banning lead sinkers at ccns beaches?

[Mr. Sandman]

Originally Posted by striprman

when will they ban PLASTIC monofilament and braided line ? Plastic pollutes also

Not quite the same. Line may pollute but it's not a poison, ie. it doesn't cause brain damage or serious birth defects like lead. Still you probably don't want to eat a power pro sandwich.

[Plum Crazy]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

Get use to it. It's gonna happen. No lead. Not in jigs, not in sinkers, not in plugs.

I saw a study that showed how much lead gets on your hands just handling sinkers when you put on one your line...should you eat a sandwich afterwards without washing with warm water and soap for 20 seconds.... you are now poisoning yourself is significant. Perhaps this is why bottom fishermen seem less intelligent then most other fishermen (just kidding)

What about all the comms and Striper cup yahoos who support yo-yoing? Actually dumping hundred of # of lead directly INTO fish, many of which escape. These fish digest or pass the lead but some of it has to be absorbed in the fish. Then either get re-caught and eaten OR spawn. Does this lead poisoning effect the eggs of the young? Too many serious questions, best to be conservative and stop all lead. There are substitutes.

It will take a while to phase everything out, if I had to guess...probably 5 years.

BTW, last time I looked lead cost more than .60/lb, it is more like a buck+. Perhaps you van get it for .60 if you buy it by the ton.

According to that I should be dead or derranged.(or really stupid)
I do know lead is poison and it needs to be phased out.
I just don't think we need to jump to conclusions here.
There are no facts.
For instance it says National Parks.
But it does not say SALTWATER.
There are thousands of parks and most of them are not on the salt.
If it's okay to use lures with lead encased in them on the Quabbin Res. which is used for drinking water then why wouldn't it be okay to use encased lead in the ocean?
I also understand that Maddmatt is right. Common sense plays no part in the federal government. Neither does reasoning.
I see no way for them to enforce this.
I use lead sinkers ALL the time and would not be opposed to encasing them in plastic or another material at minimal cost.
But to pay $25 for a 4 oz. sinker is out of the question!
I lose several a week!
Maybe it's time to get my scuba license?
How many times have you dropped tackle in the sand never to be found again?
All I have to say is if we are paying big bucks for tackle made from precious metals they better re-think the ban they have on the use of metal detectors on our beaches.
I think I'm gonna go with Raven on drilling rocks for weights.
Hey the Indians used rocks.
The way things are going in this economy the last thing they should be thinking about is putting more people out of business.
I feel our energy should be put to better use, like fighting for access.
In the meantime I promise not to let the kids lick my pyramid sinkers.

[wheresmy50]

Originally Posted by WESTPORTMAFIA

Would you buy a house with lead paint? No. Even though you handle lead sinkers, jig heads and everything else? I use my teeth to open split shots made from lead. It doesn't seem like a big deal while fishing but when buying or selling houses it's a huge deal because it's poison. We all love lead but we all know it's not a good thing. You wouldn't want your family handling it and it's not a good thing to add to the ocean. I'm not trying to lecture anyone. I'm guilty as charged. But the bottom line is that the %$%$%$%$ is bad. I smoke butts and know it's bad too. http://www.http://kidshealth.org/par...poisoning.html. Toy companies don't get sued for multi-millions because lead is safe and fun for the whole family. Again don't get me wrong I use it and have for years. But we need to not be ignorant for their reasons for banning.

No headgear needed. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion; even sometimes on internet fishing forums.

Where I fundamentally disagree with you and the government is over whether lead metal is an environmental pollutant in the quantities that are consistent with the occasional lost sinker.

I think, and I've said before, that legislation like this only exists to infringe on sportsmen through means other than an all-out ban. I have yet to see any evidence that birds, fish, marine mamals, etc. have been harmed through the use of lead in fishing tackle. It's not enough, in my opinion, to assume that because there are certain circumstances where "lead" can be harmful to certain people at certain points in their development, it's harmful to use lead fishing tackle. Further, once we start getting into banning things because they have a higher relative risk than other things, we're well on our way down the slippery slope. This is how peanut butter went from being a staple of kids' lunches, to something akin to rat poison. Isn't night fishing more dangerous than day fishing? Aren't barbed hooks more harmful than non-barbed? Shouldn't korkers be mandatory? If you can't shoot a seal, then why can you hook one? - should't fishermen be forced off the beaches when seals are present?

If I were a pessimist, I'd say that someone will soon issue a report "questioning" (since there's no proof, we can only question - the media will be indifferent to the difference) whether or not you can poision a person who eats fish that ate lead. The same thing is happening now with hunting.

[Back Beach]

Originally Posted by numbskull

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it !!!!!
http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...ad.php?t=55869

Face it Numby, us eel fishers are true environmental stewards. Eels are renewable, biodegradable, and non toxic.

Its you plug fishermen that deforest our woodlands, kill the ozone with all those aerosol paints, and puncture the eyeballs out of our schoolies with your two and three sets of treble hooks.

The good news is there is hope for folks like you. In time, I believe you'll see the light....

[Krispy]

Originally Posted by Back Beach

Face it Numby, us eel fishers are true environmental stewards. Eels are renewable, biodegradable, and non toxic.

Its you plug fishermen that deforest our woodlands, kill the ozone with all those aerosol paints, and puncture the eyeballs out of our schoolies with your two and three sets of treble hooks.

The good news is there is hope for folks like you. In time, I believe you'll see the light....

Sounds like a bumper sticker to me:
"Save a schoolie, blind an eel"
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[Plum Crazy]

Once again the government has worked you all (and me) into a frenzy.
There are no facts people!
Just a silly press release.
Calm the hell down.
Salty, I will buy your plugs today, tommorrow and for as long as you make them.
Can we please debate this when the REAL facts come out?

Good flippin LORD! I wish you guys all cared this much about access issues.

In fact if anyone cared enough about any of the issues we have to deal with they would be at all (or any) of the meetings pertaining to such things. Like the MSBA or MBBA or RFA................................. and be speaking out there instead of a message board where all you are gonna get is people agreeing or disagreeing with you and non stop BS.
There are people out there fighting for you. Non stop. ALWAYS! AND they need your support!
You have a few choices... Shut up... join and speak up (and vote)... spend your life whining or just ignore it.
Everyone wants to cry when they get shut off but nobody wants to play the game.(while your friends bust their a s s e s for you)
It's not a game anymore.
The lack of interest and commitment has made me crazy for years.(to the point of just giving up). Why should a handful of people fight your battle?
If you don't like the way things are SPEAK UP!
You all only speak out when it effects you personally.
Joining together is the only way to beat these people.
You can ignore me all you want but the way I am looking at this is that they are trying to ban lead in National Parks, not the ocean.
CCNS is a National Park (Hey Plum Island is in there too). But all lead bans previously made are FRESH WATER, DRINKING WATER.
All previous lead bans have been for under 2 oz.
In my opinion you are all freaking out about nothing.
I am sure that when the facts come out it will all be handled as it should be and the people
who are always watching out for you and taking care of you will be right on top of it, as always.
You need to support them.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Back Beach

Its you plug fishermen that deforest our woodlands, kill the ozone with all those aerosol paints, and puncture the eyeballs out of our schoolies with your two and three sets of treble hooks.

The good news is there is hope for folks like you. .

By good news did you mean "eel handlers disease"?

[Plum Crazy]

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!

[Raven]

glad to hear (read) that Scott