TWO BASS FOR RI CHARTER AND PARTY BOATS?

[Nebe]

See. CORRUPTION
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[DZ]

Just confirmed - there was a meeting in RI this morning.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by JLH

Much more likely to catch one over 33" than under 33" from the beach last season. The size of larger fish being caught isn't a problem it's the overall numbers being caught and the lack of smaller fish. Having a few big fish around and not much else doesn't make for a healthy fishery.

This... The lack of smaller fish in the last three years is scary. I honestly can't remember the last time I ran into a school of fish under 25-26 inches.

[striperswiper75]

Does NY really believe people are going to drive all the way to RI for the chance at a second fish? I don't think many people from CT would even do that. If the differential was 5:1 then maybe people would make the drive, but 2:1 ratio the expenses of the additional travel eliminate the competitive advantage.
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[piemma]

Originally Posted by DZ

Just confirmed - there was a meeting in RI this morning.

Dennis, any word on results?

[DZ]

Originally Posted by piemma

Dennis, any word on results?

I know two people who attended but they won't say anything to me until tomorrow night.

[striperswiper75]

Was this a public meeting w a posted agenda?
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[DZ]

Originally Posted by striperswiper75

Was this a public meeting w a posted agenda?
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If it was I missed it.

[Redsoxticket]

I wish I had gone to the meeting I would have worn I still tip shoes and make sure everybody goes home with orthodontics braces
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[bobber]

Originally Posted by DZ

I just got word from Charles Witek from NY who is monitoring what NY fisheries folks are doing about 2015 regs. His response below:
{Right now, the states are negotiating together, trying to reach agreement on common regulations.
New York regulators favor one fish. However, if other states--and this is being driven by the Rhode Island Charter and Party Boat Association--adopt a 2-fish bag for their for-hires, New York will go along in order to keep the competitive playing field level.}

Anybody aware of this? Not sure how I feel about negotiating behind the scenes without public input.

I've heard this from several sources--

If RI gets 2 fish for their charter fleet, then NY (and likely other states) will all flollow suit.


the RISAA guys NED TO GET ON THIS- they changed their official stance when the vote was coming due in October due to the sentiment of their members- NOW IS THE TIME TO MAN UP again.

let the committee members know their membership wants one fish per day for everyone

[Nebe]

Tell me. Who sits on these panels anyway? Charter captains??
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[ivanputski]

I swear i have practically zero faith in any sort of process anymore. This is so depressing to watch what is clearly happening. The fact that this is even a tough decision for some states is blatantly obvious that they are putting profit before maintaining a healthy resource ( which leads to sustainable profit anyways!!)
Anything less than a drastic cut in killing bass across the board is a corrupt back-room joke. Seriously... Tell me im wrong, and i'll show you a shortsighted person who is playing checkers with the resource and his pay instead of chess.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Tell me. Who sits on these panels anyway? Charter captains??
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Fox guarding the hen house.

[thefishingfreak]

Charter captains and comercial fishermen
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Tell me. Who sits on these panels anyway? Charter captains??
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I'm sure there are some . They are pretty proactive guys . FYI We are all on the same team.
Everybody's trying to reach the 25% reduction . I think that's a good thing
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[Nebe]

No you are not on the same team. 1 dead fish vs 2 dead fish is not a 25% reduction.

That's like bill Clinton saying that a blow job doesn't count as "sexual relations".
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

No you are not on the same team. 1 dead fish vs 2 dead fish is not a 25% reduction.

That's like bill Clinton saying that a blow job doesn't count as "sexual relations".
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Well that's a WTF analogy.
I'm amazed you havent been able to follow along in this conversation at all. Just because you're allowed to take two fish doesn't mean you will anymore than you being allowed to take one means you will catch one .
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[Piscator]

Originally Posted by Nebe

No you are not on the same team. 1 dead fish vs 2 dead fish is not a 25% reduction.

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It's like banging one chick that's a 10 vs 2 chicks that are both 5's...same thing
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Piscator

It's like banging one chick that's a 10 vs 2 chicks that are both 5's...same thing
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Much better analogy!!!!
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[afterhours]

Originally Posted by bobber

the RISAA guys NED TO GET ON THIS- they changed their official stance when the vote was coming due in October due to the sentiment of their members- NOW IS THE TIME TO MAN UP again.

let the committee members know their membership wants one fish per day for everyone

I agree.

[striperswiper75]

Originally Posted by buckman

I'm sure there are some . They are pretty proactive guys . FYI We are all on the same team.
Everybody's trying to reach the 25% reduction . I think that's a good thing
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If we are all on the same team we should have the same recreational reduction across the board. Charters (recreational) should not have separate guidelines than (non charter) recreational. If we are all on the same team we should follow the will of the people who overwhelmingly supported a recreational reduction based on 1 fish a day.
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[ivanputski]

Originally Posted by buckman

FYI We are all on the same team.
Everybody's trying to reach the 25% reduction . I think that's a good thing
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Why do i get the feeling that you think the reduction is a good thing strictly contingent upon being allowed 2 fish per day?
Your continued opposition to 1 fish, and strong support of being allowed to continue killing 2 per day does not put you and me on the same side...
I'm on the side of killing less so there are more fish alive in the ocean... You seem to be on the side of killing more so there's no interruption of money in your pocket. You just cant have it both ways.
The asmfc made that clever little conservational equivalency "menu" yet they forgot the fine print that says " selecting certain options leads to less fish in the ocean"
All those options were created so the asmfc can pass the final decision off to the states in a crappy attempt to make everyone happy without looking like the bad guy... All while sitting pretty under their window-dressing vote of " look! We passed 1@28" and we did our job".
Buuuuulllll shhhhhhhhh you did!
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[Ed B]

We need to find out the results of the meeting. Facts first.

[thefishingfreak]

The didn't pass 1@28"
They passed 25%.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Much better analogy!!!!
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No it's not . Don't get him started
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[Ed B]

I am following along. There was a meeting in RI today and we have no information. DZ is on the SB committee and he has no information either.

[buckman]

Two fish over 33" a day for every client including mate and crew isn't going to happen and any captain that tells you he can do it day after day is full of crap .
A lot of experts here but nobody really understands marketing. It's all about the perception and then sell the experience. Nobody's going on a six pack charter with the anticipation and excitement of catching 1/ 28 inch bass .
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[striperswiper75]

From the ASMFC press release;

The coastal recreational fishery harvest will be reduced by implementing a one fish bag limit while keeping a 28” size limit. Under Amendment 6, states may use conservation equivalency to develop state-specific measures that are different than a one fish bag limit and 28” size limit for their coastal fisheries but still achieve a 25% reduction in harvest.

So the reduction was set at 1 @ 28 by ASMFC.
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[striperswiper75]

Originally Posted by buckman

A lot of experts here but nobody really understands marketing. It's all about the perception and then sell the experience. Nobody's going on a six pack charter with the anticipation and excitement of catching 1/ 28 inch bass .
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I have been on 6 pack charters before and didn't care about how many fish I caught. Many people go on 6 pack charters for the experience, so to say no one would go on a charter w 1@ 28 is blatantly false
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[Linesider82]

^^^ couldn't agree more ^^^
No one in the history of fishing has ever said if I don't catch fish I'll never fish again.

Also there is nothing stopping anyone from catching a limit and still targeting the same species. If you are an owner/ operator and your business model is to limit out then drive your fares back to the slip, then your business model is flawed with greed alone.
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