Biden has a great plan for WV coal miners

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Bryan, Biden said that anyone who can shovel
coal into a furnace, can write code. I’m going by what he said.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Didn't he say they could learn to? Not they could put the shovel down and start coding instantly.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Didn't he say they could learn to? Not they could put the shovel down and start coding instantly.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

i don’t think he meant they could
do it today. I’m not claiming that. But not everyone can be trained to write code. Not everyone has the aptitude, are you saying you disagree with that? Really?

Why didn’t he say, everyone who can shovel coal into a furnace, can be a doctor? Why writing code?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i don’t think he meant they could
do it today. I’m not claiming that. But not everyone can be trained to write code. Not everyone has the aptitude, are you saying you disagree with that? Really?

Why didn’t he say, everyone who can shovel coal into a furnace, can be a doctor? Why writing code?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Two reasons I can think of.
1. There are existing models and programs where that exact transition has happened in that region.

2. Your average 37 year old miner out of work is not going back to undergrad pre med, then med school, then residency etc. to be a doctor. They probably can take on an associates or some equivalent training to get involved in a computer based industry, alternative energy etc.. This is a far saner approach for that region than 'We're going to bring back Coal'

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Two reasons I can think of.
1. There are existing models and programs where that exact transition has happened in that region.

2. Your average 37 year old miner out of work is not going back to undergrad pre med, then med school, then residency etc. to be a doctor. They probably can take on an associates or some equivalent training to get involved in a computer based industry, alternative energy etc.. This is a far saner approach for that region than 'We're going to bring back Coal'

Bryan, if you have evidence that "anyone who can shovel coal" can be taught to write code, what is it? I am stunned you're saying this. One profession is unskilled physical labor, one is purely intellectual, technical problem solving. Couldn't be more different. If every coal miner can learn to write code, who probably can't learn to write code? Anyone? If you were a high school guidance counselor, is there any kind of kid, and kind at all, to whom you would not suggest a career as a computer programmer?

If they could all write code, why aren't they doing that? Better money, much safer, better longevity, more stable. Coal mining seems to me, to be what people do, who have zero other options.





I don't see it as anything close to sane.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Bryan, if you have evidence that "anyone who can shovel coal" can be taught to write code, what is it? I am stunned you're saying this. One profession is unskilled physical labor, one is purely intellectual, technical problem solving. Couldn't be more different. If every coal miner can learn to write code, who probably can't learn to write code? Anyone? If you were a high school guidance counselor, is there any kind of kid, and kind at all, to whom you would not suggest a career as a computer programmer?

If they could all write code, why aren't they doing that? Better money, much safer, better longevity, more stable. Coal mining seems to me, to be what people do, who have zero other options.





I don't see it as anything close to sane.

Is it hyperbolic to say every single one can be trained, of course it is.

Part of this story is that the opportunities have to be made available to them. The existing programs have shown, that if you bring the training to them, opportunities can be found to advance in a career. Is it a panacea for everyone? of course not. It will take a combination of hard work and opportunities. While I disagree with UBI, part of Andrew Yang's message of lost industries like truck driving, mining etc are something we as a society should be thinking about. With every shuttering mine more and more people in that region will need opportunities. I would prefer this approach than welfare...

What should we do, in your opinion, if anything, in these areas. The market has spoken, we are transitioning away from coal for the foreseeable energy future.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Is it hyperbolic to say every single one can be trained, of course it is.

Part of this story is that the opportunities have to be made available to them. The existing programs have shown, that if you bring the training to them, opportunities can be found to advance in a career. Is it a panacea for everyone? of course not. It will take a combination of hard work and opportunities. While I disagree with UBI, part of Andrew Yang's message of lost industries like truck driving, mining etc are something we as a society should be thinking about. With every shuttering mine more and more people in that region will need opportunities. I would prefer this approach than welfare...

What should we do, in your opinion, if anything, in these areas. The market has spoken, we are transitioning away from coal for the foreseeable energy future.

I don't know what to do there, never claimed to. Money to improve education and training is a start. I made the thread in response to Biden's explicit statement that "computer programming" is the answer there. It's not, and only an idiot would say it is, and Biden qualifies.

Working is better than welfare, no question. But Bidens statement here, to me, sounded as disgusting as his promise (and he did promise, very clearly) that if he wins in 2020, there will be a cure for cancer. You have to have something really wrong with you, to say that. And that's what he said. He can deliver the cure, but only if we elect him president.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Bryan, if you have evidence that "anyone who can shovel coal" can be taught to write code, what is it? I am stunned you're saying this. One profession is unskilled physical labor, one is purely intellectual, technical problem solving. Couldn't be more different. If every coal miner can learn to write code, who probably can't learn to write code? Anyone? If you were a high school guidance counselor, is there any kind of kid, and kind at all, to whom you would not suggest a career as a computer programmer?

If they could all write code, why aren't they doing that? Better money, much safer, better longevity, more stable. Coal mining seems to me, to be what people do, who have zero other options.





I don't see it as anything close to sane.

Insanity is thinking coal mining is still done by hand with shovels and thinking that anyone who is a coal miner is so stupid that there are zero other options. Talk about coastal elitists.........denigrating the deplorable.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Insanity is thinking coal mining is still done by hand with shovels and thinking that anyone who is a coal miner is so stupid that there are zero other options. Talk about coastal elitists.........denigrating the deplorable.

"Insanity is thinking coal mining is still done by hand with shovels "

That necessarily means you think Biden is insane, because HE used the term shovel.

"thinking that anyone who is a coal miner is so stupid that there are zero other options"

I don't think people go into that field who have a lot of other good alternatives. It's a lifestyle people don't want their children to follow them into. Why do something that risky, for such modest pay, if you could do a white collar job? I don't think many people love it the way people love, say, fishing.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Bryan, if you have evidence that "anyone who can shovel coal" can be taught to write code, what is it? I am stunned you're saying this. One profession is unskilled physical labor, one is purely intellectual, technical problem solving. Couldn't be more different. If every coal miner can learn to write code, who probably can't learn to write code? Anyone? If you were a high school guidance counselor, is there any kind of kid, and kind at all, to whom you would not suggest a career as a computer programmer?

If they could all write code, why aren't they doing that? Better money, much safer, better longevity, more stable. Coal mining seems to me, to be what people do, who have zero other options.





I don't see it as anything close to sane.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Insanity is thinking coal mining is still done by hand with shovels and thinking that anyone who is a coal miner is so stupid that there are zero other options. Talk about coastal elitists.........denigrating the deplorable.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Insanity is thinking coal mining is still done by hand with shovels "

That necessarily means you think Biden is insane, because HE used the term shovel.

"thinking that anyone who is a coal miner is so stupid that there are zero other options"

I don't think people go into that field who have a lot of other good alternatives. It's a lifestyle people don't want their children to follow them into. Why do something that risky, for such modest pay, if you could do a white collar job? I don't think many people love it the way people love, say, fishing.

Your words commenting on others.

I assume you could run or maintain the required equipment to mine coal? I assume you to be a well educated white collar worker? And all that mining stuff is something any idiot could do?

Here is some, think you have the skill to do that? http://www.coaleducation.org/technol..._equipment.htm

Lot's of people on this site who have chosen to work with their minds and hands rather than driving a desk and would not trade you for your space in a cubicle working with or maybe being Bill Lumbergh.

Keep in mind that working in the coal industry in coal country is sort of like working in insurance in Connecticut.