Schiff lost his marbles

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

That the rest of the evidence will show how mealy-mouthed that claim is, is the danger for the Trumplican party.

"will show"--speculation. It may "well show" to be the opposite. That remains to be shown one way or the other. I realize that this is just your opinion. But I do realize it is your opinion, not, at this time, a fact.

A couple of days ago it was that there was no quid prop quo.

There is still no qpq. The money was given. Zelensky says there was no pressure. Nor did he perform a quo.

Now Floridaman's Alan Dershowitz says "If a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment."

That assertion amounts to that even if all of the allegations are true — that Floridaman was, in fact, seeking election advantage when he demanded that Ukraine investigate his political opponents — it would still be appropriate.

He said IF it happened, not that it did. Dershowitz said there were three possible motives for a quid pro quo in foreign policy: the public interest; personal political interest; and personal financial interest.

In the end, he argued, only the latter instance is corrupt.

"Every public official I know believes" their election "is in the public interest," Dershowitz added.

No one has charged, nor given evidence that Trump delayed funds because of a financial interest.

This corresponds to what Jim and I have been saying before Dershowitz said so. Our version is that everything a politician does will affect an election. So it's a ridiculous notion on which to create and impeachment, or to charge an abuse of power. Otherwise, everything a politician does would be an abuse of power.

Now I'm not saying that it is not normal for presidents to make foreign policy decisions with politics in mind, but what Trump did far exceeded that. He used his power to highjack a national security issue for the purpose of benefiting personally, while clearly harming U.S. interests.

Yeah, but you're speculating--that there was a hijacking rather than a legitimate delay and that it was for some avoidable and nefarious personal benefit.

And there is this unavoidable fact: the money was not hijacked, it was delivered. And Zelensky said their was no pressure. And there was no quo.