Close SW Ledge - Page 2 - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

buckman · 03-17-2015, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ronfish

Since quite a few people think closing areas is a good thing then why didn't we push for a moratorium on the stripers. This would stand a better chance of being adjusted in the future whereas once an area is closed for whatever reason it generally remains closed because you now get other groups involved, ie. PITA.
I would rather see a coast wide moratorium to help rebuild the stock. It meets the prerequisite of being simple to enforce and an be applied coast wide.
Ron

I almost joked that sone of you were aligned with PITA but this is getting downright frightening
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big jay · 03-17-2015, 08:41 AM

^^I'm with Buckman on this one..
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Raven · 03-17-2015, 08:44 AM

Nature has a way of re-bounding
lets hope that happens here...

Headhunter · 03-17-2015, 08:44 AM

Simple then.................................1 @ 28 for everyone and if you dont stick it and land it its not yours to keep.

dannyplug1 · 03-17-2015, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Raven

Nature has a way of re-bounding
lets hope that happens here...

Sure just like the codfish on the georges bank

rockdoc · 03-17-2015, 09:07 AM

I don't get the charter guys keeping their limit of big breeders, and fighting for 2 each. Shooting themselves and everyone else in the foot.....

Walking down the docks at Montauk the past 10 years and seeing a dozen 30 lb 40 lb bass behind each of the many boats there twice a day each it sure looks like the end is coming for the stripers.

Headhunter · 03-17-2015, 09:52 AM

Would anyone support 2 between 28 and 34. you would see the YOY explode and the big fish abound in 4 years? just imagine nothing over 16 pounds getting killed. Easy to enforce also, even at the fish market or any wholesale or retail outlet!!

ronfish · 03-17-2015, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman

I almost joked that sone of you were aligned with PITA but this is getting downright frightening
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I am not aligned with PITA but have had to deal with them in other arenas. Believe me you don't want to close areas as marine protective zones and then try and get the reopened. Ron

MakoMike · 03-17-2015, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Headhunter

Would anyone support 2 between 28 and 34. you would see the YOY explode and the big fish abound in 4 years? just imagine nothing over 16 pounds getting killed. Easy to enforce also, even at the fish market or any wholesale or retail outlet!!

read this http://www.bayjournal.com/article/li...ahead_for_fish and then tell me about the YOY index.

MakoMike · 03-17-2015, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe

No surprise that the 3 charter captians chime in to say you have your head up your arse.

Hmm. Let's see. Bass leaving the Chesapeake head up south side of Long Island... Bass leave Hudson and ct rivers heading along the north side of Long Island.... They both meet at......... SW LEDGE.
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Bass from the Hudson rarely migrate more than 50 miles from the mouth of the river. Don't believe me, look it up.

There goes another theory shot to hell.

Jackbass · 03-17-2015, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by big jay

Some enterprising individual started a FB page last season to close the canal to fishing...
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He probably wore tight pants and rode a bicycle 100 mph.
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Headhunter · 03-17-2015, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

read this http://www.bayjournal.com/article/li...ahead_for_fish and then tell me about the YOY index.

All the more reason to not kill the breeders if less of their eggs are reaching maturity. more eggs more chance of them hatching and surviving. Not rocket science.
Take a look at my name, I dont fish for small fish, its time to sacrifice a little for the sake of the fishery. I want my children and their children to be able to catch a fish that makes your heart pound out of your chest and do it standing on a rock. Lord knows I have killed my share of big fish and I would love to be able to do it again, but I will not do it if there is a chance my children are going to pay for it by not experiencing it with their children if they so desire. It looks like we all are fishing by the same regs anyway and that is a start....................not going to be enough to make a huge difference in a short period of time in my humble opinion

zimmy · 03-17-2015, 01:24 PM

"Striped bass crashed because of overfishing in the 1980s, which was also a time when the AMO was in a phase unfavorable for their recruitment, so fish being caught were not being replaced. The ensuing rebound of striped bass stocks is often touted as a major fishery management success as managers took dramatic actions, including a coastwide moratorium, to protect the spawning stock. And it was. But Wood's work strongly suggests that managers also got lucky - their fishing moratorium coincided with an AMO shift that greatly improved striped bass spawning conditions. "Had the weather not turned, we would have been waiting longer for that recovery," he said."

This time we may not get so lucky.

zimmy · 03-17-2015, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

Bass from the Hudson rarely migrate more than 50 miles from the mouth of the river. Don't believe me, look it up.

There goes another theory shot to hell.

Link please.

I have heard that about yearlings, but not about breeding age fish. I could not verify/replicate your statement.
An example of what I found.:
"Angler returns of tags have shown that Hudson River striped bass travel as far north as Nova Scotia, and as far south as North Carolina." http://www.hudsonriver.org/?x=sb/index

Nebe · 03-17-2015, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

Bass from the Hudson rarely migrate more than 50 miles from the mouth of the river. Don't believe me, look it up.

There goes another theory shot to hell.

Ask Al Anderson how many Hudson River fish he has tagged.
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Nebe · 03-17-2015, 01:59 PM

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...2#.VQh5NkKoukg

This clearly states that Hudson river fish go all over the place.

MakoMike · 03-17-2015, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by zimmy

Link please.

I have heard that about yearlings, but not about breeding age fish. I could not verify/replicate your statement.
An example of what I found.:
"Angler returns of tags have shown that Hudson River striped bass travel as far north as Nova Scotia, and as far south as North Carolina." http://www.hudsonriver.org/?x=sb/index

See document attached from the U.S.F&WS

Headhunter · 03-17-2015, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

See document attached from the U.S.F&WS

Is that study not from 1983? Much more up to date data available than that.

zimmy · 03-17-2015, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Headhunter

Is that study not from 1983? Much more up to date data available than that.

FWS quotes a 1981 study by Mclaren, which I saw earlier today. The full paper wasn't available online, but what I could read of the original paper raised some questions to me about their conclusions so I dug around literature a bit. The 1981 paper seems to have been mostly dismissed since then. So yes, it is old and outdated info.

For example:
"Tagging studies performed between 1948 and 1952 concluded that theHudson River stock limited its movements outside the river to western Long Island (Raney et al. 1954). McLaren et
al. (1981), based on tagging done in 1976 and 1977 reported somewhat broader coastal movements, but only as far
northward as Newburyport, Massachusetts, and an absence of a relationship between fish length and distance from
the river. But tagging of striped bass conducted in the Hudson River between 1984 and 1988 showed an expansion
of range, with recoveries made northward as far as Maine and the Annapolis River, Nova Scotia (Waldman et al.
1990a). They also found a strong relationship between fish length and distance from the river, and interpreted the
absence of such a relationship in the results of McLaren et al. (1981) as an artifact of size-dependent tag retention
(Waldman et al. 1990b). "
http://www.esf.edu/efb/limburg/Hudso...ookchapter.pdf

MAKAI · 03-17-2015, 09:43 PM

Nothing for nothing.
I turned a tag in for a bass about 20 pounds I caught off Rockport Mass.
When they sent me my lame hat I was informed the fish was tagged in the Hudson River.
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bobber · 03-18-2015, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

Bass from the Hudson rarely migrate more than 50 miles from the mouth of the river. Don't believe me, look it up.

There goes another theory shot to hell.

I don't beleive most of what you say

MakoMike · 03-18-2015, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bobber

I don't beleive most of what you say

Your loss, not mine.

CowHunter · 03-18-2015, 06:03 PM

Didn't Rhode Island go to 1 fish at 28" for all? You can come to nj and kill 2 at 28" and 1 over 43" per angler lol
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CowHunter · 03-18-2015, 06:17 PM

And correct me if I'm wrong but isn't like 90 percent of SW "closed"
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shadow · 03-18-2015, 08:28 PM

Well 3 miles of it is not closed and a lot more then that is fished illegally. ...so it doesn't matter how much is open or closed bc greedy ass people fish where they choose. So that point means 0 .....
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zacs · 03-19-2015, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by shadow

Well 3 miles of it is not closed and a lot more then that is fished illegally. ...so it doesn't matter how much is open or closed bc greedy ass people fish where they choose. So that point means 0 .....
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if you define ledge as a reef or rocky uprising from the ocean floor, then I would actually say about 95% of SW Ledge is outside the line, FWIW. It is relatively flat with a few small rockpiles between the rocky coastal environment of the SW Point/ Black Rock zone and The Ledge.

I think a lot of people fish in that coastal zone of SW Point / Black Rock, and call it SW Ledge, which it is not, IMO. Although it is not mud flats, it is rocky all the way to the ledge, and there can be fish holding almost anywhere...

MakoMike · 03-19-2015, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by zacs

if you define ledge as a reef or rocky uprising from the ocean floor, then I would actually say about 95% of SW Ledge is outside the line, FWIW. It is relatively flat with a few small rockpiles between the rocky coastal environment of the SW Point/ Black Rock zone and The Ledge.

I think a lot of people fish in that coastal zone of SW Point / Black Rock, and call it SW Ledge, which it is not, IMO. Although it is not mud flats, it is rocky all the way to the ledge, and there can be fish holding almost anywhere...

Absolutely correct. Plus in years past the green cops were out there issuing summonses to all of the boats fishing outside the line and at the sub buoy.

Roger · 03-19-2015, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

Absolutely correct. Plus in years past the green cops were out there issuing summonses to all of the boats fishing outside the line and at the sub buoy.

When targeting bluefish for sharking, we fish the ledge outside the 3 mile line and pretty much have the place to ourselves. Those periodic enforcements seem to leave an impression.