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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

All they'll really need to do is cut power to the Milk Frother and they will all go home.
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Not before gassing the place, smoke bombs, flash bangs to get the video on Fox so Trump can use it in his culture war.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Not before gassing the place, smoke bombs, flash bangs to get the video on Fox so Trump can use it in his culture war.

There you go again, going off the rails, ever wonder why nobody ever invites you to go fishing with them
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Federal Officers Deployed By Trump Admin Are “Kidnapping” Protesters In Portland


Only Trump supporters think this is ok... but still insisting hes not an authoritarian leader ..

Local police should be allowed (and directed) to handle it , right?

Originally Posted by spence

Chicago has a gang problem, Portland's biggest problem is Trump's secret police.

Local police should be allowed (and directed) to handle it , right?

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

There you go again, going off the rails, ever wonder why nobody ever invites you to go fishing with them
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I'm told he is just bad luck ; )

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Originally Posted by JohnR

Local police should be allowed (and directed) to handle it , right?

It sounds like the amount of vandalism hasn't been that widespread. The local police were handling it but also infringing on the rights of the majority of peaceful protesters. Since the secret police have shown up it looks like it has gotten a lot worse.

This is mostly a PR stunt, potentially illegal and people are getting hurt because of it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

It sounds like the amount of vandalism hasn't been that widespread. The local police were handling it but also infringing on the rights of the majority of peaceful protesters. Since the secret police have shown up it looks like it has gotten a lot worse.

This is mostly a PR stunt, potentially illegal and people are getting hurt because of it.

this is idiotic...but go ahead

[Pete F.]

Tweety's plan to demonstrate that he is a law and order guy by instituting a national police force is pretty scary.

“A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe companions to liberty,” James Madison told the Constitutional Convention. “The means of defense against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home.”

Riot control is nothing new and attacking a crowd typically does nothing other than add a new thing (the police) they are against in addition to their original objective. In this case since police are viewed as the original problem by protesters, the very people that protesters are concerned about are validating their opinions by attacking them.

There are proven methods that have been used for years, nothing works perfectly but the attack method has been proven to have a great chance to escalate and spread the problem.

https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/feature...a-new-paradigm

[nightfighter]

I reached out via email to an old college girlfriend who lives in Portland. She always was crunchy granola type, but here is a condensed version of her response;

We are a feisty bunch- and rebellious and independent. And so we do not want the !@#$%^&*( Feds messing with our protests. Yes we are fine - we are all at home! Although my daughter and I are going to go join the wall of moms that are lining up to protect the protestors. There are the protestors (good) and the rioters (bad)- but the Feds being here is very bad news PDX will not back down. Our city is a mess though- all boarded up and graffiti everywhere....tough times


This is from a well educated 60 year old Oregon native woman, with adult kids, who has lived abroad in Asia as her husband's job in finance took them to many financial capitals and last I knew, he was with the Federal Reserve... Not what I expected, but that is my ground zero report.... My response simply pointed out their plan of action had some glaring holes in it.... like bring a water bottle to a gunfight.

On a different note, my new 2A4life shoulder holster has shipped!

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Tweety's plan to demonstrate that he is a law and order guy by instituting a national police force is pretty scary.

“A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe companions to liberty,” James Madison told the Constitutional Convention. “The means of defense against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home.”

Riot control is nothing new and attacking a crowd typically does nothing other than add a new thing (the police) they are against in addition to their original objective. In this case since police are viewed as the original problem by protesters, the very people that protesters are concerned about are validating their opinions by attacking them.

There are proven methods that have been used for years, nothing works perfectly but the attack method has been proven to have a great chance to escalate and spread the problem.

https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/feature...a-new-paradigm

They are not a standing military force. They are federal agents from DHS and other federal law enforcement departmens. And they are protecting federal property and federal personnel, not the entire city. They are not there to stop the rioting or clean up the city of crime. They are there to protect federal property from vandalization and destruction by the rioters, and to protect federal personnel.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Tweety's plan to demonstrate that he is a law and order guy by instituting a national police force is pretty scary.

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So tell us, the president is supposed to do nothing when state officials choose not to ensure public safety, and worse, actively side with the violent mob?

When the supreme court ordered Arkansas schools desegregated, the Arkansas governor ordered the National Guard to keep blacks out of the white school. Eisenhower immediately sent in the 101st Airborne, armed to the teeth, to march the black students past the National Guardsmen.

Pete, was Ike wrong to do so?