Pocahontas? So What?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

you get the comedic benefit...and then the outrage form the left is icing on the cake

It is pretty funny listening to him. Makes you wonder what type of people voted for him (evangelicals LOL). I mentioned to my wife last night that I wonder what type of woman Melania was to even sit w/him for 10 min. on the first date w/o getting up and walking away.

After 8 years of your snarky whining this is nothing.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Trump's comments were those of an idiot. Are you not grasping that?

Oh. it is grasped. One idiot flake calling out another idiot fake.

Terrible setting, saying that in front of those people, Code Talkers, men that served with distinction (that many on the left probably likes only because they were victims).

Hilarious yet unsurprising that the media calls Trump out on it rather than years of Chief Sh!tt!ng Bull for lying about it in the first place.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

It is pretty funny listening to him. Makes you wonder what type of people voted for him (evangelicals LOL). I mentioned to my wife last night that I wonder what type of woman Melania was to even sit w/him for 10 min. on the first date w/o getting up and walking away.

After 8 years of your snarky whining this is nothing.

"Makes you wonder what type of people voted for him (evangelicals LOL)."

I'm a devout Catholic, and voting for him was unpleasant, but very easy. If you vote based on Christian beliefs (a big driver of my voting logic), at the national level, it will likely be a long time before a democrat is more attractive to a true Christian, than a Republican. Every cycle, the democratic party gets further and further away from Christian values. Fortunately for democrats, there are fewer and fewer Christians.

I would have preferred a Republican of character. I think the relationship between the liberals and the media, makes it very difficult for a decent, gentle Republican, to stand a chance. Look at what they did to Bush (called him a liar to start his war, called him a racist despite what he has done for Africa), McCain (a racist whose adopted black daughter, liberals said came from an extramarital affair), and Romney (painted as a heartless plutocrat, who was called a sexist because he kept a notebook of resumes of talented women, that makes all kinds of sense). So we went with a guy, maybe the only guy, who could take all that left wing bile, suck it up, and spit it right back in their face, as effortlessly as breathing, without breaking a sweat. It's completely natural for him.

Your side created this. You guaranteed that we would nominate someone like this. Kind of ironic, no?

and you can bet Melania is a gold digger. How many poor, jerky, 80 year-olds do you think she dated?

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"it will likely be a long time before a democrat is more attractive to a true Christian, than a Republican. Every cycle, the democratic party gets further and further away from Christian values. Fortunately for democrats, there are fewer and fewer Christians.

That is the biggest bs garbage. True Christian? Ha. Democratic party gets away from Christian values and the Republicans don't? You need to re-look into the teachings of Jesus. Also, don't try to sell me that Catholicism represents "true Christian." Jesus taught to care for the poor, the weak, the needy, judge not, etc. Not only do most religious sects distort his teachings, the platform of the republican party is the antithesis of his teachings in endless ways. Calling oneself Christian does not make one a follower of the teachings of Jesus.

[bart]

Originally Posted by zimmy

That is the biggest bs garbage. True Christian? Ha. Democratic party gets away from Christian values and the Republicans don't? You need to re-look into the teachings of Jesus. Also, don't try to sell me that Catholicism represents "true Christian." Jesus taught to care for the poor, the weak, the needy, judge not, etc. Not only do most religious sects distort his teachings, the platform of the republican party is the antithesis of his teachings in endless ways. Calling oneself Christian does not make one a follower of the teachings of Jesus.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

That is the biggest bs garbage. True Christian? Ha. Democratic party gets away from Christian values and the Republicans don't? You need to re-look into the teachings of Jesus. Also, don't try to sell me that Catholicism represents "true Christian." Jesus taught to care for the poor, the weak, the needy, judge not, etc. Not only do most religious sects distort his teachings, the platform of the republican party is the antithesis of his teachings in endless ways. Calling oneself Christian does not make one a follower of the teachings of Jesus.

"That is the biggest bs garbage"

Very easy to say. Not so easy to support with logic.

"Democratic party gets away from Christian values "

Hell, yes it does. The motto of the current democratic party is, "if it feels good, do it". You don't think that true Christians are more likely to identify with the Republican party, than the Democrat party?


"Also, don't try to sell me that Catholicism represents "true Christian." Jesus taught to care for the poor, the weak, the needy, judge not, etc"

Yes, Christianity in general, and Catholicism in particular, emphasize caring for the poor. On that you are 100% correct. However, you seem to assume that liberals/non-Christians care more about the poor than conservatives/Christians. There is zero evidence to support that. In fact, the one definitive study on the subject was called "Who Really Cares", was published in the New York Times (not a conservative publication), and it showed that conservatives give more time and money to charity, than liberals. Here is the study...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/op...21kristof.html

The Catholic Church isn't dedicated to helping the needy? Tell that to your neighbors who have received subsidized medical care at Catholic hospitals, subsidized education at Catholic schools, lodging at Catholic shelters, food at Catholic soup kitchens, etc... Last time I checked, the Catholic Church gave more money to help the poor, than any other organization except the US government.

"the platform of the republican party is the antithesis of his teachings in endless ways."

What the Democrats claim to be the GOP platform, absolutely is the antithesis of Christianity. But what liberals claim the GOP believes, is very different from what the GOP actually believes.

sanctity of life
the dignity and worth of the individual
individual freedom and responsibility
charity for the poor

The true GOP platform on these issues (as opposed to what MSNBC claims the GOP believes on these issues) is much more in line with Christianity, than the liberal platform. One need only look at the issue of abortion...but there are several other issues that make this clear. After the last few mass shootings, liberals are mercilessly attacking anyone who offers prayer for the families.

The GOP is FAR from perfect on these issues, in particular, the GOP (and Christianity) can be rigid on some social issues. But if you ask whether liberalism or conservatism more closely aligns with true Christian principles? Not even close. Not remotely close. The DNC despises true Christian principles.

"Calling oneself Christian does not make one a follower of the teachings of Jesus"

100% true. But actually behaving in a way that is consistent with those principles, does make one a Christian. Those principles are far more welcome on the political right, than on the left.

[DZ]

Very well said Jim.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by DZ

Very well said Jim.

Well said. Not accurate. Big business and profits over public health, the environment (public health issue). Individual rights claim as a way to discriminate against others. Sanctity of life- if you are referring to abortion- maybe; sanctity of life when you are talking about the right to clean water and air, health care, food quality, no.

The abortion/religion connection is somewhat bogus as well. Most people don't like abortion. The difference is whether a women makes that decision for herself or if Jim decides. Is it sad so many babies are aborted? Sure. What about the 50% of fertilized eggs that don't successfully implant? Sad. What about for those that do? Another 20% end fail in the first trimester.

In US, the numbers come out to about 12 million fertilized eggs per year. 6 million pregnancies 4 million live births. more than a million each miscarriages and abortions of choice. 9 out of 12 million fertilized eggs are not born and only about 1 million of those is due to the choice of the woman.

Having 1 kid, no kid, or 30 kids is a personal choice. I won't tell you or anyone else how many you should have. If republicans and so concerned about how many fertilized eggs become live births, they might also focus on improving reproductive health rather than defunding planned parenthood.

Not a single real piece of evidence that republicans value life more than democrats. Totally bogus.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Well said. Not accurate. Big business and profits over public health, the environment (public health issue). Individual rights claim as a way to discriminate against others. Sanctity of life- if you are referring to abortion- maybe; sanctity of life when you are talking about the right to clean water and air, health care, food quality, no.

The abortion/religion connection is somewhat bogus as well. Most people don't like abortion. The difference is whether a women makes that decision for herself or if Jim decides. Is it sad so many babies are aborted? Sure. What about the 50% of fertilized eggs that don't successfully implant? Sad. What about for those that do? Another 20% end fail in the first trimester.

In US, the numbers come out to about 12 million fertilized eggs per year. 6 million pregnancies 4 million live births. more than a million each miscarriages and abortions of choice. 9 out of 12 million fertilized eggs are not born and only about 1 million of those is due to the choice of the woman.

Having 1 kid, no kid, or 30 kids is a personal choice. I won't tell you or anyone else how many you should have. If republicans and so concerned about how many fertilized eggs become live births, they might also focus on improving reproductive health rather than defunding planned parenthood.

Not a single real piece of evidence that republicans value life more than democrats. Totally bogus.

I don't know if Jesus was a true Christian. But there is no evidence that he believed that government, especially secular government, should be responsible for either the physical or spiritual life of individuals. He seems to have preached that individual responsibility nonsense that the GOP spouts.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Well said. Not accurate. Big business and profits over public health, the environment (public health issue). Individual rights claim as a way to discriminate against others. Sanctity of life- if you are referring to abortion- maybe; sanctity of life when you are talking about the right to clean water and air, health care, food quality, no.

The abortion/religion connection is somewhat bogus as well. Most people don't like abortion. The difference is whether a women makes that decision for herself or if Jim decides. Is it sad so many babies are aborted? Sure. What about the 50% of fertilized eggs that don't successfully implant? Sad. What about for those that do? Another 20% end fail in the first trimester.

In US, the numbers come out to about 12 million fertilized eggs per year. 6 million pregnancies 4 million live births. more than a million each miscarriages and abortions of choice. 9 out of 12 million fertilized eggs are not born and only about 1 million of those is due to the choice of the woman.

Having 1 kid, no kid, or 30 kids is a personal choice. I won't tell you or anyone else how many you should have. If republicans and so concerned about how many fertilized eggs become live births, they might also focus on improving reproductive health rather than defunding planned parenthood.

Not a single real piece of evidence that republicans value life more than democrats. Totally bogus.

"Big business "

What does this mean, exactly? There is a liberal myth that republicans are happy to let businesses maximize profits even if it means slaughtering their employees and selling their organs on the black market. It's not true. Republicans are less hostile to business than democrats, that's typically true. I've never heard a republican call for a repeal of labor laws to let business run amuck. So I have no idea what your point is when you say "big business". I have news for you. Big business isn't bad. I have worked for big business my whole life, they employ thousands of Americans, generate wealth for shareholders, and give a ton of money to local charities.

"Individual rights claim as a way to discriminate against others"

Certain rights are guaranteed in the constitution, even if liberals are offended by them. Hurt feelings do not trump the Constitution. Do you agree?

"Sanctity of life- if you are referring to abortion- maybe; sanctity of life when you are talking about the right to clean water and air, health care, food quality, no"

You are making these crazy assumptions, for example, that Republicans don't like clean water and air. I spend a lot more time outdoors than most people. I think we have a responsibility to safeguard these beautiful ecosystems that give us so much. We need honest research about such things, and common sense reaction to them. I don't know any part of the GOP platform that endorses pollution. But we aren't a bunch of fanatical tree huggers, either. The right answer is probably somewhere in the middle.

"The abortion/religion connection is somewhat bogus as well"

The hell it is. Most conservatives are anti-abortion, most liberals are pro-abortion.

"Is it sad so many babies are aborted? Sure. What about the 50% of fertilized eggs that don't successfully implant? Sad. What about for those that do? Another 20% end fail in the first trimester. "

Nonsensical comparison. The latter events, while sometimes tragic, are natural. Abortion isn't. Apples and oranges. I happen to believe all life is precious, which is why I oppose both abortion and the death penalty, for the same exact reason.

"only about 1 million of those is due to the choice of the woman. "

What the heck, what's a million babies slaughtered in the womb each year, why cry over spilled milk. No reason to get so worked up.

Democrats are in favor of snuffing out a million lives a year. And you are trying to claim that this platform, more closely embraces Christianity? That's taking some liberties, boy.

"If republicans and so concerned about how many fertilized eggs become live births, they might also focus on improving reproductive health rather than defunding planned parenthood."

Anoother demonstrable false, bullsh*t lie. The GOP plans to de-fund Planned Parenthood, called for every cent that was formerly going to PP, to go to other women's health centers that don't do abortions.

See, this is what your side does. If the GOP wants to fund actual health care but not elective abortions, you know you cannot win that argument. So you lie, and claim that we oppose women's health. There is zero truth to that. But your side frames it this way, so that your position doesn't seem as evil as it actually is.

Try to follow along. We favor the funding of women's health. That does NOT include elective abortions. Am I going too fast for you?

All you did, was recite MSNBC bumper stickers. Little truth or logic. But that's liberalism.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Well said. Not accurate. Big business and profits over public health, the environment (public health issue). Individual rights claim as a way to discriminate against others. Sanctity of life- if you are referring to abortion- maybe; sanctity of life when you are talking about the right to clean water and air, health care, food quality, no.

The abortion/religion connection is somewhat bogus as well. Most people don't like abortion. The difference is whether a women makes that decision for herself or if Jim decides. Is it sad so many babies are aborted? Sure. What about the 50% of fertilized eggs that don't successfully implant? Sad. What about for those that do? Another 20% end fail in the first trimester.

In US, the numbers come out to about 12 million fertilized eggs per year. 6 million pregnancies 4 million live births. more than a million each miscarriages and abortions of choice. 9 out of 12 million fertilized eggs are not born and only about 1 million of those is due to the choice of the woman.

Having 1 kid, no kid, or 30 kids is a personal choice. I won't tell you or anyone else how many you should have. If republicans and so concerned about how many fertilized eggs become live births, they might also focus on improving reproductive health rather than defunding planned parenthood.

Not a single real piece of evidence that republicans value life more than democrats. Totally bogus.

You said the following two things.

(1) only about 1 million of those (unborn deaths) is due to the choice of the woman.

And then,

(2) Not a single real piece of evidence that republicans value life more than democrats

Your side advocates for the right to slaughter a million unborn babies every single year. My side opposes that. And you don't concede, that means my side values life more than your side.

I also posted a study which says that conservatives are also more charitable (not by much at all) than liberals.

That's quite a bit of evidence that my side has more empathy for the voiceless and the vulnerable. Which is why I like my side.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"That is the biggest bs garbage"

Very easy to say. Not so easy to support with logic.

"Democratic party gets away from Christian values "

Hell, yes it does. The motto of the current democratic party is, "if it feels good, do it". You don't think that true Christians are more likely to identify with the Republican party, than the Democrat party?


"Also, don't try to sell me that Catholicism represents "true Christian." Jesus taught to care for the poor, the weak, the needy, judge not, etc"

Yes, Christianity in general, and Catholicism in particular, emphasize caring for the poor. On that you are 100% correct. However, you seem to assume that liberals/non-Christians care more about the poor than conservatives/Christians. There is zero evidence to support that. In fact, the one definitive study on the subject was called "Who Really Cares", was published in the New York Times (not a conservative publication), and it showed that conservatives give more time and money to charity, than liberals. Here is the study...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/op...21kristof.html

The Catholic Church isn't dedicated to helping the needy? Tell that to your neighbors who have received subsidized medical care at Catholic hospitals, subsidized education at Catholic schools, lodging at Catholic shelters, food at Catholic soup kitchens, etc... Last time I checked, the Catholic Church gave more money to help the poor, than any other organization except the US government.

"the platform of the republican party is the antithesis of his teachings in endless ways."

What the Democrats claim to be the GOP platform, absolutely is the antithesis of Christianity. But what liberals claim the GOP believes, is very different from what the GOP actually believes.

sanctity of life
the dignity and worth of the individual
individual freedom and responsibility
charity for the poor

The true GOP platform on these issues (as opposed to what MSNBC claims the GOP believes on these issues) is much more in line with Christianity, than the liberal platform. One need only look at the issue of abortion...but there are several other issues that make this clear. After the last few mass shootings, liberals are mercilessly attacking anyone who offers prayer for the families.

The GOP is FAR from perfect on these issues, in particular, the GOP (and Christianity) can be rigid on some social issues. But if you ask whether liberalism or conservatism more closely aligns with true Christian principles? Not even close. Not remotely close. The DNC despises true Christian principles.

"Calling oneself Christian does not make one a follower of the teachings of Jesus"

100% true. But actually behaving in a way that is consistent with those principles, does make one a Christian. Those principles are far more welcome on the political right, than on the left.

Only the Sith believe in absolutes Jim.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Only the Sith believe in absolutes Jim.

So you're saying that Jim (and Christians and Muslims) and absolute zero are Siths?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I wonder what type of woman Melania was to even sit w/him for 10 min. on the first date w/o getting up and walking away.

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Same exact kind of woman Hilary is for getting through her first dinner date with Bill when he left the table to have a quickie with the coat-check girl.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Same exact kind of woman Hilary is for getting through her first dinner date with Bill when he left the table to have a quickie with the coat-check girl.

Did he actually do that? Cuz if he did that's horrible. If not it's scummy of you even accuse someone of doing that.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Did he actually do that? Cuz if he did that's horrible. If not it's scummy of you even accuse someone of doing that.
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Not that I know of. But neither do you know what happened during the first 10 minutes of Melania's first conversation.

Melania and Hilary, safe to say, both married for convenience, not love. You go ahead and deny that if it suits you.

Again, it's OK for you to speculate on what happened on the Trump's first date, but "scummy" for me to do the same exact thing with the Clintons.

You're not having a good couple of days here.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Not that I know of. But neither do you know what happened during the first 10 minutes of Melania's first conversation.

Melania and Hilary, safe to say, both married for convenience, not love. You go ahead and deny that if it suits you.

Again, it's OK for you to speculate on what happened on the Trump's first date, but "scummy" for me to do the same exact thing with the Clintons.

You're not having a good couple of days here.

Yes I said I wonder what happened in the first 10 minutes of their date. You said Bill Clinton did something horrible and now you're admitting that you lied and it didn't happen after being called out on it. - too funny.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Yes I said I wonder what happened in the first 10 minutes of their date. You said Bill Clinton did something horrible and now you're admitting that you lied and it didn't happen after being called out on it. - too funny.
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"Yes I said I wonder what happened in the first 10 minutes of their date"

Sorry, that's not even close to what you said. You wondered what kind of woman Melania is, for not getting up and leaving within those first 10 minutes, which necessarily means you are assuming he was a jerk. Not a bad assumption, by the way. Nor is it a bad assumption for me to think Bill was also less than a gentleman.

Quit while you're behind, man.