Schiff lost his marbles

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

But did they "discover" that the freeze was specified for interference with the next election?

The delay was not illegal. It is documented that Trump had for some time been concerned about corruption continuing in Ukraine. A new President had just been elected in Ukraine. Getting assurances from him that he would do what he ran on, get rid of corruption, was a valid reason, given that it was the President's duty to ensure that the money was to be spent as Congress directed and not spent on continuing corruption before the money was given.

BTW, the money was delivered on time. And Zelensky said there was no pressure.

How long before the talking points wear out? Do you have a suit? Fly to DC and join the party.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

How long before the talking points wear out? Do you have a suit? Fly to DC and join the party.

I don't know how long the talking point about influencing an election will last. But it sounds so convincing that it will probably keep resurfacing even if it temporarily takes a rest.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I don't know how long the talking point about influencing an election will last. But it sounds so convincing that it will probably keep resurfacing even if it temporarily takes a rest.

At least we can agree Trump is desperately trying to influence an election.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

At least we can agree Trump is desperately trying to influence an election.

I have stated very clearly, several times, that Trump has no power to keep anything he says or does from influencing an election. No politician does. It is inevitably in the nature of political action or speech that its consequence will influence an election. There is no desperation required for that to happen. It is a basic consequence, intended or not, that it will do so.

So claiming an illicit abuse of power because of a politician's speech or action is ridiculous. It is not an abuse of power. It is a use and projection of power. Otherwise, all politicians are "abusing power" every time they say or do anything political in carrying out there prescribed duties. I agree with Dershowitz that it can only be an illicit abuse if it is done specifically and solely for personal financial gain.

I agree with that view. I doubt if you do. But if you do, then we agree.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

At least we can agree Trump is desperately trying to influence an election.
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ummmm...have you see the democrap line up????? I don't think any influence is necessary

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

ummmm...have you see the democrap line up????? I don't think any influence is necessary

come in, there’s more impressive talent there than the Yankees had in Murderers Row!
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

At least we can agree Trump is desperately trying to influence an election.
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Breathe in
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Breathe out
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