Pocahontas? So What?

[PaulS]

Love the fetus, care less about the baby. Look at the Repub. budget and tax bill. Both hurt the poor and the most vulnerable amongst us. At least we don't have to hear about "compassionate conservativism" any longer.

The thing that makes me laugh about the whole thing is Pres. Trump is making fun of Warren for lying yet lies more than any other politician in history (probably more than 99.9% of people). His base eats it up though.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Love the fetus, care less about the baby. Look at the Repub. budget and tax bill. Both hurt the poor and the most vulnerable amongst us. At least we don't have to hear about "compassionate conservativism" any longer.

The thing that makes me laugh about the whole thing is Pres. Trump is making fun of Warren for lying yet lies more than any other politician in history (probably more than 99.9% of people). His base eats it up though.

"Love the fetus, care less about the baby"

And your evidence of this, is what, exactly?

"Look at the Repub. budget and tax bill. Both hurt the poor '

Not sure how doubling the standard deduction hurts the poor, most of whom utilize the standard deduction. It may help the rich more...but that's not the same thing as hurting the poor.

"The thing that makes me laugh about the whole thing is Pres. Trump is making fun of Warren for lying yet lies more than any other politician in history (probably more than 99.9% of people). His base eats it up though"

Most of the conservatives here have criticized Trump for his many shortcomings. I'm not to blame for his personal behavior. I am to blame for the public policy he advocates.

Character wasn't on the ballot in 2016. It was a choice of two morally bankrupt reptiles. I won't begin to claim Trump is more ethical than Hilary. I am quite comfortable debating that conservatism (which he advocates for, at least at the moment) is more ethical than liberalism (which she advocates for). I'm holding all the cards in that debate.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Love the fetus, care less about the baby"

And your evidence of this, is what, exactly?The Repub. budget and tax bill which both hurt the poor (as I stated below)

"Look at the Repub. budget and tax bill. Both hurt the poor '

Not sure how doubling the standard deduction hurts the poor, most of whom utilize the standard deduction. It may help the rich more...but that's not the same thing as hurting the poor.Every analysis that I have seen says the tax bills hurt the lower income people (some said below 35K, others up to 125K in yearly income) and benefit the rich. If the end result is that someone making less money pays more in taxes and someone making more money pays less in taxes that shows where the Repub. priorities are.

"The thing that makes me laugh about the whole thing is Pres. Trump is making fun of Warren for lying yet lies more than any other politician in history (probably more than 99.9% of people). His base eats it up though"

Most of the conservatives here have criticized Trump for his many shortcomings. I'm not to blame for his personal behavior. "Your team/side" voted for him when they had many other choices - woman, more conserv, less conserv, minorities

.

Bottom line Repub. policies hurt the poor and benefit the rich.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Bottom line Repub. policies hurt the poor and benefit the rich.

"The Repub. budget and tax bill which both hurt the poor (as I stated below)"

You can state that the earth is flat. Doesn't make it so.

"Every analysis that I have seen says the tax bills hurt the lower income people (some said below 35K, others up to 125K in yearly income) and benefit the rich. "

And SOME of the ones that I have seen, claim it will help the poor and the middle class, and also help the rich.

"If the end result is that someone making less money pays more in taxes and someone making more money pays less in taxes that shows where the Repub. priorities are. "

If that's what happens, I agree with you. I don't know, that's what is going to happen. And neither do you.

Why can't you tell me, how doubling the standard deduction, fails to help the people who utilize that deduction, none of whom are wealthy?

""Your team/side" voted for him when they had many other choices - woman, more conserv, less conserv, minorities"

True. Your team also voted for an ethically bankrupt lizard.

"Bottom line Repub. policies hurt the poor and benefit the rich"

Well with such convincing supporting data, that's a compelling argument.

"Bottom line, 2+2=5".

See what I di dthere.

Sorry Paul, I spent half my life living near New Haven, and the other half working near Hartford. Liberal cities in a liberal state. There is zero evidence that liberalism has helped these people. I have seen firsthand what a generation of pure liberalism has done.

After 40 years of voting for Democrats, the fatherlessness rate among blacks has more than doubled.

Fat lot of good liberalism has done for poor people.

I'm not saying conservatism eliminates poverty either.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Look at the Repub. budget and tax bill. Both hurt the poor and the most vulnerable amongst us.

One says that it hurts and another says it doesn't help them as much. You guys might want to get together and have a little "Team Meeting" so you can get on the same page.

Originally Posted by wdmso

"In 2019, those making less than $25,000 would get an average $50 tax reduction, or +0.3 percent of their after-tax income. Middle-income earners would get average cuts of $850, while people making at least $746,000 would get average cuts of $34,000, or +2.2 percent of income.
The center also said the Senate proposal would generate enough economic growth to produce additional revenue of $169 billion over a decade. That's far short of closing the near $1.5 trillion in red ink that Congress' nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation has estimated the bill would produce over that period."

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

One says that it hurts and another says it doesn't help them as much. You guys might want to get together and have a little "Team Meeting" so you can get on the same page.

when people consider those of one party or the other a "team" or a "side" there should be no wonder why our political climate is so decisive.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

when people consider those of one party or the other a "team" or a "side" there should be no wonder why our political climate is so decisive.

So the divisiveness isn't because liberals believe that conservatives hate everybody. And the divisiveness has nothing to do with the way liberals play the race card. Rather, the divisiveness comes from people who admit that today, there are two distinct political camps, and that most of us fall into one or the other.

Gotcha.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So the divisiveness isn't because liberals believe that conservatives hate everybody.

Who here demonstrates the hate you do? The tenor of this forum changed when you started posting here. Look at the hate you spew in almost all your posts.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Who here demonstrates the hate you do? The tenor of this forum changed when you started posting here. Look at the hate you spew in almost all your posts.

Gee, that's a tough one.

Oh wait, it's easy. You said I don't care about babies, and you and Zimmy are saying I support policies that hurt poor people.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Who here demonstrates the hate you do? The tenor of this forum changed when you started posting here. Look at the hate you spew in almost all your posts.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit that when Jim arrived on the scene he hit it hard, filter removed, and guns a-blazin.....

But he has definitely dialed it way back the past couple of years. I don't see anything remotely hateful in this thread.

You just don't really like the guy's politics is all

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Hey, I'll be the first to admit that when Jim arrived on the scene he hit it hard, filter removed, and guns a-blazin.....

But he has definitely dialed it way back the past couple of years. I don't see anything remotely hateful in this thread.

You just don't really like the guy's politics is all

I don't think he's changed a bit.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

when people consider those of one party or the other a "team" or a "side" there should be no wonder why our political climate is so decisive.

You may want to talk to this guy too then....

Originally Posted by zimmy

Your side is delusional if it thinks there is evidence that it has more empathy for the voiceless and vulnerable.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You may want to talk to this guy too then....

It's OK when liberals do it. It's only problematic when I do it.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You may want to talk to this guy too then....

That was in response to Jim claiming a side. Good work on the selective quote though.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You may want to talk to this guy too then....

That was in response to Jim claiming a side. Good work on the out of context quote though.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by zimmy

That was in response to Jim claiming a side. Good work on the selective quote though.
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Originally Posted by zimmy

That was in response to Jim claiming a side. Good work on the out of context quote though.
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And that was in response to PaulS referring to the fact that considering members of a party a "Team" or "Side" is what's contributing to why our "Political Climate is so Decisive" (pretty sure he meant divisive)"

Good work on your lack of reading comprehension skills though

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

And that was in response to PaulS referring to the fact that considering members of a party a "Team" or "Side" is what's contributing to why our "Political Climate is so Decisive" (pretty sure he meant divisive)"

What I mean and what Samsung Android here's are two different things LOL.

I can live with gyms see it just heard me say gyms instead of jim politics as I used to vote majority Republican. What I respond to is the constant insults. For someone so smart I think it brings him down
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

And that was in response to PaulS referring to the fact that considering members of a party a "Team" or "Side" is what's contributing to why our "Political Climate is so Decisive" (pretty sure he meant divisive)"

Good work on your lack of reading comprehension skills though

Reading comprehension? You told Paul he should "talk to this guy" in reference to me using the word "side". I was quoting "side" from Jim. It isn't a reading comprehension problem on my part. You missed the context of my post. Side was Jim's word. Next time I will put it in quotes and add a footnote for you.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

One says that it hurts and another says it doesn't help them as much. You guys might want to get together and have a little "Team Meeting" so you can get on the same page.

There is a huge difference between a bill that hurts the poor, and a bill that helps the poor, but helps the rich more.

If the feds passed a law that said everyone gets a 10% raise tomorrow, that helps the rich more than it helps the poor. That doesn't mean it hurts the poor.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There is a huge difference between a bill that hurts the poor, and a bill that helps the poor, but helps the rich more.

If the feds passed a law that said everyone gets a 10% raise tomorrow, that helps the rich more than it helps the poor. That doesn't mean it hurts the poor.

Agreed on both statements but the independent analysis say that on average the poor will pay more in taxes than they pay now while the rich will pay less in taxes than they pay now.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Agreed on both statements but the independent analysis say that on average the poor will pay more in taxes than they pay now while the rich will pay less in taxes than they pay now.

not sure what your definition of "poor" is but from what I understand the "poor" in this country are, in general, not paying any income tax and in many cases getting money through the earned income tax credit...

from Marketwatch..I think this was a 2015 analysis

On average, those in the bottom 40% of the income spectrum end up getting money from the government. Meanwhile, the richest 20% of Americans, by far, pay the most in income taxes, forking over nearly 87% of all the income tax collected by Uncle Sam.