Charlottesville

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So for the 3rd time - how are the Nazi's and KKK "fine" people in VA.

I know President Trump has reposted things from Neo Nazi sites in the past but can someone pls. explain how they are fine people and how did he know that?

"So for the 3rd time - how are the Nazi's and KKK "fine" people in VA"

They aren't. The ones who truly are Nazis and KKK, are bad people. Fair enough?

Was every single person protesting the removal of the statues, a Nazi or a Klansmen? I don't know. Condaleeza Rice is adamantly opposed to removing the statues, but didn't march for it. Does that make her a Nazi or a Klansman?

I don't know that anyone is saying that white supremacists are morally superior to the ANTIFA anarchists. Can't we say they are both bad? Maybe not equally bad, but both bad nonetheless?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"So for the 3rd time - how are the Nazi's and KKK "fine" people in VA"

They aren't. The ones who truly are Nazis and KKK, are bad people. Fair enough?

Was every single person protesting the removal of the statues, a Nazi or a Klansmen? I don't know. Condaleeza Rice is adamantly opposed to removing the statues, but didn't march for it. Does that make her a Nazi or a Klansman?It doesn't make her a nazi and no one called her that. But if she was there to protest the removal and heard the vile chants about Jews and kept marching and didn't leave that would make her complicit.

I don't know that anyone is saying that white supremacists are morally superior to the ANTIFA anarchists. I think a fair interpretation of what Pres. Trump said was that they were equal in some way. Can't we say they are both bad? Maybe not equally bad, but both bad nonetheless?

Yes, antifa/anarchists are bad when they resort to violence but they don't have a history of killings like the KKK or Nazis so I wouldn't put them in the same sentence as Nazis. And I'm not here to defend them in any way - just comment on what our Pres. said.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Yes, antifa/anarchists are bad when they resort to violence but they don't have a history of killings like the KKK or Nazis so I wouldn't put them in the same sentence as Nazis. And I'm not here to defend them in any way - just comment on what our Pres. said.

"It doesn't make her a nazi and no one called her that. But if she was there to protest the removal and heard the vile chants about Jews and kept marching and didn't leave that would make her complicit"

Agreed. Well said.

"I think a fair interpretation of what Pres. Trump said was that they were equal in some way"

Most of the criticism I saw, was that he sympathized with the Nazis, and I think that was a looney tunes interpretation of what he said. He condemned violence and bigotry on all sides. Paul, if you look at what he has historically said on video, he condemns white supremacists again and again and again. Sure, he could have used better language to single out the Nazis. But it's quite a leap from that, to saying he sympathizes with them.

As usual, his language choice could have been better. That will be a very consistent criticism of the man.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Yes, antifa/anarchists are bad when they resort to violence but they don't have a history of killings like the KKK or Nazis so I wouldn't put them in the same sentence as Nazis. And I'm not here to defend them in any way - just comment on what our Pres. said.

Nazis don't have the same history of killing people as Commies?

Or Make Believe Nazis (the kind we really have) don't have much a history of killing, no more than the Make Believe Commies.

I do think there is enough chance for real violence on the hard right Nazi/Klan types, just as there is from the Commie/Marxist/Anarchist bend.

Should take a close look at the Socialist Rifle Association, Redneck Revolt, and John Brown Gun Club. No better, or IMO, different, than militarized NeoNazis.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Nazis don't have the same history of killing people as Commies?What does Commies have to do with? Are you saying Antifa are commies?

Or Make Believe Nazis (the kind we really have) don't have much a history of killing, no more than the Make Believe Commies.Is the Joe McCarthy type of make believe Commies? The KKK killed enough here - didn't they?

I do think there is enough chance for real violence on the hard right Nazi/Klan types, just as there is from the Commie/Marxist/Anarchist bend.

Should take a close look at the Socialist Rifle Association, Redneck Revolt, and John Brown Gun Club. No better, or IMO, different, than militarized NeoNazis.

Take a look at anyone you want. Anyone who commits violence is the same. But in our country the far right has committed more violence than the far left.

I'm more concerned about our President's reaction to Charlottesville.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Take a look at anyone you want. Anyone who commits violence is the same. But in our country the far right has committed more violence than the far left.

I'm more concerned about our President's reaction to Charlottesville.

Errr, I don't know if the far right has committed more than the far left. Send them both to the klink - IF and WHEN - they have committed violence, and after proper justice.

I am more concerned about a bunch of anarchists and young Marxists running around as an army wanting revolution.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Errr, I don't know if the far right has committed more than the far left. Send them both to the klink - IF and WHEN - they have committed violence, and after proper justice.Just as I've said a few times

I am more concerned about a bunch of anarchists and young Marxists running around as an army wanting revolution.

We can disagree bc at this point I 'm more concerned w/a bunch of Neo Nazis and KKK.

[Got Stripers]

I don't think we will ever know what percentage of the protesters were average Joe's and Janes with old southern roots, that didn't want to see part of their history torn down.

I just think Trump's mouth is so far ahead of common sense that he can't help setting himself up for constant criticism from the press. It was a very bad time to make that statement, that point might have been made separately at a later debate, one tied strictly to the reasoning for removing these historical statues.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But in our country the far right has committed more violence than the far left.

I'm more concerned about our President's reaction to Charlottesville.

"But in our country the far right has committed more violence than the far left. "

That is very, very debatable. Depends on whether you are talking about frequency, severity, deaths, etc. Today, where is widespread violence committed by the right, other than one incident (and one is too many) in Charlotesville?

Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, cop assassinations, riots every time a white cop kills someone of color...of course there are radical righties who commit suicide, but there aren't large groups, large organizations of conservatives dedicated to anarchy.

"I'm more concerned about our President's reaction to Charlottesville"

He condemns all violence and bigotry. What an atrocious position to take.