Hilary tells CNN she has never lied to the public

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So the paper I quoted....which was a non-partisan UK Newspaper, which quotes people from the Ireland/UK part of the negotiations, is wrong....

I need to believe your source that quotes another democrat....got it.

No, it shows there are multiple perspectives. If Clinton thought she was an important part of the process, and others thought so as well, that doesn't mean she's lying...

Had she made the claim and perhaps not been there at all, that would be a lie.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

No, it shows there are multiple perspectives. If Clinton thought she was an important part of the process, and others thought so as well, that doesn't mean she's lying...

Had she made the claim and perhaps not been there at all, that would be a lie.

So in the case of the " sniper attack", she was there and she thought she was under fire , even though she was receiving flowers from a little girl, it doesn't mean she was lying .
It just means she is insane or maybe has the early stages of Alzheimer's . Either way she is not fit to be President.
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[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

From the September 18, 2001, edition of Today:


CLINTON: No. Of course, Bill was in Australia. And, you know, he was so upset by what he was seeing on television that I didn't want to tell him that I couldn't find her until I found her. I told him that, you know, everything's fine, don't worry. But I couldn't do it with the level of assurance that I needed until I could find her a couple of hours later

Hey Spence is this Hillary lying to Bill?
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

No, it shows there are multiple perspectives. If Clinton thought she was an important part of the process, and others thought so as well, that doesn't mean she's lying...

Had she made the claim and perhaps not been there at all, that would be a lie.

According to George Mitchell....she was basically a Trophy Wife (in the words of Frank Barone "What Contest in Hell did I win)

So if Hillary believes it, it must be true.

She said she was Instrumental.....she was not.

She hung out with the other wives....probably chatting the night away about shoes and their husbands infidelities

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

So in the case of the " sniper attack", she was there and she thought she was under fire , even though she was receiving flowers from a little girl, it doesn't mean she was lying .
It just means she is insane or maybe has the early stages of Alzheimer's . Either way she is not fit to be President.
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Thank you. Either she is lying, or she's crazy. There isn't a third option, unless she never claimed to have come under sniper attack, but rather, the vast right wing conspiracy framed her, to make it look like she said there was a sniper. The same geniuses who framed Bill to make it look like he was cheating on her, also set her up with the sniper thing.

If the GOP nominee doesn't play ads 24/7 that show her making that claim, then showing the video of what actually happened, and then showing her telling CNN this weekend that she has never lied...then we don't deserve to win. They should use that to club her like a baby seal.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by buckman

So in the case of the " sniper attack", she was there and she thought she was under fire , even though she was receiving flowers from a little girl, it doesn't mean she was lying .
It just means she is insane or maybe has the early stages of Alzheimer's . Either way she is not fit to be President.
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Bingo, Buck. Anybody with the least bit of common sense would agree.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

According to George Mitchell....she was basically a Trophy Wife (in the words of Frank Barone "What Contest in Hell did I win)

Great, now making sexist references. You're on a roll....

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

So in the case of the " sniper attack", she was there and she thought she was under fire , even though she was receiving flowers from a little girl, it doesn't mean she was lying .
It just means she is insane or maybe has the early stages of Alzheimer's . Either way she is not fit to be President.
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No it means she was warned before landing of the danger of sniper fire and told they'd likely have to run in and just recalled the situation poorly. Doesn't mean it was intended as deception. You just assume it's a lie because you think everything -- including items which are clearly not lies -- are still lies. That may say more about you than it does her.

I do hope you hold all candidates to the same impossible standard to which you hold Clinton.

[Nebe]

Come on spence..

http://youtu.be/rZHO1vo762c
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Great, now making sexist references. You're on a roll....

You going through your liberal "Label of the Day" calendar again?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

No it means she was warned before landing of the danger of sniper fire and told they'd likely have to run in and just recalled the situation poorly. Doesn't mean it was intended as deception. You just assume it's a lie because you think everything -- including items which are clearly not lies -- are still lies. That may say more about you than it does her.

I do hope you hold all candidates to the same impossible standard to which you hold Clinton.

"recalled the situation poorly. Doesn't mean it was intended as deception"

That's actually sad to me. I mean that.

Do you sincerely believe, that she confused a peaceful reception where she shook hands along the ropeline, all smiles...with getting shot at and having to dive into a military vehicle?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

No it means she was warned before landing of the danger of sniper fire and told they'd likely have to run in and just recalled the situation poorly. Doesn't mean it was intended as deception. You just assume it's a lie because you think everything -- including items which are clearly not lies -- are still lies. That may say more about you than it does her.

I do hope you hold all candidates to the same impossible standard to which you hold Clinton.

She's a story teller . That's what we used to call children when they were making up stories. You really have an extremely low standard for honesty .
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

She's a story teller . That's what we used to call children when they were making up stories. You really have an extremely low standard for honesty .
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I think he has more of an art for trolling
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

just recalled the situation poorly. Doesn't mean it was intended as deception. .

You are far too sharp to believe that. Far too sharp.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

She's a story teller . That's what we used to call children when they were making up stories. You really have an extremely low standard for honesty .
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All good politicians are story tellers. How much stuff do you think Reagan completely fabricated? Why do you think Trump is so entertaining?

Again, you're holding Clinton to a completely different standard.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

All good politicians are story tellers. How much stuff do you think Reagan completely fabricated? Why do you think Trump is so entertaining?

Again, you're holding Clinton to a completely different standard.

Clinton denies ever story telling. EVER ....See the difference .
She is the one holding herself to a higher standard then Trump , not me .
That's why I hate politicians and I do not put them on a pedestal like you . Proof is in the pudding
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Clinton denies ever story telling.

No, she denies lying. There's a difference between misspeaking or a little sensationalism and an outright deception.

People say things that aren't true all the time, doesn't mean it's a lie.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

No, she denies lying. There's a difference between misspeaking or a little sensationalism and an outright deception.

People say things that aren't true all the time, doesn't mean it's a lie.

Repeatedly miss speaking about the same matter is lying . Sorry, that's just the way it is .
Sensationalism ??? That one made me chuckle
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

No, she denies lying. There's a difference between misspeaking or a little sensationalism and an outright deception.

People say things that aren't true all the time, doesn't mean it's a lie.

It's a character flaw . One I don't like seeing in friends , one I won't tolerate from my children , one we have in the current President ( except he outright lies , often ) and one I don't want in the next one .
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Repeatedly miss speaking about the same matter is lying . Sorry, that's just the way it is .
Sensationalism ??? That one made me chuckle
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I do a lot of speaking before groups and sensationalize and dramatize things all the time. It makes the message come through stronger and captures people's attention. Doesn't mean I'm dishonest.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

It's a character flaw . One I don't like seeing in friends , one I won't tolerate from my children , one we have in the current President ( except he outright lies , often ) and one I don't want in the next one .
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Unless you're pulling for Sanders then you'll be badly disappointed. The GOP field can't seem to get any facts straight and most are running campaigns fueled by dishonesty and dirty tricks.

You're honestly going to tell me you think Trump doesn't have this "character flaw?"

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

It's a character flaw . One I don't like seeing in friends , one I won't tolerate from my children , one we have in the current President ( except he outright lies , often ) and one I don't want in the next one .
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So I assume then that Trump and Cruz are not getting your support then?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Unless you're pulling for Sanders then you'll be badly disappointed. The GOP field can't seem to get any facts straight and most are running campaigns fueled by dishonesty and dirty tricks.

You're honestly going to tell me you think Trump doesn't have this "character flaw?"

I think if it comes down to Trump and Hillary , which it looks like it will , you will see a lot of sensationalism . You're also going to see Hillary called out like never before . I almost feel bad for her going against some one with F U money and a large portion of the American people on his side .
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

So I assume then that Trump and Cruz are not getting your support then?

I haven't kept up on thier lies . Fill me in .
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[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

People say things that aren't true all the time, doesn't mean it's a lie.

If it's not true Spence, I guess you could water it down by calling it a falsehood, but it's still not true and a lie.
How many outriggers do you have out.

[Sea Dangles]

My guess is that Spence the parent would not tolerate the sensationalism that he does with his candidate. Only because he wants to be a good Dad and would not tolerate such character flaws.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

I think if it comes down to Trump and Hillary , which it looks like it will , you will see a lot of sensationalism . You're also going to see Hillary called out like never before . I almost feel bad for her going against some one with F U money and a large portion of the American people on his side .
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Love it, a 25 year long industry dedicated to tearing the Clinton's down yet we've not seen anything yet. Right

I think under-appreciating her resilience and skills would be a big mistake. Trump can't respond to Hillary giving an insightful response on foreign policy, economics or domestic issues with a wedgie or wet willie during a debate.

Trump is all hat and no cattle and while many Americans are mad at the government his childish antics are really getting old.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

My guess is that Spence the parent would not tolerate the sensationalism that he does with his candidate. Only because he wants to be a good Dad and would not tolerate such character flaws.
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You would think he would see the hypocrisy , wouldn't you ?
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[buckman]

[QUOTE=spence;1094333]Love it, a 25 year long industry dedicated to tearing the Clinton's down yet we've not seen anything yet. Right

I think under-appreciating her resilience and skills would be a big mistake. Trump can't respond to Hillary giving an insightful response on foreign policy, economics or domestic issues with a wedgie or wet willie during a debate.

Trump is all hat and no cattle and while many Americans are mad at the government his childish antics are really getting old.[/QUOTE

You are probably right , she is without sin . Such an honorable lady . A saint if you will .
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by buckman

You would think he would see the hypocrisy , wouldn't you ?
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White lies,fables, fabrication: all are nice words for being untruthful. As Jeff says he does the same at work so to expect him to understand the difference could be a stretch. But unless his last name is Aesop then the difference could be a huge loss in credibility. Hyperbole is used to exaggerate a point, what was Hillarys point?
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