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Old 01-31-2017, 05:02 PM   #91
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GREAT post debutch

"A government that does not trust it's law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is itself unworthy of trust" James Madison

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Regan
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Old 01-31-2017, 05:06 PM   #92
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But you read it (or did you just do a search for those words?) and you still don't know what the intent was. Maybe you should read it a little slower and think about what it means. How was that?

Even Paul Ryan knows the "intent"

"Now, I think it’s regrettable that there was some confusion on the rollout of this,” Mr. Ryan added. “No one wanted to see people with green cards or special immigrant visas, like translators, get caught up in all of this."

I might have even posted a tweet of Pres. Trump's where he called it a "ban".
There is nothing in the quote you posted by Ryan that says The executive order intended to ban green card holders or those with special visas. He regrets that there was confusion. That does not mean he thinks there was intent to block green card or special visa holders. He fully supports the EO as written. And depending on Trump to define something requires understanding his special (alaternative ) use of language.
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GREAT post debutch
which one?
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Old 01-31-2017, 10:23 PM   #94
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"A government that does not trust it's law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is itself unworthy of trust" James Madison

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WASHINGTON ― It’s been less than a week since President Donald Trump signed a sweeping ban on certain foreign nationals and all refugees entering the U.S., but his administration has already had to make multiple tweaks to account for its vague language.

The administration made another change on Wednesday. A counsel to the president issued guidance to government agencies saying the executive order does not apply to legal permanent residents, also known as green card holders, and that they will no longer need special waivers to re-enter the U.S. White House press secretary Sean Spicer announced the “update,” as he put it, during a daily briefing with reporters.

Trump’s initial executive order , which he signed Friday, was phrased so broadly that it affected green card holders who had left the country only to find out later that the president had tried to block their return.

The order bars most nationals of seven Muslim-majority countries ― Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen ― from entering the country for at least 90 days. It also suspends refugee resettlement for 120 days, and indefinitely blocks Syrian refugees from the United States.

The ban was applied to legal permanent residents originally from those seven countries, many of whom were initially detained upon returning to the United States. More than 1,000 of them were admitted under special waivers. Now, based on the White House guidance, those individuals will not need a waiver.

The Department of Homeland Security announced additional exceptions to the ban on Tuesday, including Iraqis who worked for the U.S. government in positions such as translators. Officials also said the ban does not apply to dual nationals of the seven countries. For example, someone with Syrian and French nationality can enter the U.S. using their French passport.

The exceptions only apply to a small fraction of the population potentially affected by the order: tens of thousands of refugees and millions of citizens of the seven countries who are still barred from visiting the U.S. to work, study, see family or receive medical care.

The initial language allowed for very few exceptions. Some Republicans particularly balked at the inclusion of legal permanent residents and Iraqis who assisted U.S. troops. Members of Congress said they received little guidance about the order, even after it went into effect.

Trump has denied that there were any issues with implementing the order.

“It’s working out very nicely,” he said Saturday.


The latest change to the order came after Donald McGahn, counsel to the president, advised that there was “reasonable uncertainty about whether those provisions apply to lawful permanent residents,” Politico first reported
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Old 02-02-2017, 09:31 AM   #96
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Old 02-02-2017, 09:06 PM   #97
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"personally the big bad wolf is a creation to gain control"

I see. The threat of Islamic jihad, is a fabrication, designed to gain control. Tell that to the people who had their legs blown off at the Boston Marathon. Tell that to the people who jumped out of the World Trade Center.

yes Islamic Jihad is a Fabrication and

this fabrications has cost 4,424 total deaths (including both killed in action and non-hostile) and 31,952 wounded in action (WIA) as a result of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

2,386 U.S. military deaths in the War in Afghanistan. 1,834 of these deaths have been the result of hostile action. 20,049 American service members have also been wounded in action during the war. In addition, there were 1,173 U.S. civilian contractor fatalities.

1983 bombing at a Marine compound in Beirut, Lebanon, that killed 241 US service personnel.

all Created By F up US interventions
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Old 02-02-2017, 10:18 PM   #98
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yes Islamic Jihad is a Fabrication
So what happened on 9/11? At Ft Hood? In Boston? In Paris? What organization was Osama Bin Laden the leader of, and what was their goal?
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So what happened on 9/11? At Ft Hood? In Boston? In Paris? What organization was Osama Bin Laden the leader of, and what was their goal?

Murder ... what was Timothy McVeigh motive ?? just because it didn't have religion attached it is still terrorism


the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. Terrorism

terrorist leaders like Bin Laden use the parts of their religion to control their minions ,, the IRA did the same and Goverments use the counter narrative of freedom and security to justify their action and limit the freedoms they say they support
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Murder ... what was Timothy McVeigh motive ?? just because it didn't have religion attached it is still terrorism


the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. Terrorism

terrorist leaders like Bin Laden use the parts of their religion to control their minions ,, the IRA did the same and Goverments use the counter narrative of freedom and security to justify their action and limit the freedoms they say they support
"what was Timothy McVeigh motive ?? "

Anti-federal government. Fair enough?

"just because it didn't have religion attached it is still terrorism"

Agreed 100%. McVeigh was an ultra right wing, anti federal government terrorist. People who bomb abortion clinics are Christian terrorists. But while one is too many of these kooks, there aren't a lot of them. If 1% of Muslims support jihad, that's millions and millions of them.

You seem to be making the case that there are other terrorists besides Islamic jihadists. I don't think anyone disagrees with you. But you also said the notion of Islamic jihad was a fabrication. Not true. Just because not all terrorists are Islamic, doesn't mean there's no such thing as an Islamic terrorist.
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"what was Timothy McVeigh motive ?? "

Anti-federal government. Fair enough?

"just because it didn't have religion attached it is still terrorism"

Agreed 100%. McVeigh was an ultra right wing, anti federal government terrorist. People who bomb abortion clinics are Christian terrorists. But while one is too many of these kooks, there aren't a lot of them. If 1% of Muslims support jihad, that's millions and millions of them.

You seem to be making the case that there are other terrorists besides Islamic jihadists. I don't think anyone disagrees with you. But you also said the notion of Islamic jihad was a fabrication. Not true. Just because not all terrorists are Islamic, doesn't mean there's no such thing as an Islamic terrorist.

Let me clarify is there Islamic jihad yes .. The fabrication I refer is the threat they actually pose to the United states ... thats where I call the BS card

Research into terrorist attacks on US soil between 1975 and 2015 shows foreign nationals from those countries have killed no Americans
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Let me clarify is there Islamic jihad yes .. The fabrication I refer is the threat they actually pose to the United states ... thats where I call the BS card

Research into terrorist attacks on US soil between 1975 and 2015 shows foreign nationals from those countries have killed no Americans
What was the motive of those who killed Americans in the name of Allah?
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Research into terrorist attacks on US soil between 1975 and 2015 shows foreign nationals from those countries have killed no Americans
I am not sure who those researchers are that say that but what about how many Americans have been killed over in those countries by their locals? If they want to torture and kill us over there, then why in God's name would we allow them to come here to our country? seriously wtf how come people don't get it?

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Let me clarify is there Islamic jihad yes .. The fabrication I refer is the threat they actually pose to the United states ... thats where I call the BS card

Research into terrorist attacks on US soil between 1975 and 2015 shows foreign nationals from those countries have killed no Americans
"Let me clarify is there Islamic jihad yes .. The fabrication I refer is the threat they actually pose to the United states ... thats where I call the BS card "

Well, that is different. We should continually examine the threat they pose, and not over-react to the point it does more harm than good.

"Research into terrorist attacks on US soil between 1975 and 2015 shows foreign nationals from those countries have killed no Americans"

The list of countries subject to the ban, came from the Obama administration. Chuck Schumer, after the Paris attacks, suggested a ban might be necessary Now he cries (literally) that it is un-American. That's political BS.
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Old 02-03-2017, 11:31 AM   #105
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I am not sure who those researchers are that say that but what about how many Americans have been killed over in those countries by their locals? If they want to torture and kill us over there, then why in God's name would we allow them to come here to our country? seriously wtf how come people don't get it?
Even if they aren't violent people, we need to be very careful about who we let in. We can have different ethnicities, that makes us better as a whole. But we can only have one culture. And these people are not assimilating well, in other western nations, what they do, is establish little enclaves in those western nations that look a lot like the Middle East. No, thanks. The Europeans and Scandanavians are having a real cultural struggle.
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Let me clarify is there Islamic jihad yes ..
phew.....thought you'd gone right off the cliff there for a bit
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So we were less safe in November? but now with Trump in office we are Magically safer ... ok sure we are !!!

info for uniformed Americans : Islamic jihadist Kill other Muslims by the thousands and non Muslims it doesn't not matter to them

But here in America its sold solely as an US against Them argument


The UN concluded that in the first eight months of 2014, at least 9,347 civilians had been killed and at least 17,386 wounded. While all these deaths are not attributable to ISIS alone, ISIS is identified as the primary actor.

Here are a few examples from the report to give you an idea of the way ISIS has methodically slaughtered Muslims:
-On September 5, ISIS executed three Sunni women in Mosul. What was their “crime”? They refused to provide medical care to ISIS fighters.
- On September 9, ISIS executed a Sunni Imam in western Mosul for refusing to swear loyalty to ISIS.
- On August 2, a man from the Salah ad Din province was abducted and beheaded for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS.
-On August 19, a female Muslim doctor south of Mosul was killed for organizing a protest to object to ISIS’ mandate that female doctors cover their faces with religious veils when treating patients
-On August 31, 19 Sunni Muslim men were executed in Saadiya for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS.
-On July 22, a Sunni Imam in Eastern Baquba was killed for simply denouncing ISIS.
-On September 9, ISIS executed two Muslim women by shooting them in the back of the head. Their exact “crime” was not known.
And the list goes on from ISIS slaughtering 1,500 Iraqi soldiers in June to blowing up numerous Sunni mosques because apparently the leaders of those mosques refused to swear loyalty to ISIS.
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Old 02-03-2017, 08:07 PM   #108
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So we were less safe in November? but now with Trump in office we are Magically safer ... ok sure we are !!!

info for uniformed Americans : Islamic jihadist Kill other Muslims by the thousands and non Muslims it doesn't not matter to them

But here in America its sold solely as an US against Them argument


The UN concluded that in the first eight months of 2014, at least 9,347 civilians had been killed and at least 17,386 wounded. While all these deaths are not attributable to ISIS alone, ISIS is identified as the primary actor.

Here are a few examples from the report to give you an idea of the way ISIS has methodically slaughtered Muslims:
-On September 5, ISIS executed three Sunni women in Mosul. What was their “crime”? They refused to provide medical care to ISIS fighters.
- On September 9, ISIS executed a Sunni Imam in western Mosul for refusing to swear loyalty to ISIS.
- On August 2, a man from the Salah ad Din province was abducted and beheaded for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS.
-On August 19, a female Muslim doctor south of Mosul was killed for organizing a protest to object to ISIS’ mandate that female doctors cover their faces with religious veils when treating patients
-On August 31, 19 Sunni Muslim men were executed in Saadiya for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS.
-On July 22, a Sunni Imam in Eastern Baquba was killed for simply denouncing ISIS.
-On September 9, ISIS executed two Muslim women by shooting them in the back of the head. Their exact “crime” was not known.
And the list goes on from ISIS slaughtering 1,500 Iraqi soldiers in June to blowing up numerous Sunni mosques because apparently the leaders of those mosques refused to swear loyalty to ISIS.
What makes you think that we don't know this? That we are uninformed about it? We have been informed about it over and over. I doubt there is anyone who regularly participates in the political forum is unaware of it.

Those Muslim on Muslim atrocities to which you refer are in Muslim dominated countries. So it would follow that more Muslims would be killed in those countries. As the Muslim population grows, the greater the number of Muslims as well as everyone else standing in their way, will be killed by Jihadists. And it is all the more reason that until we resolve the jihadi problem, the greater the number of Muslims that emigrate to the U.S. the greater the number of Islamic atrocities we will incur, whether they be against Muslims or non-Muslims.
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Old 02-03-2017, 08:40 PM   #109
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So we were less safe in November? but now with Trump in office we are Magically safer ... ok sure we are !!!

info for uniformed Americans : Islamic jihadist Kill other Muslims by the thousands and non Muslims it doesn't not matter to them

But here in America its sold solely as an US against Them argument


The UN concluded that in the first eight months of 2014, at least 9,347 civilians had been killed and at least 17,386 wounded. While all these deaths are not attributable to ISIS alone, ISIS is identified as the primary actor.

Here are a few examples from the report to give you an idea of the way ISIS has methodically slaughtered Muslims:
-On September 5, ISIS executed three Sunni women in Mosul. What was their “crime”? They refused to provide medical care to ISIS fighters.
- On September 9, ISIS executed a Sunni Imam in western Mosul for refusing to swear loyalty to ISIS.
- On August 2, a man from the Salah ad Din province was abducted and beheaded for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS.
-On August 19, a female Muslim doctor south of Mosul was killed for organizing a protest to object to ISIS’ mandate that female doctors cover their faces with religious veils when treating patients
-On August 31, 19 Sunni Muslim men were executed in Saadiya for refusing to swear allegiance to ISIS.
-On July 22, a Sunni Imam in Eastern Baquba was killed for simply denouncing ISIS.
-On September 9, ISIS executed two Muslim women by shooting them in the back of the head. Their exact “crime” was not known.
And the list goes on from ISIS slaughtering 1,500 Iraqi soldiers in June to blowing up numerous Sunni mosques because apparently the leaders of those mosques refused to swear loyalty to ISIS.
"Islamic jihadist Kill other Muslims by the thousands and non Muslims it doesn't not matter to them

But here in America its sold solely as an US against Them argument "

Please name one person of influence, just one, who denies that jihadists kill people other than Americans.

"So we were less safe in November? but now with Trump in office we are Magically safer ... ok sure we are !!! "

Who said that?

Can you stop responding to things that nobody said?
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Let me clarify is there Islamic jihad yes .. The fabrication I refer is the threat they actually pose to the United states ... thats where I call the BS card

Research into terrorist attacks on US soil between 1975 and 2015 shows foreign nationals from those countries have killed no Americans
Really??? What was San Bernadino?
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Who said that?

Can you stop responding to things that nobody said?


The Administration or Haven't you been listening ..I will use a name if it makes it easier when needed

kelly ann conway
"I think in terms of the upside being greater protection of our borders, of our people, it's a small price to pay."

Trump “We will keep it free and keep it safe, as the media knows, but refuses to say
“This is not about religion – this is about terror and keeping our country safe. We will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days.

Please name one person of influence, just one, who denies that jihadists kill people other than Americans. I cant because the dont admit it its not what they talk about its alway thereout to kill us all


why twist what I said it very clear in the united states the Argument id Framed us against them Trump’s action “is a response to a phantom menace.”

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/...eted-for-death
According to a report recently made public, early this year, ISIS specifically identified 15,000 Christian Americans for death and instructed jihadists already in America to begin widespread murder.


Rudy Giuliani What we did was, we focused on, instead of religion, danger,” the former New York City mayor said, in reference to the targeted nations: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen. “Which is a factual basis, not a religious basis. … It’s based on places where there are substantial evidence that people are sending terrorists into our country.”
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info for uniformed Americans : Islamic jihadist Kill other Muslims by the thousands and non Muslims it doesn't not matter to them

But here in America its sold solely as an US against Them argument
sorry...this is just dumb.....uninformed Americans are collectively offended

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