Pocahontas? So What?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Look at the Repub. budget and tax bill. Both hurt the poor and the most vulnerable amongst us.

One says that it hurts and another says it doesn't help them as much. You guys might want to get together and have a little "Team Meeting" so you can get on the same page.

Originally Posted by wdmso

"In 2019, those making less than $25,000 would get an average $50 tax reduction, or +0.3 percent of their after-tax income. Middle-income earners would get average cuts of $850, while people making at least $746,000 would get average cuts of $34,000, or +2.2 percent of income.
The center also said the Senate proposal would generate enough economic growth to produce additional revenue of $169 billion over a decade. That's far short of closing the near $1.5 trillion in red ink that Congress' nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation has estimated the bill would produce over that period."

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

One says that it hurts and another says it doesn't help them as much. You guys might want to get together and have a little "Team Meeting" so you can get on the same page.

when people consider those of one party or the other a "team" or a "side" there should be no wonder why our political climate is so decisive.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

when people consider those of one party or the other a "team" or a "side" there should be no wonder why our political climate is so decisive.

So the divisiveness isn't because liberals believe that conservatives hate everybody. And the divisiveness has nothing to do with the way liberals play the race card. Rather, the divisiveness comes from people who admit that today, there are two distinct political camps, and that most of us fall into one or the other.

Gotcha.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So the divisiveness isn't because liberals believe that conservatives hate everybody.

Who here demonstrates the hate you do? The tenor of this forum changed when you started posting here. Look at the hate you spew in almost all your posts.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Who here demonstrates the hate you do? The tenor of this forum changed when you started posting here. Look at the hate you spew in almost all your posts.

Gee, that's a tough one.

Oh wait, it's easy. You said I don't care about babies, and you and Zimmy are saying I support policies that hurt poor people.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Who here demonstrates the hate you do? The tenor of this forum changed when you started posting here. Look at the hate you spew in almost all your posts.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit that when Jim arrived on the scene he hit it hard, filter removed, and guns a-blazin.....

But he has definitely dialed it way back the past couple of years. I don't see anything remotely hateful in this thread.

You just don't really like the guy's politics is all

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Hey, I'll be the first to admit that when Jim arrived on the scene he hit it hard, filter removed, and guns a-blazin.....

But he has definitely dialed it way back the past couple of years. I don't see anything remotely hateful in this thread.

You just don't really like the guy's politics is all

I don't think he's changed a bit.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think he's changed a bit.

I give him credit where due, he doesn't immediately take a hard right turn to steer every topic to abortion like he did at first. So he's got that going for him... 😁😁😁😁😁
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

when people consider those of one party or the other a "team" or a "side" there should be no wonder why our political climate is so decisive.

You may want to talk to this guy too then....

Originally Posted by zimmy

Your side is delusional if it thinks there is evidence that it has more empathy for the voiceless and vulnerable.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You may want to talk to this guy too then....

It's OK when liberals do it. It's only problematic when I do it.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You may want to talk to this guy too then....

That was in response to Jim claiming a side. Good work on the selective quote though.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You may want to talk to this guy too then....

That was in response to Jim claiming a side. Good work on the out of context quote though.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by zimmy

That was in response to Jim claiming a side. Good work on the selective quote though.
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Originally Posted by zimmy

That was in response to Jim claiming a side. Good work on the out of context quote though.
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And that was in response to PaulS referring to the fact that considering members of a party a "Team" or "Side" is what's contributing to why our "Political Climate is so Decisive" (pretty sure he meant divisive)"

Good work on your lack of reading comprehension skills though

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

And that was in response to PaulS referring to the fact that considering members of a party a "Team" or "Side" is what's contributing to why our "Political Climate is so Decisive" (pretty sure he meant divisive)"

What I mean and what Samsung Android here's are two different things LOL.

I can live with gyms see it just heard me say gyms instead of jim politics as I used to vote majority Republican. What I respond to is the constant insults. For someone so smart I think it brings him down
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

What I mean and what Samsung Android here's are two different things LOL.

I can live with gyms see it just heard me say gyms instead of jim politics as I used to vote majority Republican. What I respond to is the constant insults. For someone so smart I think it brings him down
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You said I care less about babies. I guess it's OK when you lob insults, no one else is supposed to stoop to that. Do I have that right?

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

And that was in response to PaulS referring to the fact that considering members of a party a "Team" or "Side" is what's contributing to why our "Political Climate is so Decisive" (pretty sure he meant divisive)"

Good work on your lack of reading comprehension skills though

Reading comprehension? You told Paul he should "talk to this guy" in reference to me using the word "side". I was quoting "side" from Jim. It isn't a reading comprehension problem on my part. You missed the context of my post. Side was Jim's word. Next time I will put it in quotes and add a footnote for you.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

One says that it hurts and another says it doesn't help them as much. You guys might want to get together and have a little "Team Meeting" so you can get on the same page.

There is a huge difference between a bill that hurts the poor, and a bill that helps the poor, but helps the rich more.

If the feds passed a law that said everyone gets a 10% raise tomorrow, that helps the rich more than it helps the poor. That doesn't mean it hurts the poor.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

There is a huge difference between a bill that hurts the poor, and a bill that helps the poor, but helps the rich more.

If the feds passed a law that said everyone gets a 10% raise tomorrow, that helps the rich more than it helps the poor. That doesn't mean it hurts the poor.

Agreed on both statements but the independent analysis say that on average the poor will pay more in taxes than they pay now while the rich will pay less in taxes than they pay now.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Agreed on both statements but the independent analysis say that on average the poor will pay more in taxes than they pay now while the rich will pay less in taxes than they pay now.

not sure what your definition of "poor" is but from what I understand the "poor" in this country are, in general, not paying any income tax and in many cases getting money through the earned income tax credit...

from Marketwatch..I think this was a 2015 analysis

On average, those in the bottom 40% of the income spectrum end up getting money from the government. Meanwhile, the richest 20% of Americans, by far, pay the most in income taxes, forking over nearly 87% of all the income tax collected by Uncle Sam.