out all efforts by Rs to reach voters.

And it's likely to get much worse in the weeks ahead.
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There’s a lot of polling on impact of abortion on midterms. But here’s a simple polling test that’s rarely wrong: watch how much money R’s put behind ads praising the ruling vs. how much Dems put attacking. You can’t lie in a campaign about how you spend money & It says it all.
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So, is the GOP melting down right now? You decide.

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I don't know...seems like our SB leftists are the ones melting down with their daily rambling, incoherent, angry and bitter posts....oh sorry, I meant "facts"

based on your assessments....there might be no republicans left by November either dead from covid, arrested for treason or shamed into identifying as democrat :hihi:

you should be happier....

every leftist post here should begin with a preamble...here I'll write it for you all...

"The Universal Leftist Post Preamble"

"You are an angry, snarky person whose life has no meaning and you have no friends, you are clearly racist, sexist, homophobic and transphobic and all the other phobics and you are so stupid and intellectually challenged and undereducated that you actually believe the conspiracy theory that a baby in the womb with a beating heart is ..."life"???, you are also most likely a traitor who hates babies once they ARE born and anyone else who doesn't look like you. Your(or is it You're) existence and opinions are a threat to "our" democracy and your obvious undying loyalty to that criminal trump is all that is wrong with our otherwise crime and violence free society especially in democrat cities where, if there is any crime and violence it's because of the guns "YOU" own. Your very existence is a threat to the planet because you have not sworn allegiance to climate change and like us, made virtue signaling your primary focus and means to improve the environment. You refuse to accept facts as we present them from our expert biased sources no matter how many times we cut and paste them without attribution, it's hard to believe that you actually got a job and your co-workers probably secretly hate you, silly troll, keep drinking your Kool Aid..... ps...if any of this is insulting, you forced us to insult you....you...you...you ultra-maga semi-fascist radicalized cult member......do you ever post anything meaningful or relevant and do you even fish ?"...

:laugha:

I vaguely recall … **every conservative ever** saying that warning of riots in response to legal law enforcement actions (even wrong ones) was entirely unacceptable.

Senator Graham says there will be riots in the streets if Trump is prosecuted.

Why would a US Senator say this? It's the classic threat of organized crime types against prosecutors. "Nice little ___ you've got there. Shame if anything happened to it." Republicans, who've done nothing meaningful, like impeach Trump, after 1-6, now openly condone violence?

Is threatening violence if things don't go their way the new normal for the GOP? Would it work for BLM or groups protesting anti-abortion prosecutions too? Can the GOP also do this if they don't like future election outcomes?

These are no longer just theoretical questions.

And the Trumplican preamble…..

pro-choice = baby killers
marriage equality = hate the family
accurate history = anti-white people

The same people clutching pearls over being called “semi-fascists” have themselves been calling democratic voters “socialists” and “communists” for decades without any concern on whether those labels were entirely fair or callous.
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Is threatening violence if things don't go their way the new normal for the GOP?

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they probably learned it from the democrats....:wave:

sounds like he was actually concerned that there would be riots...not necessarily encouraging it...but I'm sure you will spin it a certain way

"If they tried to prosecute President Trump for mishandling classified information after Hillary Clinton set up a server in her basement there literally will be riots in the street," he said. "I worry about the country." LG

weren't we told during the long summer of love that....."this is what democracy looks like"?

I'm sure the Muppet-In-Chief won't be too divisive on Thursday night :rolleyes:

"If they tried to prosecute President Trump for mishandling classified information after Hillary Clinton set up a server in her basement there literally will be riots in the street," he said. "I worry about the country." LG


Clinton was a govt employee w/clearance communicating with other people w/clearance. 5 documents. Not charged w/ violating the espionage act or obstruction. Fully cooperated-no need for a search warrant.

If you believe what she did was wrong, then Trump is a no-brainer.
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“that’s conservatives for you.”

2 people
who no one has ever heard of, speak for tens of millions of conservatives.

makes sense

and no registered democrat has ever done anything wrong. not once. nope.
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Jim are claiming you claiming never heard of Project Veritas

Their conservatives icons in the act of sleaze

It’s not if you know these people you like many other so called conservatives have no problems with people who think as you

Steal and pass around other people’s property selling it to the highest bidder .. then claiming it would have change the outcome of the election.. such honesty :kewl:

I’ll give credit to the Trump campaign they wouldn’t touch it with a 10 ft pole same with hunters laptop . Hence Rudy’s dirty hands all over itb

Jim are claiming you claiming never heard of Project Veritas

Their conservatives icons in the act of sleaze

It’s not if you know these people you like many other so called conservatives have no problems with people who think as you

Steal and pass around other people’s property selling it to the highest bidder .. then claiming it would have change the outcome of the election.. such honesty :kewl:

I’ll give credit to the Trump campaign they wouldn’t touch it with a 10 ft pole same with hunters laptop . Hence Rudy’s dirty hands all over itb

democrats would never stoop this low:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

7 more Republican leaders endorse Democrat Josh Shapiro for Pennsylvania governor, following news of GOP candidate Doug Mastriano wearing a Confederate military uniform

interesting

Trump Demands 2020 'Rightful Winner' Be Named as FBI Agent Leaves


and the big lie continues

By overturning Roe, the GOP lost all their one-issue voters who didn't really like what they stood for but are pro-life. Lost that whole base overnight instead of fundraising off an unfulfilled promise for another 40 years, and lit a fire under Dems.
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Ann Coulter just put out an article saying “Trump is done.” Laura Ingraham said it’s time to “move on” from Trump. Ben Shapiro said Republicans need to stop “talking about Trump.” The establishment is turning on him before his indictment. Rats scurrying off the sinking MAGAt ship.
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By overturning Roe, the GOP lost all their one-issue voters who didn't really like what they stood for but are pro-life. Lost that whole base overnight instead of fundraising off an unfulfilled promise for another 40 years, and lit a fire under Dems.
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Heard the best explanation of Roe and the GOP

The GOP is like a dog who’s been chasing a car( roe) clueless on what to do next now they caught it..
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Google. “Recession”…..it’s not pretty out there. I think Brandon has a great shot at beating his lowest presidential approval rating of all time mark


“The stock market is plunging and the Fed is giving up on a ‘soft landing’ in favor of a ‘growth recession.’ Buckle up
“It’s a bit like dripping water torture,” KPMG chief economist Diane Swonk told Bloomberg. Meanwhile, LPL's Jeffrey Roach told Fortune that "the Fed is in a tough spot."

BY WILL DANIEL
August 31, 2022
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Scott warns us the democrats are in trouble you can take that to the bank. I wouldn’t bet your life on it, the recession was coming, or at least the impacts of two years of Covid no matter what party took control. In control Biden is governing, passing impactful bills and the other party is wondering what the fu*k they are going to do now that Trump is possibly now not the party leader. I guess all the concern reported by the GOP haven’t been briefed by you, get on it.

^^^^that's a crazy rant :kewl:

Sarah Palin loses special election for Alaska House seat

A proposed state constitutional amendment that could protect abortion rights in Michigan has hit another roadblock on its path to November's ballot. Wednesday, a four-person board deadlocked along partisan lines on whether to send the amendment along to voters this fall.


yep Republicans voted no! afraid to put the question on the ballot

once again they are afraid of the voter! they saw what happened in Kansas

Republicans Blame Ranked-Choice Voting for Sarah Palin Loss: 'A Scam'

classic republicans no respect for the voters

New Election System
In the 2020 General Election, voters approved an initiative to establish a Nonpartisan Pick One Primary Election system and a Ranked Choice Voting General Election system.

"Ranked-choice voting is a scam to rig elections," Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton tweeted on election night. "60 percent of Alaska voters voted for a Republican

tom should read up a bit more on how it works



only republicans would be afraid "Requiring a candidate to get more than 50 percent to be elected isn't a scam; it's sensible. Let's get ranked-choice voting everywhere."

Cotton is sort of right. However gets the most votes in an election should win.

Careful, you’ll get labeled a red hat wearing, MAGA sheep like the rest of us
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Cotton is sort of right. However gets the most votes in an election should win.

That how it works. you can’t win with less than 50% of the vote. If you have more than 2 people running for the same office

So in the end the person with the most votes win
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Conservatism is increasingly defined by denying election results:

See how republicans respond to Sara’s lost

and I love this one

Trump vows pardons, government apology to Capitol rioters if elected

But still won’t say he’s running in 2024
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No authoritarians on the right

Donald Trump called on Republican voters to back Geoff Diehl, his choice for governor in Massachusetts, in Tuesday's GOP primary, while promising the former state representative will "rule with an iron fist."
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Texas judge rules coverage of anti-HIV medicine violates religious freedom

The ruling from U.S. District Judge Reed O’Connor partially resolves a lawsuit brought by Braidwood Management Inc., a Christian for-profit corporation owned by Republican mega-donor Steven Hotze that employs about 70 people.

Hotze claimed that forcing his company to cover pre-exposure prophylaxis drugs, more commonly known as PrEP, under the Affordable Care Act would make the company “facilitate and encourage homosexual behavior.”

https://www.kut.org/politics/2022-09-07/texas-judge-rules-coverage-of-anti-hiv-medicine-violates-religious-freedom


yep freedom for me not for thee :btu:

Don Bolduc: Republicans fret over 'too Trumpy' New Hampshire primary candidate


A veteran of 10 tours of Afghanistan, Mr Bolduc has falsely claimed that coronavirus vaccines contain microchips and that Donald Trump won the 2020 presidential election.

these are the MAGA candidates who were fine in a primary lets see how they fair in a General election:btu:

Lindsey Graham took a flamethrower to every carefully crafted Republican narrative designed to fool voters about their intentions on abortion. The American people can now see very clearly what they intend to do.
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Between row, the continued denial of the election results, you would think smart republicans wouldn’t give democrats more reasons to turn out to vote, but in Plymouth this MAGA nut adds to our incentive with a new banner every other week.

Between row, the continued denial of the election results, you would think smart republicans wouldn’t give democrats more reasons to turn out to vote, but in Plymouth this MAGA nut adds to our incentive with a new banner every other week.

bet he ends up on a terrorist watch list...

bet he ends up on a terrorist watch list...

it's never very clear...

this will help understand the mental illness...
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The "thugs and tyrants" attacking the MAGA movement have awakened a "sleeping giant," former President Donald Trump told his Save America rally in Youngstown, Ohio, on Saturday night, stumping for J.D. Vance, Rep. Jim Jordan, Max Miller, and others.

So now Trump is quoting our enemies from WW2

Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, who planned the attack on Pearl Harbor

Such leadership

The "thugs and tyrants" attacking the MAGA movement have awakened a "sleeping giant," former President Donald Trump told his Save America rally in Youngstown, Ohio, on Saturday night, stumping for J.D. Vance, Rep. Jim Jordan, Max Miller, and others.

So now Trump is quoting our enemies from WW2

Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, who planned the attack on Pearl Harbor

Such leadership

You assume he even has a knowledge of history, he probably doesn’t even know who or when those words were spoken.

You assume he even has a knowledge of history, he probably doesn’t even know who or when those words were spoken.

which would mean he probably wasn't quoting our enemies from WW2 like wayne suggested?...or cut and pasted....

which would mean he probably wasn't quoting our enemies from WW2 like wayne suggested?...or cut and pasted....

So you confirm either way Trump is stupid to use those words, thanks for the help oh snarky one.

So you confirm either way Trump is stupid to use those words, thanks for the help oh snarky one.

Not what I said dumb ass…
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Irony escapes them

PA MAGA Gov nominee Doug Mastriano rally: “Put your right hand in the air … America will have a new birth of liberty.”
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Not what I said dumb ass…
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Duh no sh*t, but I flipped it around to poke fun at you, so who is the dumb arse.

More bad news for Trump: a new Gallup Poll shows his popularity SUNK from 49% in May to 38% today.

However, His popularity among the Republican cult rose from 85% to 91%.
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but I flipped it around

.

you should avoid those types of gymnastics, you just fall down, hurt yourself and look foolish :doh:

More bad news for Trump: a new Gallup Poll shows his popularity SUNK from 49% in May to 38% today.


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this is shocking given the daily pounding he's received from the press & co since May ....

still hard to believe that someone who stole and tried to sell or possibly even sold out nations most sensitive nuclear secrets, secrets so sensitive even the top keepers of our nuclear secrets were not given access...is still running around making speeches and has not been arrested :bl:

this is shocking given the daily pounding he's received from the press & co since May ....
:bl:

Yep it’s the media’s fault. typical view of the faithful

Overtly embracing QAnon's conspiracy theories, former US President Donald Trump reposted an image of himself wearing a Q lapel pin overlaid with the words “the storm is coming.”

Yep nothing to see or be concerned with

Republicans in key battleground races refuse to say they will accept results
Of the 19 GOP candidates questioned by The Washington Post, a dozen declined to answer or refused to commit. Democrats all said they would respect the results.

Herschel Walker is telling voters, ‘I’m not that smart’

I’m a country boy,” the former football player said. “I’m not that smart. He’s a preacher. [Warnock] is smart and wears these nice suits. So, he is going to show up and embarrass me at the debate Oct. 14, and I’m just waiting to show up and I will do my best.”

Seem he also knows anyone voting for Him ain’t that smart either:btu:

It's official: The Republican Party's top two 2024 Presidential candidates, Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis, are now under criminal investigation.
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Overtly embracing QAnon's conspiracy theories



have they arrested Q yet?

It's official: The Republican Party's top two 2024 Presidential candidates, Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis, are now under criminal investigation.
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democraps should arrest everyone they don't want to run against...

democraps should arrest everyone they don't want to run against...

Donald Trump’s arrest will have a very calming effect on the nation. Everyday Americans deserve to know that the rule of law applies to even the most privileged and powerful — especially when they commit crimes in broad daylight. Indicting Trump will create national peace.
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Donald Trump’s arrest will have a very calming effect on the nation.

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I hope you get your wish....

democraps should arrest everyone they don't want to run against...

Let me guess. you don’t know who coined the phrase lock her up.:btu:

have they arrested Q yet?

I guess you don’t understand how the law works .. or who thinks he’s above the law .. and a Judge is actually entertaining Trumps team legal fantasy’s

It’s funny what you believe and what you don’t .. who knows you may be Q

.. who knows you may be Q



maybe for Halloween :uhuh:

Let me guess. you don’t know who coined the phrase lock her up.:btu:

it was just a suggestion....

We'll be adding 2023 to this list soon enough :hihi:

We'll be adding 2023 to this list soon enough :hihi:

Let’s talk about the most glaring aspect of this: the growing Republican refusal to accept results.
Or why

This trend doesn’t seem to be fading. Polls routinely show that about 60 to 70 percent of Republicans say they think or suspect that Joe Biden wasn’t legitimately elected president.

But you won’t
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Couple months ago, I was sure the GOP would pick up 50 house seats and probably not pick up the Senate. Now it looks like they'll win maybe a single-digit number of house seats and are more likely to win the senate than I thought, but not much of a red wave no matter how you slice it.

Americans think the democrats aren't the right folks for the job, and don't think the GOP are the ones to take over. In a rational world, both parties would go back to the drawing board and re-think things. But nope. Louder shrieking and more radical extremists on both sides.

Republicans will "conduct rigorous oversight" and "require the White House to answer for its incompetence at home and abroad," with plans to hold hearings on: the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, the U.S. withdrawal of Afghanistan, the Justice Department's investigation into former President Donald Trump and the alleged illegal possession of classified documents at his Florida estate.

Yep that’s all they will do is dog and pony shows to feed their sick base
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Republicans will "conduct rigorous oversight" and "require the White House to answer for its incompetence at home and abroad," with plans to hold hearings on: the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, the U.S. withdrawal of Afghanistan, the Justice Department's investigation into former President Donald Trump and the alleged illegal possession of classified documents at his Florida estate.

Yep that’s all they will do is dog and pony shows to feed their sick base
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it’s “sick” to want to find out how covid actually started? Sounds like you’re scared that guy won’t be able to blame it on trump if the truth comes out.

it’s “sick” to want to find out how covid actually started? Sounds like you’re scared that guy won’t be able to blame it on trump if the truth comes out.

Spoken like a true cult conspiracy theorist

If the The truth comes out


What you actually mean is if your Truth and the Maga hordes Truth comes out …

Sorry that’s not Truth. that’s just wanting to be told something you already believe. Of course with zero evidence

By the way Trump was blamed not for Covid but his response to Covid

Again plz don’t let that Truth get in the way
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Even the U.S. intelligence community during the Trump administration discounted the suggestion that SARS-CoV-2 was “manmade.” The report requested by Biden, which sought input from several groups in the intelligence community, similarly concludes that the virus “was probably not genetically engineered.” (It also said there was “broad agreement” that it “was not developed as a biological weapon.”)


https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Declassified-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf

many scientists say the existing evidence—including early epidemiological patterns, SARS-CoV-2’s genomic makeup, and a recent paper about animal markets in Wuhan—makes it far more probable that the virus, like many emerging pathogens, made a natural “zoonotic” jump from animals to humans.

Must all be a deep state lie
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Spoken like a true cult conspiracy theorist


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you realize that in every post you write you just repeat the same words over and over.....:conf:....careful, if you repeat something often enough people might actually start believing you :hihi:...you might have your own cult on you hands....you could call it WAGA ....."woke-angry-grammatically challenged-Americans"

you realize that in every post you write you just repeat the same words over and over.....:conf:....careful, if you repeat something often enough people might actually start believing you :hihi:...you might have your own cult on you hands....you could call it WAGA ....."woke-angry-grammatically challenged-Americans"


Are you butt hurt are you a snowflake.. you’re just another man child who loves to throw digs

But can’t handle them in return.

You never say anything you never mean anything you never take a position on anything .

You’re this forms only. Non-binary
Contributor

It’s funny I’ve seen commie and socialists throw around here for years from the same people

Who are upset to be called Cult member.. aka Trump faithful followers

Why is that ..
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Nothing says I’m NOT a "woke-angry-grammatically challenged-American" quite like making a woke-angry-grammatically challenged post
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it’s “sick” to want to find out how covid actually started? Sounds like you’re scared that guy won’t be able to blame it on trump if the truth comes out.

Just another money wasting nonproductive investigation by the right, so far they’ve found a BJ (Clinton), nothing (Benghazi) and nothing (Durham)
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Nothing says I’m NOT a "woke-angry-grammatically challenged-American" quite like making a woke-angry-grammatically challenged post
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Another small minded troll. Is more upset, about others grammatical errors . Then the Trump cult threats to democracy..

It speaks volumes
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Just another money wasting nonproductive investigation by the right, so far they’ve found a BJ (Clinton), nothing (Benghazi) and nothing (Durham)
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Jim of course didn’t read the Report that was conducted. Nor does he believe it..it’s findings

Because that report doesn’t agree with his right wing version of events
Of the China Virus
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Another small minded troll. Is more upset, about others grammatical errors . Then the Trump cult threats to democracy..

It speaks volumes
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*Than
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Jim of course didn’t read the Report that was conducted. Nor does he believe it..it’s findings

Because that report doesn’t agree with his right wing version of events
Of the China Virus
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which report don’t i believe?

wayne, we’re all still waiting for you to tell us one single issue in which you disagree with the democrats?

Bill Clinton was impeached and disbarred. Was that a nothing urgent? He’s also still a hero in the left, because the left is fine when people
on its own side are immoral. Morality only matters when republicans misbehave.

Latest loss shows trump agreed if biden in a 2024 rematch.

And how many investigations have there been of trump which led to nothing?

which report don’t i believe?

wayne, we’re all still waiting for you to tell us one single issue in which you disagree with the democrats?

Bill Clinton was impeached and disbarred. Was that a nothing urgent? He’s also still a hero in the left, because the left is fine when people
on its own side are immoral. Morality only matters when republicans misbehave.

Latest loss shows trump agreed if biden in a 2024 rematch.

And how many investigations have there been of trump which led to nothing?


what report classic response the link is right in my response


FYI this topic has zero to do with Dems or Republicans


Getting a blow job and trying to overthrow a National election in your world once again are seen as equal

the intellectual dishonesty is amazing


Donors spending millions on Trump's legal battles

Save America has paid more than $1.12m this year alone to law firms hired to defend Mr Trump in the New York case. As a so-called "Leadership PAC", it can use money to pay for expenses that cannot be funded by campaign committees, such as some personal travel or some leadership expenses.

The website of Save America's Joint Fundraising Committee - which contributes both to Save America and a second Trump PAC, Make America Great Again - makes no mention of legal bills, saying only that "the future of our Country [sic] is at stake and President Trump is calling on all Patriots to join his fight to Save America".

Of the $1.12m spent, more than $942,000 has gone to the firm of Alina Habba, a New Jersey-based attorney who has doubled as a Trump spokeswoman.

Another lawyer, New York-based Alan Futerfas, received nearly $185,000 in July. Mr Futerfas is representing Mr Trump's children - Don Jr, Ivanka, and Eric - in the New York fraud case.



And how many investigations have there been of trump which led to nothing? jim they have all lead to convictions Just not His ..

but keep convincing yourself there is nothing to see Trumps an honorable Man

what report classic response the link is right in my response


FYI this topic has zero to do with Dems or Republicans


Getting a blow job and trying to overthrow a National election in your world once again are seen as equal

the intellectual dishonesty is amazing


Donors spending millions on Trump's legal battles

Save America has paid more than $1.12m this year alone to law firms hired to defend Mr Trump in the New York case. As a so-called "Leadership PAC", it can use money to pay for expenses that cannot be funded by campaign committees, such as some personal travel or some leadership expenses.

The website of Save America's Joint Fundraising Committee - which contributes both to Save America and a second Trump PAC, Make America Great Again - makes no mention of legal bills, saying only that "the future of our Country [sic] is at stake and President Trump is calling on all Patriots to join his fight to Save America".

Of the $1.12m spent, more than $942,000 has gone to the firm of Alina Habba, a New Jersey-based attorney who has doubled as a Trump spokeswoman.

Another lawyer, New York-based Alan Futerfas, received nearly $185,000 in July. Mr Futerfas is representing Mr Trump's children - Don Jr, Ivanka, and Eric - in the New York fraud case.



And how many investigations have there been of trump which led to nothing? jim they have all lead to convictions Just not His ..

but keep convincing yourself there is nothing to see Trumps an honorable Man

"FYI this topic has zero to do with Dems or Republicans"

Right, you're never partisan. Never.

"Getting a blow job and trying to overthrow a National election in your world once again are seen as equal "

It wasn't the BJ. It was that he lied about it under oath, that's why he got impeached and disbarred. My god, do you know ANY facts?

"eep convincing yourself there is nothing to see Trumps an honorable Man"

Show us where I ever said anything like that.

"the intellectual dishonesty is amazing "

Let's see. In just your one post here, you lied and said Bills crime was the BJ instead of lying infer oath. And you lied when you said I defend Trump as honorable, when I never even came close to saying that.

Who's the intellectually dishonest one? How many times do TDF and I ask you to stop your constant practice of claiming that others say things they never said?

Give us a break.

"FYI this topic has zero to do with Dems or Republicans"

Right, you're never partisan. Never.

"Getting a blow job and trying to overthrow a National election in your world once again are seen as equal "

It wasn't the BJ. It was that he lied about it under oath, that's why he got impeached and disbarred. My god, do you know ANY facts?

"eep convincing yourself there is nothing to see Trumps an honorable Man"

Show us where I ever said anything like that.

"the intellectual dishonesty is amazing "

Let's see. In just your one post here, you lied and said Bills crime was the BJ instead of lying infer oath. And you lied when you said I defend Trump as honorable, when I never even came close to saying that.

Who's the intellectually dishonest one? How many times do TDF and I ask you to stop your constant practice of claiming that others say things they never said?

Give us a break.

I’ll stop claiming TDF or Scott said a or B. when they decide to actually say something !! Let’s start with that

Clinton was impeached… suddenly that means something? That’s funny
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I’ll stop claiming TDF or Scott said a or B. when they decide to actually say something !! Let’s start with that

Clinton was impeached… suddenly that means something? That’s funny
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Just stop lying about what others are saying, and you'll be taken more seriously.

I brought up Clinton's impeachment because you clearly had no idea what happened. It wasn't the BJ. It was lying about it under oath. That was his crime. The the democrats all voted to exonerate him, because lying under oath is apparently OK when a democrat does it.

Then, the woman you voted for in 2016, went on national TV and slut-shamed the victims of her husband, a serial predator of women. She married a predator, she lied to protect him, then slut-shamed his victims. But Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas are the real monsters...

And the S&P 500 is now down for the duration of Biden's term. Of course none of it is his fault.

""Getting a blow job and trying to overthrow a National election in your world once again are seen as equal "

When did I say that? Again, lying about what was said.

Here's what's equal, when Trump tries to overthrow a national election he lost in 2020, and congressional democrats trying to overthrow a national election they lost in 2016. That's the same thing. But you say it's OK when the democrats do it. Only a problem when Republicans do it,

the BRANDON RECESSION is going to be fun.....:kewl:

I’ll stop claiming TDF or Scott said a or B. when they decide to actually say something !! Let’s start with that

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:rtfm::hihi:

How Kevin McCarthy’s political machine worked to sway the GOP field
Allies spent millions in a sometimes secretive effort to weed out candidates who could cause the House leader trouble or jeopardize GOP victories in November

Such honesty from Kevin using one hand to undermine threats while waving the Maga flag in the other
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Just stop lying about what others are saying, and you'll be taken more seriously.

I brought up Clinton's impeachment because you clearly had no idea what happened. It wasn't the BJ. It was lying about it under oath. That was his crime. The the democrats all voted to exonerate him, because lying under oath is apparently OK when a democrat does it.

Then, the woman you voted for in 2016, went on national TV and slut-shamed the victims of her husband, a serial predator of women. She married a predator, she lied to protect him, then slut-shamed his victims. But Brett Kavanaugh and Clarence Thomas are the real monsters...

And the S&P 500 is now down for the duration of Biden's term. Of course none of it is his fault.

""Getting a blow job and trying to overthrow a National election in your world once again are seen as equal "

When did I say that? Again, lying about what was said.

Here's what's equal, when Trump tries to overthrow a national election he lost in 2020, and congressional democrats trying to overthrow a national election they lost in 2016. That's the same thing. But you say it's OK when the democrats do it. Only a problem when Republicans do it,

I’ll give you credit you are a broken record of false equivalences greatest Hits
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Republicans: "Mass shootings aren't a gun issue, they're a mental health issue! We must fund mental health services!"

Also Republicans: 205 Republicans vote against School-Based Mental Health Services
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I’ll give you credit you are a broken record of false equivalences greatest Hits
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“false equivalence” and “what about-ism” are what you say when you can’t refute my words wayne.

“false equivalence” and “what about-ism” are what you say when you can’t refute my words wayne.

Lies don’t need to be refuted thats why they are called lies ..

Ted Cruz the Senate shouldn’t Garland and the FBI on trial

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/garland-doj-abuse/2022/09/29/id/1089683/

More desperation from Ted showing his willingness and that of Republican Party
To engage more lies and fabrication to feed their mindless base

Lies don’t need to be refuted thats why they are called lies ..

What lie did I tell? You think something is a lie, merely because you don't like hearing it?

I posted multiple links. A small number of congressional democrats in the House, tried to overturn the 2016 election. They never got any traction, but that's what they tried to do, and they used fake claims of racism to pull it off.

That's. What. Happened.

What lie did I tell? You think something is a lie, merely because you don't like hearing it?

I posted multiple links. A small number of congressional democrats in the House, tried to overturn the 2016 election. They never got any traction, but that's what they tried to do, and they used fake claims of racism to pull it off.

That's. What. Happened.

We all know what the lie is Jim you just refuse to Admit it..

And that lie is your never ending mission to suggest what happened 2020 and still happening today are remotely the same

Only you think a Yugo and Ferrari Portofino are the same because they have 4 wheels.

more than 70 percent of Americans still regard Jan. 6 as a bad or tragic day for America, including 60 percent of Republicans, but there is still a stark partisan divide on more specific aspects of the Jan. 6 attack that shows many Republicans still minimize its importance.

For instance, even though an average of 63 percent of Americans across four recent polls1 supported the congressional investigation into the day’s events, an average of 59 percent of Republicans opposed it. In the same vein, 56 percent of respondents to a YouGov/University of Massachusetts poll from Dec. 14-20 thought it was important that we learn more about what happened on Jan. 6, but 75 percent of Republicans said that it was time to move on.

Republicans also tend to use kinder language to describe the events of Jan. 6 and its participants. For example, YouGov/the University of Massachusetts found that 62 percent of Republicans used the word “protesters” to describe the people who broke into the Capitol, while only 31 percent called them “rioters” and 10 percent called them “insurrectionists.” An above-average 26 percent even called them “patriots.”

And don’t forget 70% of Republicans think the election was stolen

Refute that..

What lie did I tell? You think something is a lie, merely because you don't like hearing it?

I posted multiple links. A small number of congressional democrats in the House, tried to overturn the 2016 election. They never got any traction, but that's what they tried to do, and they used fake claims of racism to pull it off.

That's. What. Happened.

Stay tuned Jim will beat that dead horse to death.

just a reminder that trump is no longer president and that the doddering muppet currently pretending to be president is babbling nonsense daily and calling in the crowd for people he knows are recently deceased as he wanders around confused...

remember when the democraps, media and our local leftists were insistent that trump had dementia, desperately needed a cognitive test and should be removed from office because he slurred a single word.....???

just a reminder that trump is no longer president and that the doddering muppet currently pretending to be president is babbling nonsense daily and calling in the crowd for people he knows are recently deceased as he wanders around confused...

remember when the democraps, media and our local leftists were insistent that trump had dementia, desperately needed a cognitive test and should be removed from office because he slurred a single word.....???

Get back to us when a Biden try’s to Stalin a election I mean steal an election or he side’s with Putin or takes classified documents then claims he can declassified with his mind. Or lies more than he tells the Truth..

Seems you have a twisted view of character. You never cried this much when Trump was POTUS

Was is that
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Stay tuned Jim will beat that dead horse to death.

Jim likes to hang his hat on Lowest common denominator with comparisons like Yugo and a Ferrari . Yelling how did I lie their both cars and have 4 wheels

while Ignoring all the finer details that actual show how different they were made, who was involved why they were involved and what lengths they went to archive their objective

He stops at 4 wheels
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Stay tuned Jim will beat that dead horse to death.

you tell me why it’s ok when democrats do it, i’ll stop bringing it up. how’s that.i keep asking wayne, he keeps dodging. you up for explaining why it’s ok when a handful of democrats try to overturn an election they lost, but the end of democracy when trump does it?

Told you Wayne.

Told you Wayne.

It's not like it surprised anybody
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Told you Wayne.

no shortage of candidates for this award around here.....

Lowest common denominator

Yelling how did I lie their both cars and have 4 wheels

while Ignoring all the finer details

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gold :spin:

Jim likes to hang his hat on Lowest common denominator with comparisons like Yugo and a Ferrari . Yelling how did I lie their both cars and have 4 wheels

while Ignoring all the finer details that actual show how different they were made, who was involved why they were involved and what lengths they went to archive their objective

He stops at 4 wheels
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no, you stop at 4 wheels. i specified what they did and what their goal
was. You’re trying to argue that because the details are different, that means they weren’t trying to overturn an election.

How’s this for stopping too soon? you bash rubio and desantis for voting against hurricane aid, but you conveniently fail to mention that they did so because of all the unrelated pork that scumbag politicians snuck in there. That’s not deceptive? Trying to imply that they don’t care about hurricane victims?

no two events are alike in every detail. that doesn’t mean that congressional democrats didn’t try to overturn a free and fair election in 2016.

You engage in what about-ism all the time, you do it constantly. but it’s always ok when you do it.

I’ve asked 50 ones what makes you different from a cultist, 50 times to detail why democrats didn’t try to overturn that election. you never respond except with vague insults.

You criticize me for stopping to soon, when all you do is lib baseless insults and cry “what about-ism”.

There’s nothing the same about Trumplicans political rhetoric

Trumps probable Vice Presidential candidate Marjorie Taylor Greene: "I am not going to mince words with you all. Democrats want Republicans dead and they have already started the killings."

This rhetoric is dangerous and unacceptable.

The term for this sort of rhetoric is “accusation in a mirror,” and scholars of genocide identify it as a major warning sign when political leaders start talking like this.

But the poor victim will find a whatabout
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There’s nothing the same about Trumplicans political rhetoric

Trumps probable Vice Presidential candidate Marjorie Taylor Greene: "I am not going to mince words with you all. Democrats want Republicans dead and they have already started the killings."

This rhetoric is dangerous and unacceptable.

The term for this sort of rhetoric is “accusation in a mirror,” and scholars of genocide identify it as a major warning sign when political leaders start talking like this.

But the poor victim will find a whatabout
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where did you hear that she’s the probable running mate? i’d love to see where you got that.

meanwhile bidens actual running mate sucked her way to the top, put drug users in prison while laughing about her own drug use, and is a cackling, unserious clown.

And Biden said republicans want blacks back in chains. so like everything else, outrageous lies are fine when democrats tell them.

Trumps probable Vice Presidential candidate Marjorie Taylor Greene:

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according to you he's a lock to be in jail for life until he's executed...soooo...guess we don't have to worry about this scenario

where did you hear that she’s the probable running mate? i’d love to see where you got that.

meanwhile bidens actual running mate sucked her way to the top, put drug users in prison while laughing about her own drug use, and is a cackling, unserious clown.

And Biden said republicans want blacks back in chains. so like everything else, outrageous lies are fine when democrats tell them.


where did you hear that she’s the probable running mate

There you go again ! Petes point went right over your head ? And you ignored Greene’s words typical

Yet your response is nothing short of deflection and of course misogynistic hallmarks of a true fill in the blanks C. T. M. R

outrageous lies are fine when democrats tell them.



this is true....

this is true....

nice to have a VP say that hurricane relief will be based on
gender and equity.

you elect a cackling, low iq pole dancer, this is what you get.

you elect a cackling, low iq pole dancer, this is what you get.

Classy, but I'm not surprised.
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Classy, but I'm not surprised.
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yes yes, but calling someone a #^&#^&#^&#^& for accurately pointing out the reason why someone voted a certain way) that actually is classy! When you start the vulgarities….no problemo.


She’s a skank paul, who slept her way to the top while coming up in the CA ranks. It’s true whether you happen to like it it not. And she constantly humiliates herself, probably like Palin would have had McCain won, because she’s nowhere near up for this. She’s an absolute laughingstock.

When you start the vulgarities….no problemo.


She’s a skank paul, who slept her way to the top while coming up in the CA ranks. It’s true whether you happen to like it it not. And she constantly humiliates herself, probably like Palin would have had McCain won, because she’s nowhere near up for this. She’s an absolute laughingstock.

Poor victim, just think the Democrats can use Trump's legal arguments and have Kamala Harris decide for herself who wins in 2024.
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this is true....

outrageous lies are fine when democrats tell them.

To bad you 2 never post actual lies you just make stuff up calling it a lie

Which in fact , is called a LIE . And you live in reality :bs:

outrageous lies are fine when democrats tell them.

To bad you 2 never post actual lies you just make stuff up calling it a lie

Which in fact , is called a LIE . And you live in reality :bs:

stacey abrams saying that her previous election was stolen due to racism, Biden saying republicans want to put blacks back in chains, all democrats saying that conservatives want to treat women like cattle, you denying that democrats tried to undermine Trump’s 2016 win…these are all laughable, outrageous lies. but you cannot admit it, because you can’t admit anything that doesn’t serve your side.

stacey abrams saying that her previous election was stolen due to racism, Biden saying republicans want to put blacks back in chains, all democrats saying that conservatives want to treat women like cattle, you denying that democrats tried to undermine Trump’s 2016 win…these are all laughable, outrageous lies. but you cannot admit it, because you can’t admit anything that doesn’t serve your side.

“I’m not going to mince words with you all,” Greene said. “Democrats want Republicans dead, and they’ve already started the killings.”
She gave two purported examples. One was the young man run over and killed in North Dakota by, as she framed it, “a Democrat driver who confessed to killing the teenager simply because he was a Republican.” The other was a woman in Michigan who was shot while “advocating for the unborn,” as Greene put it.
“Joe Biden has declared every freedom-loving American an enemy of the state,” she added.


But but the fat black lady said
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“a Democrat driver who confessed to killing the teenager simply because he was a Republican.” The other was a woman in Michigan who was shot while “advocating for the unborn,” as Greene put it.
“Joe Biden has declared every freedom-loving American an enemy of the state,” she added.


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democrats are great...watch till the end...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGnE83A1Z4U

“I’m not going to mince words with you all,” Greene said. “Democrats want Republicans dead, and they’ve already started the killings.”
She gave two purported examples. One was the young man run over and killed in North Dakota by, as she framed it, “a Democrat driver who confessed to killing the teenager simply because he was a Republican.” The other was a woman in Michigan who was shot while “advocating for the unborn,” as Greene put it.
“Joe Biden has declared every freedom-loving American an enemy of the state,” she added.


But but the fat black lady said
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cod you’re going to point to a conservative nut job extremist and claim
she represents all republicans, then i can do the same.

Hilary said republicans are deplorable, Biden said we want to put blacks back in chains, Ihan Omar said 9/11 was some people who did something and that jews are all about the benjamin’s. AOC every time she opens her stupid fat red mouth, Hank Johnson said Guam
is going to tip over, how many examples do you want?! there are some looks and jerks on both sides. I have news for you, you’re as extremist as anyone in the right. The left is never,,ever wrong to you, no matter what. it doesn’t matter to you what someone says or does, all that matters is which side they’re ion. if they’re on the left, everything they say and do is good. no matter what. go ahead and deny that’s your view of the world.

you have nut jobs on your side too. you just won’t admit it.

you have nut jobs on your side too. you just won’t admit it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB52NEPJxUs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB52NEPJxUs

the left is flawless, perfect. The right is defined not by dan crenshaw or Tim Scott, but only by Marjorie Taylor Green. She IS the GOP, every single republican loves her and is accountable for what she says.

And no democrat has ever been immoral. the world is exactly that simple.

cod you’re going to point to a conservative nut job extremist and claim
she represents all republicans

This reckless demagogue was invited by GOPLeader to join him recently when the House GOP agenda was released. RepMTG is no fringe figure among House Republicans. They're proud to have her as a prominent member of the team. And none, I wager, will criticize her for this.

It won’t be long before the defacto leader of the Republican Party announces her as his VP.

If you think that’s improbable, remember when a reality tv star took an escalator ride and the political consensus about him.
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This reckless demagogue was invited .....

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how many times did sharpton visit the white house?

remember when a reality tv star took an escalator ride

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remember when a muppet fell up the stairs, off the bike, shook hands with nobody repeatedly, asked a guy in a wheelchair to stand up and a recently deceased woman to respond to his call.....:kewl:

stacey abrams saying that her previous election was stolen...

and fetal heartbeats are manufactured to fool mothers into thinking that's a life....she's the bestest and brightest:laugha:

how many times did sharpton visit the white house?

as often as the tour guides. Obama openly said Sharpton was his “point man” on race relations.

Hooray!

remember when a muppet fell up the stairs, off the bike, shook hands with nobody repeatedly, asked a guy in a wheelchair to stand up and a recently deceased woman to respond to his call.....:kewl:

now he’s “sort of Puerto Rican”…

Stand up, Chuck! Chuck, stand up!

Forgot about that one!!

“I’m not going to mince words with you all,” Greene said. “Democrats want Republicans dead, and they’ve already started the killings.”
She gave two purported examples. One was the young man run over and killed in North Dakota by, as she framed it, “a Democrat driver who confessed to killing the teenager simply because he was a Republican.” The other was a woman in Michigan who was shot while “advocating for the unborn,” as Greene put it.
“Joe Biden has declared every freedom-loving American an enemy of the state,” she added.


But but the fat black lady said
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who said fat, besides you? did someone bring that up? or are you, as usual, pretending that someone said something they never said?

who said fat, besides you? did someone bring that up? or are you, as usual, pretending that someone said something they never said?

Keep playing dumb just like Scott . We all know where you dumpster dive for your “ information “


And good job again doing what you do best.. suggesting Hillary calling Republicans deplorable ( which is right on the mark. Just look at some of your posts ). And what Greene said

Yep they are exactly the same :thanks:

how many times did sharpton visit the white house?

When did he get elected?
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Keep playing dumb just like Scott . We all know where you dumpster dive for your “ information “


And good job again doing what you do best.. suggesting Hillary calling Republicans deplorable ( which is right on the mark. Just look at some of your posts ). And what Greene said

Yep they are exactly the same :thanks:

you brought up fat.

i asked who you responded to.

that makes me dumb? for pointing out that you’re responding to something that no one said?


oh! so the nasty generalizations that democrats make aren’t bad things to say, because they’re true! gotcha

yeah you’re never insulting wayne.

Putin is losing to Ukraine.

The ayatollahs may be losing to the people of Iran.

Trump may be losing to the Justice Department.

Republicans seem to be losing control of the 2022 elections.

I’m still worried, but 2022 could be a good year for liberty and democracy.

Of course, we will hear screaming from the right because Conservatism, by definition, is about conserving traditional (and often, outdated) values. So, I would argue that at its core, conservatism requires being unhappy with the way things are today. It is literally rooted in misery by definition.
I’m sure the poor victim has one survey to rebut that…..
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Putin is losing to Ukraine.

The ayatollahs may be losing to the people of Iran.

Trump may be losing to the Justice Department.

Republicans seem to be losing control of the 2022 elections.

I’m still worried, but 2022 could be a good year for liberty and democracy.

Of course, we will hear screaming from the right because Conservatism, by definition, is about conserving traditional (and often, outdated) values. So, I would argue that at its core, conservatism requires being unhappy with the way things are today. It is literally rooted in misery by definition.
I’m sure the poor victim has one survey to rebut that…..
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you were banned from starting threads here because of how obsessed and deranged you are. So who’s unhappy?

People are fleeing blue states for red states ( and often to mexico) in search of a better life. Why is that?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/happiness-by-age-location-and-political-affiliation

Iran protests: Supreme leader blames unrest on US and Israel


Trump and his supporters blaming the FBI and the deep state for Trumps lost.

Seems they have a lot in common

you brought up fat.

i asked who you responded to.

that makes me dumb? for pointing out that you’re responding to something that no one said?


oh! so the nasty generalizations that democrats make aren’t bad things to say, because they’re true! gotcha

yeah you’re never insulting wayne.


No Jim I just brought it up a usual comments from the MAGA universe about Abrams similar comments made towards Miichele Obama .another black women you may have heard about

which you claim you know nothing about .. it happens to be the the same place we’re you got the VP blew her way to the top.

please spare me you fake indignation…. ( I never called her Fat lol) never said you did Mr misogyny

No Jim I just brought it up a usual comments from the MAGA universe about Abrams similar comments made towards Miichele Obama .another black women you may have heard about

which you claim you know nothing about .. it happens to be the the same place we’re you got the VP blew her way to the top.

please spare me you fake indignation…. ( I never called her Fat lol) never said you did Mr misogyny

oh…and there are non usual nasty remarks from the progressive universe? they are always respectful to black republicans, to those who are pro life, etc.

My god man what planet do you live on? There are kooks, liars, jerks, crooks on both sides. Neither side has anything close to a monopoly of bad behavior.

Harry Reid was the majority leader of the senate. When romney was running, Reid said Romney was a tax cheat. after the election, it was shown that romney paid his taxes. someone asked harry reid if he felt sorry for lying about Romney, and Reid said no, because the democrats won the election. That was the senate majority leader, much more powerful than MTG will ever be ( I hope) and he was a hate filled, lying lunatic. And there are plenty of people
like him on both sides. Politicians in general are loathsome.

You’re as brainwashed as anyone i’ve ever come across.

No Jim I just brought it up a usual comments from the MAGA universe about Abrams similar comments made towards Miichele Obama .another black women you may have heard about

which you claim you know nothing about .. it happens to be the the same place we’re you got the VP blew her way to the top.

please spare me you fake indignation…. ( I never called her Fat lol) never said you did Mr misogyny

i’ve never heard anyone say michelle slept her way to the top ( i’m sure some jerks have said it, never heard it with any credibility). . it’s common knowledge that kamala did exactly that. she didn’t even hide it, she was in an open, public affair with that marrried guy Brown. you think her brains got her where she is?

you were banned from starting threads here because of how obsessed and deranged you are. So who’s unhappy?

People are fleeing blue states for red states ( and often to mexico) in search of a better life. Why is that?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/happiness-by-age-location-and-political-affiliation

No obsession in you, poor victim

Now you’ve heard they’re fleeing blue states for Mexico, maybe it’s the United States for a place where healthcare is affordable.

You consistently echo extreme right wing media and think you’re not far right, because you know an immigrant shopkeeper, have a leaf and sorta support gay marriage, but don’t talk about it because it’s contagious.
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i’ve never heard anyone say michelle slept her way to the top ( i’m sure some jerks have said it, never heard it with any credibility). . it’s common knowledge that kamala did exactly that. she didn’t even hide it, she was in an open, public affair with that marrried guy Brown. you think her brains got her where she is?

As usual you’re not quite lying, just exaggerating.

Kamala Harris did have a relationship with Willie Brown, who later served as San Francisco’s mayor, between 1994 and 1995. The Los Angeles Times first linked the pair in 1994 when Harris, beginning her career in the Alameda County District Attorney's Office, was 29 and Brown, speaker of the California State Assembly was 60.

Although Brown was legally married at the time, he had reportedly been estranged from his wife, Blanche Brown, since 1981, according to People magazine.

As reported by the San Francisco Chronicle, Harris and Brown broke up in 1995. On Dec. 26, 1995, reporter Herb Caen wrote in his daily column that the couple had split, adding the “news came as a shock to many, including those who found Kamala Harris attractive, intelligent and charming.”

Brown went on to serve as mayor of San Francisco from 1996 to 2004. Elected in 2003, Harris would become the district attorney of San Francisco.

The claim Harris “had an affair with a married man” is technically true. But given Brown had been separated from his wife for more than a decade, the claim is misleading. Haris and Brown’s relationship was not secret and they made public appearances as a couple.
You and the DC press despises Harris and make no bones about it. She's all business, no play, no gotchas, no scandals, no drama - nothing of a single thing they're desperate to dredge out of anyone in power to light up their pages. Plus she's a strong, intelligent Black woman.

I’m not going to be snarky about Dr Oz’s history killing puppies because—along with putting up the profoundly unfit Herschel Walker for Senate—we have a major party that thinks so lowly of America’s future that these are the caliber of humans they want in positions of leadership.
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No obsession in you, poor victim

Now you’ve heard they’re fleeing blue states for Mexico, maybe it’s the United States for a place where healthcare is affordable.

You consistently echo extreme right wing media and think you’re not far right, because you know an immigrant shopkeeper, have a leaf and sorta support gay marriage, but don’t talk about it because it’s contagious.
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you can’t victimize me. you’re a paranoid lunatic

unlike you, i can praise or criticize either side.

i’ll talk about gay marriage all day. i supported it, and not sorta,,when obama and hilary and even the citizens of CA were opposed. Which we all know means you opposed it then, because you can’t go against the leftie grain, not ever.

i’m curious to know why you said i sorta support it? Why’d you have to lie and throw in a qualifier? because the truth isn’t convenient for you, so you have to lie?

i support what’s true, decent, makes common sense, and helps people without hurting others. I take it case by case. You? You blindly say the liberal is always right.

You’re as brainwashed as anyone i’ve ever come across.

You need to look in a mirror for that to be a true statement

Brainwashed in your world is believing in the Truth and facts funny how that works


Greene declared that Buttigieg is trying to “emasculate the way we drive” by supporting environmentally friendly transportation.

Let’s hear how that comment isn’t about him being Gay

As usual you’re not quite lying, just exaggerating.

Kamala Harris did have a relationship with Willie Brown, who later served as San Francisco’s mayor, between 1994 and 1995. The Los Angeles Times first linked the pair in 1994 when Harris, beginning her career in the Alameda County District Attorney's Office, was 29 and Brown, speaker of the California State Assembly was 60.

Although Brown was legally married at the time, he had reportedly been estranged from his wife, Blanche Brown, since 1981, according to People magazine.

As reported by the San Francisco Chronicle, Harris and Brown broke up in 1995. On Dec. 26, 1995, reporter Herb Caen wrote in his daily column that the couple had split, adding the “news came as a shock to many, including those who found Kamala Harris attractive, intelligent and charming.”

Brown went on to serve as mayor of San Francisco from 1996 to 2004. Elected in 2003, Harris would become the district attorney of San Francisco.

The claim Harris “had an affair with a married man” is technically true. But given Brown had been separated from his wife for more than a decade, the claim is misleading. Haris and Brown’s relationship was not secret and they made public appearances as a couple.
You and the DC press despises Harris and make no bones about it. She's all business, no play, no gotchas, no scandals, no drama - nothing of a single thing they're desperate to dredge out of anyone in power to light up their pages. Plus she's a strong, intelligent Black woman.

I’m not going to be snarky about Dr Oz’s history killing puppies because—along with putting up the profoundly unfit Herschel Walker for Senate—we have a major party that thinks so lowly of America’s future that these are the caliber of humans they want in positions of leadership.
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your pasted article fails to mention that Brown, as speaker of the CA house, appointed Harris to two different political positions, which Brown said “influenced her career.”

How convenient that you left that part out! Shocker. We’re stunned you left that out.

How many 60 year olds did she date when she was 29, who didn’t help her career? Any?

You’re as brainwashed as anyone i’ve ever come across.

You need to look in a mirror for that to be a true statement

Brainwashed in your world is believing in the Truth and facts funny how that works


Greene declared that Buttigieg is trying to “emasculate the way we drive” by supporting environmentally friendly transportation.

Let’s hear how that comment isn’t about him being Gay

brainwashed is thinking that one side has never been wrong, and can never be wrong. That’s not you?

your pasted article fails to mention that Brown, as speaker of the CA house, appointed Harris to two different political positions, which Brown said “influenced her career.”

How convenient that you left that part out! Shocker. We’re stunned you left that out.

How many 60 year olds did she date when she was 29, who didn’t help her career? Any?

That’s priceless coming from the person who thinks making your daughter and son-in-law part of your administration is good.
I know because he’s brilliant that’s also why the House of Saud gave him 2 Billion dollars
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That’s priceless coming from the person who thinks making your daughter and son-in-law part of your administration is good.
I know because he’s brilliant that’s also why the House of Saud gave him 2 Billion dollars
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ojUmdF42U

Want to see a much better clip, search for Herschel Walkers son's rant after dear old dad suggested he never paid for an abortion, it's priceless.

Want to see a much better clip, search for Herschel Walkers son's rant after dear old dad suggested he never paid for an abortion, it's priceless.

Don't worry the Evangelicals will soon disown him.

White evangelical conservative Christians in Georgia voting for the domestic abuser who paid for an abortion over the literal reverend is proof that it’s always been about power and not holiness to them.
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Showing proof of vaccination while we're in the throes of a pandemic is a step too far for Republicans, but forcing teenage girls to disclose their menstrual history to play school sports is normal and appropriate?
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Showing proof of vaccination while we're in the throes of a pandemic is a step too far for Republicans, but forcing teenage girls to disclose their menstrual history to play school sports is normal and appropriate?
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I don't know what you're talking about with menstrual history, but most Americans want girls to compete physically with other girls. If that sounds kooky to you, look at the polling and tell me who is with the majority, and who's on the extreme...I doubt you'd fare well competing physically with men, especially if your inability to compete intellectually is any indication, but most normal people think it's sick to have men and women compete physically with each other. Sure it gives you a fighting chance for the first time, but it puts you out of touch with mainstream America. As usual.

Don't worry the Evangelicals will soon disown him.

SO Walker is guilty based on allegations. But his opponents wife says he tried to run her over with his car, and he gets a pass. Why is that Paul? Everything is OK when democrats do it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/video-raphael-warnock-ex-says-he-ran-over-foot-2020-12

SO Walker is guilty based on allegations. But his opponents wife says he tried to run her over with his car, and he gets a pass. Why is that Paul? Everything is OK when democrats do it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/video-raphael-warnock-ex-says-he-ran-over-foot-2020-12

Guilty of what? Besides being a hypocrite

SO Walker is guilty based on allegations. But his opponents wife says he tried to run her over with his car, and he gets a pass. Why is that Paul? Everything is OK when democrats do it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/video-raphael-warnock-ex-says-he-ran-over-foot-2020-12

Allegations? She had a receipt and a note from him. was it 4 kids w/4 woman (tough to keep track of his lies)? Where are his tax returns showing his charitable donations from the company he owned which claimed a % of the earnings were going to charity? Do a search. Candidates like him are why the Rs may not take back the senate.

A few different stories of the evangelical's favorite candidate:

Five weeks out from Election Day, Herschel Walker and his campaign are learning the very basics of crisis communications, including rudimentary lessons like “when the pro-life Senate candidate in Georgia paid for a girlfriend’s abortion and his staffers know about the matter, it’s probably a good idea to have a game plan ready for when the story comes out.” But since the Daily Beast reported that the former football star paid $700 for a girlfriend to terminate a pregnancy in 2009 — and sent a get-well card with his signature on it — the campaign has been scrambling to respond.

It began with an outright denial on Monday with Walker calling the story a “flat-out lie” on Twitter and threatening to sue the Daily Beast over what he said was defamation. That same night, he went on Fox News with a less combative approach. While he still denied that he paid for the abortion, Walker did acknowledge the evidence against him, including a copy of the check, the receipt from the abortion clinic, and a get-well card with his handwriting. “I send money to a lot of people,” he told Sean Hannity.

By Wednesday morning, Walker all but admitted to paying for the abortion. “People see someone sitting in front of you right now that’s been redeemed,” he told Fox & Friends co-host Brian Kilmeade. “And I want America to know I’m living proof that you can make mistakes, get up, and keep going forward.” Walker also responded strangely to a viral tirade from his son, Christian, in which his eldest child berated him for lying, claimed that the handwriting in the card was his father’s, and alleged that his father “threatened to kill us and had us move over six times in six months running from your violence.” His answer — that Christian represented “the left” doing “whatever they can to win this seat” — didn’t make too much sense considering that his son is a conservative influencer.



In September 2011, ESPN was rolling out its new documentary about Herschel Walker — but the man of the hour wouldn’t be at the big premiere because, he said, he had real work to do.

“I have to head back to Arkansas for a sales meeting at my chicken factory,” Walker told ESPN at the time. “I have a regular job. I have to go back to work.”

Walker emphasized that there was much more to him than the star football player who won the Heisman Trophy at the University of Georgia and played in the NFL.

“They don’t know that I have this food service company; I have a drapery company and I supervise six hospitals around the United States,” he said.



In December, Walker’s campaign website falsely claimed that he had graduated from the University of Georgia, the school he left after his junior season to play professionally. (Walker’s campaign deleted the claim after the Atlanta Journal-Constitution inquired about it.) In April, CNN’s KFile team revealed that Walker himself had made the false graduation claim for years – and that Walker had even asserted that he graduated in the top 1% of his University of Georgia class.

But when Walker was challenged about his graduation deception in an interview last week with FOX 5 Atlanta anchor Russ Spencer, Walker declared he had never once said he graduated from the University of Georgia.

I don't know what you're talking about with menstrual history, but most Americans want girls to compete physically with other girls. If that sounds kooky to you, look at the polling and tell me who is with the majority, and who's on the extreme...I doubt you'd fare well competing physically with men, especially if your inability to compete intellectually is any indication, but most normal people think it's sick to have men and women compete physically with each other. Sure it gives you a fighting chance for the first time, but it puts you out of touch with mainstream America. As usual.

Poor victim

Student athletes in Florida have to agree to have their period tracked in order to be eligible to play.

The state bans abortion after 15 weeks, no exceptions for rape or incest && parents of a minor have to be notified and give consent.

Ask your wife if as a teenager she would have felt comfortable reporting her periods to participate in school activities.
The you can consider what happens when some teenager misses her period for any reason and there’s more than pregnancy involved that can make that happen, never mind that not every woman matures at the same age.
Will the fascists lock her up?
But vaccines are overstepping peoples rights
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https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/education/2022/10/04/why-florida-student-athletes-asked-their-periods-play/8084649001/
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https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/education/2022/10/04/why-florida-student-athletes-asked-their-periods-play/8084649001/
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blech.

Allegations? She had a receipt and a note from him. was it 4 kids w/4 woman (tough to keep track of his lies)? Where are his tax returns showing his charitable donations from the company he owned which claimed a % of the earnings were going to charity? Do a search. Candidates like him are why the Rs may not take back the senate.

A few different stories of the evangelical's favorite candidate:

Five weeks out from Election Day, Herschel Walker and his campaign are learning the very basics of crisis communications, including rudimentary lessons like “when the pro-life Senate candidate in Georgia paid for a girlfriend’s abortion and his staffers know about the matter, it’s probably a good idea to have a game plan ready for when the story comes out.” But since the Daily Beast reported that the former football star paid $700 for a girlfriend to terminate a pregnancy in 2009 — and sent a get-well card with his signature on it — the campaign has been scrambling to respond.

It began with an outright denial on Monday with Walker calling the story a “flat-out lie” on Twitter and threatening to sue the Daily Beast over what he said was defamation. That same night, he went on Fox News with a less combative approach. While he still denied that he paid for the abortion, Walker did acknowledge the evidence against him, including a copy of the check, the receipt from the abortion clinic, and a get-well card with his handwriting. “I send money to a lot of people,” he told Sean Hannity.

By Wednesday morning, Walker all but admitted to paying for the abortion. “People see someone sitting in front of you right now that’s been redeemed,” he told Fox & Friends co-host Brian Kilmeade. “And I want America to know I’m living proof that you can make mistakes, get up, and keep going forward.” Walker also responded strangely to a viral tirade from his son, Christian, in which his eldest child berated him for lying, claimed that the handwriting in the card was his father’s, and alleged that his father “threatened to kill us and had us move over six times in six months running from your violence.” His answer — that Christian represented “the left” doing “whatever they can to win this seat” — didn’t make too much sense considering that his son is a conservative influencer.



In September 2011, ESPN was rolling out its new documentary about Herschel Walker — but the man of the hour wouldn’t be at the big premiere because, he said, he had real work to do.

“I have to head back to Arkansas for a sales meeting at my chicken factory,” Walker told ESPN at the time. “I have a regular job. I have to go back to work.”

Walker emphasized that there was much more to him than the star football player who won the Heisman Trophy at the University of Georgia and played in the NFL.

“They don’t know that I have this food service company; I have a drapery company and I supervise six hospitals around the United States,” he said.



In December, Walker’s campaign website falsely claimed that he had graduated from the University of Georgia, the school he left after his junior season to play professionally. (Walker’s campaign deleted the claim after the Atlanta Journal-Constitution inquired about it.) In April, CNN’s KFile team revealed that Walker himself had made the false graduation claim for years – and that Walker had even asserted that he graduated in the top 1% of his University of Georgia class.

But when Walker was challenged about his graduation deception in an interview last week with FOX 5 Atlanta anchor Russ Spencer, Walker declared he had never once said he graduated from the University of Georgia.

and there’s a police report of war nick running over his wife’s foot.

I’m not overly impressed by walker, but it’s a binary choice, and republicans are going go to vote for the republican. it’s a choice between two very weird and unimpressive guys.

you’re 100% right about the evidence the girlfriend has. if he paid for an abortion, he should say it and let the voters decide.

Walker has serious credibility issues, and warnicknhas questionable sanity. Warlock said americans cannot serve both god and the military. his words. and he votes on wars now.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/education/2022/10/04/why-florida-student-athletes-asked-their-periods-play/8084649001/
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Don’t be upset by liberal using a play from the Republicans play book

Like Banning books that have been library’s for decades. Screaming parents rights

The story also states Although the questions are nothing new, athletes, their families, and their doctors are taking a closer look at where this information goes after the overturning of Roe v. Wade this summer by the U.S. Supreme Court.

With reproductive privacy and parental rights over children's data top of mind, both abortion rights advocates and concerned parents have raised alarms about the questions and and how they can be used.

and there’s a police report of war nick running over his wife’s foot.

I’m not overly impressed by walker, but it’s a binary choice, and republicans are going go to vote for the republican. it’s a choice between two very weird and unimpressive guys.

you’re 100% right about the evidence the girlfriend has. if he paid for an abortion, he should say it and let the voters decide.

Walker has serious credibility issues, and warnicknhas questionable sanity. Warlock said americans cannot serve both god and the military. his words. and he votes on wars now.


it’s a binary choice

That’s what all the cultmembers say :bs:

Don’t be upset by liberal using a play from the Republicans play book

Like Banning books that have been library’s for decades. Screaming parents rights

The story also states Although the questions are nothing new, athletes, their families, and their doctors are taking a closer look at where this information goes after the overturning of Roe v. Wade this summer by the U.S. Supreme Court.

With reproductive privacy and parental rights over children's data top of mind, both abortion rights advocates and concerned parents have raised alarms about the questions and and how they can be used.

Thanks for clarifying that for me. I have zero reading or comprehension skills and would have completely misinterpreted it without you adding your keen insight :rolleyes:
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Just read while President Biden was touring the Florida damage people were giving him the finger. I guess I'm no longer surprised
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No different than the previous 4 years, it’s truly sad.
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and there’s a police report of war nick running over his wife’s foot.

I’m not overly impressed by walker, but it’s a binary choice, and republicans are going go to vote for the republican. it’s a choice between two very weird and unimpressive guys.

you’re 100% right about the evidence the girlfriend has. if he paid for an abortion, he should say it and let the voters decide.

Walker has serious credibility issues, and warnicknhas questionable sanity. Warlock said americans cannot serve both god and the military. his words. and he votes on wars now.

When the dems run candidates as awful as Walker, Greene, Boebert and Moore, get back to us. They just don’t run candidates that terrible.
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When the dems run candidates as awful as Walker, Greene, Boebert and Moore, get back to us. They just don’t run candidates that terrible.
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dear pete...why don't you give us an update on the polls?

No different than the previous 4 years, it’s truly sad.
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Yes, thank goodness they didn't yell that at the Kenyan born, socialist, Muslim.

Prob. the same people who yelled "you suck" at Jill Biden in New Haven recently.

Yes, thank goodness they didn't yell that at the Kenyan born, socialist, Muslim.

Prob. the same people who yelled "you suck" at Jill Biden in New Haven recently.

Here’s the thing, I think it’s idiotic now, I thought it was idiotic for the previous 4 years, and I thought it was idiotic the 8 years prior to that.
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dear pete...why don't you give us an update on the polls?

Walker could rape a woman on live television and they would still support him. They want the Senate. That’s all.
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A majority of GOP nominees — 299 in all — deny the 2020 election results
Experts say their dominance in the party poses a threat to the country’s democratic principles and jeopardizes the integrity of future votes

Funny how that works

Walker could rape a woman on live television and they would still support him. They want the Senate. That’s all.
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nice poll update...

Experts say their dominance in the party poses a threat to the country’s democratic principles and jeopardizes the integrity of future votes

Funny how that works

this is very funny...maybe we should just throw them all in prison now...end the threat to democracy....

nice poll update...

Oh yea, I forgot you’re the new deputy dawg of the internet

Joe Scarborough on Herschel Walker: "Republicans understand he’s not qualified to be a senator. He doesn’t know the issues. He can’t talk about any issues ...This is almost the perfect lab experiment on just how low Republican voters are willing to go to quote, ‘own the libs.’"
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Oh yea, I forgot you’re the new deputy dawg of the internet


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so you don't want to gloat about the polling?

it’s a binary choice

That’s what all the cultmembers say :bs:

so you disagree that one of those two guys is going to
ein? i’d like to clear this up. you’re saying it’s cult like to say it’s a binary choice. so either you agree it’s binary in which case you’re a cultist, or you think it’s reasonable to assume that a third person will
with that race

which is it?

Walker could rape a woman on live television and they would still support him. They want the Senate. That’s all.
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biden has a rape elephant ion against him. can we assume you therefore didn’t vote for him? or does that standard only apply to republicans?

scott asked you for a polling update. You like posting stuff you don’t online, so it’s interesting that you seem reluctant to comply.

In 2011, just 36% of Republicans said a politician who committed an immoral act could still fulfill their duties.

With Trump on the 2016 ballot, that shot up to 70%.

In 2020: 71%.
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biden has a rape elephant ion against him. can we assume you therefore didn’t vote for him? or does that standard only apply to republicans?

scott asked you for a polling update. You like posting stuff you don’t online, so it’s interesting that you seem reluctant to comply.

A rape elephant….
Last I heard you claimed that Ronan Farrow was going to find the dirt, looks like he’s about as productive as John Durham.
Feel free to do your own research on polls
Roevember is coming
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A rape elephant….


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sounds like a dangerous animal

sounds like a dangerous animal

was supposed to say rape allegation…godawful typist here.

so you disagree that one of those two guys is going to
ein? i’d like to clear this up. you’re saying it’s cult like to say it’s a binary choice. so either you agree it’s binary in which case you’re a cultist, or you think it’s reasonable to assume that a third person will
with that race

which is it?

He probably thought you were talking Gender, because there’s an unlimited supply of those.
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sounds like a dangerous animal

What is the correct number of abortions for which a pro-life candidate should pay?

Asking for my evangelical friends.
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so you disagree that one of those two guys is going to
ein? i’d like to clear this up. you’re saying it’s cult like to say it’s a binary choice. so either you agree it’s binary in which case you’re a cultist, or you think it’s reasonable to assume that a third person will
with that race

which is it?


Yes Jim the vast majority of American election have only 2 choices binary

But The term binary I used when talking about elections are usually framed as a choice between the lesser of two evils





So

When people throw out the binary choice, they’re trying to reduce the election to two defined choices whose outcomes are totally understood. They want to pretend that you know exactly what outcome you’re getting with either choice and that the outcomes stop the minute the choice is made.

It’s about the best candidate hence why my state Ma has had several Republican Governors They weren’t elected because of their ideology
In a democratic state . They were better candidates

GA Republicans could careless about the competency integrity or character of their candidate. It’s all about owning the libs they have made it binary choice between the lesser of two evils

Why would. Raphael Warnock not help the people of GA any less than walker beside walkers a Republican puppet

GA Republicans could careless about the competency integrity or character of their candidate.



this is interesting....

GA Republicans could careless about the competency integrity or character of their candidate. It’s all about owning the libs they have made it binary choice between the lesser of two evils



If, as you say, this election is a choice between the lesser of two evils, doesn't that mean that both sides have weak candidates?

You say it's a choice between the lesser of two evils, doesn't that mean that you side also nominated a loser here?

and "binary" doesn't mean a choice between 2 bad candidates. It's a situation with 2 possible outcomes.

If, as you say, this election is a choice between the lesser of two evils, doesn't that mean that both sides have weak candidates?

You say it's a choice between the lesser of two evils, doesn't that mean that you side also nominated a loser here?

and "binary" doesn't mean a choice between 2 bad candidates. It's a situation with 2 possible outcomes.

Iam not makings it about the lesser of 2 evils. Republicans hence calling it binary they are making suggestions to their voters they don’t have a choice because anyone with a D next to their name is bad.

Being competent or having the ability to do the job isn’t necessary in today’s GOPQ.

All that’s required is say you pray be against abortion and claim Trump won and the election was rigged
Done any republican will vote for you
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Iam not makings it about the lesser of 2 evils. Republicans hence calling it binary they are making suggestions to their voters they don’t have a choice because anyone with a D next to their name is bad.

Being competent or having the ability to do the job isn’t necessary in today’s GOPQ.

All that’s required is say you pray be against abortion and claim Trump won and the election was rigged
Done any republican will vote for you
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"Binary" doesn't mean the GOP candidate is bad. It means there are 2 possible outcomes.

I used the word binary in that context, and you twisted it into something it's not.

Do you think anyone believes you'd ever vote for a conservative republican in a race against a flawed democrat? Is that what you expect anyone to believe?

Warnock is a lunatic.

Just read while President Biden was touring the Florida damage people were giving him the finger. I guess I'm no longer surprised
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when Biden says into a hot mike this week “ no one f-cks with a Biden”, that’s ok? what do you assume he meant by that?

when Biden says into a hot mike this week “ no one f-cks with a Biden”, that’s ok? what do you assume he meant by that?

Who exactly did he say that to ? So somehow that is the same as someone giving him the finger or people saying to his wife you suck?
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Who exactly did he say that to ? So somehow that is the same as someone giving him the finger or people saying to his wife you suck?
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not sure it matters who he said it to, what matters is he didn’t i or anyone could hear him. he said to the Ft Myers mayor.

you’re upset someone gave biden the finger, but he can call a reporter a dumb son of a bitch for asking about inflation. that’s an example of treating people with respect.

Maybe some people don’t like it when biden says we want to put blacks back in chains.