Herd immunity is not a strategy, it is a biological fact

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I think you are going too fast for yourself

Biden dealt with Covita's hysterical xenophobic response during the Ebola pandemic. It's all in the public record including Covita's tweets.
Nobody said a travel ban was an overreaction, just that it alone was not the correct response and apparently you agree.
It had as much effect as designating one part of the pool as the urination area.
If you want to see a detailed pandemic plan I linked it several posts ago, Covita literally threw his in the garbage.

"Biden dealt with Covita's hysterical xenophobic response during the Ebola pandemic. It's all in the public record including Covita's tweets."

Thw day Trump announced his travel restrictions, Biden said Trump was hysterical and xenophobic. Also public record. Right?

"Nobody said a travel ban was an overreaction"

Biden said it was "hysterical".

In mid-January, the WHO said there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission.

Nancy Pelosi on Feb 24: "but we do want to say to people ‘Come to Chinatown, here we are — we're, again, careful, safe — and come join us.'”

Bill Diblasio in March 2: ""Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus"

Anderson Cooper on March 2: "The flu right now is far deadlier," Cooper says. "So if you’re freaked out at all about the coronavirus you should be more concerned about the flu"

Mar.9 - Bernie Sanders tells Foxnews he would not close our borders in response to the virus

Dr Fauci on Jan 26: "The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It's a very, very low risk to the United States," Fauci says on The CATS Roundtable. "It isn't something that the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about."

Feb. 11 - Ron Klein, Biden campaign top coronovirus advisor: "coronavirus won't be a "serious pandemic."

Feb. 13 - Ron Klein, Biden campaign top coronovirus advisor: "We don’t have a #COVIDー19 epidemic in the US but we are starting to see a fear epidemic. Kudos to @NYCMayor (and others) for standing against that."

Nah, no one was downplaying it in the winter. Nope! Only Trump somehow got it wrong. All the democrats knew exactly what was coming. Right, Pete?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fro...vent-aged-well

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Biden dealt with Covita's hysterical xenophobic response during the Ebola pandemic. It's all in the public record including Covita's tweets."

Thw day Trump announced his travel restrictions, Biden said Trump was hysterical and xenophobic. Also public record. Right?

"Nobody said a travel ban was an overreaction"

Biden said it was "hysterical".

In mid-January, the WHO said there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission.

Nancy Pelosi on Feb 24: "but we do want to say to people ‘Come to Chinatown, here we are — we're, again, careful, safe — and come join us.'”

Bill Diblasio in March 2: ""Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus"

Anderson Cooper on March 2: "The flu right now is far deadlier," Cooper says. "So if you’re freaked out at all about the coronavirus you should be more concerned about the flu"

Mar.9 - Bernie Sanders tells Foxnews he would not close our borders in response to the virus

Dr Fauci on Jan 26: "The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It's a very, very low risk to the United States," Fauci says on The CATS Roundtable. "It isn't something that the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about."

Feb. 11 - Ron Klein, Biden campaign top coronovirus advisor: "coronavirus won't be a "serious pandemic."

Feb. 13 - Ron Klein, Biden campaign top coronovirus advisor: "We don’t have a #COVIDー19 epidemic in the US but we are starting to see a fear epidemic. Kudos to @NYCMayor (and others) for standing against that."

Nah, no one was downplaying it in the winter. Nope! Only Trump somehow got it wrong. All the democrats knew exactly what was coming. Right, Pete?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fro...vent-aged-well

Simple answer. Trump was right on the partial travel ban, maybe it should have gone further

The liberals listed were wrong at the times you quoted.

This was in the first months of this #^&#^&#^&#^&. We know from Woodward's recording Trump knew early, this had the potential to be bad. How much did the mayors and governors know in Feb/early March? I don't know. We know Trump knew it could be bad.

The difference is, the others (non-Trump) have adjusted course as we learned more about this thing. Trump has basically not. We are at all time daily highs on an upwards sloped and we have 'turned the corner'? (I don't love the SNL debate-stuff right now but Alec Baldwin as Trump had a good line about how this isn't a second wave because it never went back down). He is also out there making fun of mask and mask wearers. Yes there is still reasonable debate on that Jim, but the majority/plurality/consensus is that it seems to help limit spread.

USA Today even had an analysis that following Trump campaign rally's/events brought, cases have increased higher in those counties than elsewhere.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Simple answer. Trump was right on the partial travel ban, maybe it should have gone further

The liberals listed were wrong at the times you quoted.

This was in the first months of this #^&#^&#^&#^&. We know from Woodward's recording Trump knew early, this had the potential to be bad. How much did the mayors and governors know in Feb/early March? I don't know. We know Trump knew it could be bad.

The difference is, the others (non-Trump) have adjusted course as we learned more about this thing. Trump has basically not. We are at all time daily highs on an upwards sloped and we have 'turned the corner'? (I don't love the SNL debate-stuff right now but Alec Baldwin as Trump had a good line about how this isn't a second wave because it never went back down). He is also out there making fun of mask and mask wearers. Yes there is still reasonable debate on that Jim, but the majority/plurality/consensus is that it seems to help limit spread.

USA Today even had an analysis that following Trump campaign rally's/events brought, cases have increased higher in those counties than elsewhere.

"The liberals listed were wrong at the times you quoted.
"

Literally, the only democrat here who can bring himself to say that. I respect that.

"We know Trump knew it could be bad. "

What should he have done in March, which he has the authority to do?

"the others (non-Trump) have adjusted course as we learned more about this thing."

Is Trump not now suggesting social distancing, masks, etc? Did he not get hospital ships and ventilators in CA and NY? Did the feds convert the Javits center in NY to a hospital?

"there is still reasonable debate on that (masks) Jim, but the majority/plurality/consensus is that it seems to help limit spread. "

Again, I agree 100% with your statement, and I also lean in favor of the guys who say masks help, and I wear one every time I go out. Again, you're the only liberal who can concede that there are studies questioning the value of masks. I don't buy into those studies, but I admit they exist. Only you can agree they exist.

I absolutely don't give Trump a good grade on his handling of the virus, and I never said I did. But I don't see specific policies that most people suggested, which he ignored, except for masks I guess, which I think he was reckless on. But isn't he now sayong to wear masks?

Bryan, in January, I thought we needed major lockdowns. I was terrified that seniors all over the country would die for lack of ventilators, that hospitals would be overwhelmed. None of that happened.

200k is a staggering, appalling number. If a consensus of experts was begging Trump in January to do something he didn't do, I'd agree much of this is on him. I don't see evidence that's the case. Maybe he was too casual in his words, but I don't take those cues from him or any president. Mt family (we are in CT) locked down in the spring, only went out when necessary, wore masks, stayed 10 feet away, sanitized our hands 25 times a day. Trump didn't tell me not to do those things.

Gov Cuomo ordered nursing homes (nursing homes of all places!) to admit covid-19 residents, when most nursing homes aren't anything close to a hospital. How many died as a direct result of that? And none of that is on Trump. And everyone on the left gives Cuomo a pass.

As I have said so many times, thanks for being the voice of reason and honesty on the left. Have a good afternoon, and stay safe.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Biden dealt with Covita's hysterical xenophobic response during the Ebola pandemic. It's all in the public record including Covita's tweets."

Thw day Trump announced his travel restrictions, Biden said Trump was hysterical and xenophobic. Also public record. Right?

Here is what Biden said "We have, right now, a crisis with the coronavirus. This is no time for Donald Trump's record of hysteria and xenophobia - hysterical xenophobia - and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science."

"Nobody said a travel ban was an overreaction"

Biden said it was "hysterical".

See above

In mid-January, the WHO said there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission.

President Trump’s head popped up during his top-secret intelligence briefing in the Oval Office on Jan. 28 when the discussion turned to the coronavirus outbreak in China.

“This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency,” national security adviser Robert C. O’Brien told Trump, “This is going to be the roughest thing you face.”

Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security adviser, agreed. He told the president that after reaching contacts in China, it was evident that the world faced a health emergency on par with the flu pandemic of 1918, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide.

Ten days later, Trump called Woodward and revealed that he thought the situation was far more dire than what he had been saying publicly.

“You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed,” Trump said in a Feb. 7 call. “And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”
“This is deadly stuff,” the president repeated for emphasis.

In a Feb. 7 interview, when asked what Chinese President Xi Jinping
told him about the virus, Trump says, “This is deadly stuff.”

At that time, Trump was telling the nation that the virus was no worse than a seasonal flu, predicting it would soon disappear and insisting that the U.S. government had it totally under control. It would be several weeks before he would publicly acknowledge that the virus was no ordinary flu and that it could be transmitted through the air.

When on Feb. 7th Covita told Bob Woodward how dangerous it was, maybe if he had said that to others things would have been different.

It was not until March 11th that he spoke "My fellow Americans: Tonight, I want to speak with you about our nation's unprecedented response to the coronavirus outbreak that started in China and is now spreading throughout the world."

Nancy Pelosi on Feb 24: "but we do want to say to people ‘Come to Chinatown, here we are — we're, again, careful, safe — and come join us.'”

Bill Diblasio in March 2: ""Since I’m encouraging New Yorkers to go on with your lives + get out on the town despite Coronavirus"

Anderson Cooper on March 2: "The flu right now is far deadlier," Cooper says. "So if you’re freaked out at all about the coronavirus you should be more concerned about the flu"

Mar.9 - Bernie Sanders tells Foxnews he would not close our borders in response to the virus

Dr Fauci on Jan 26: "The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It's a very, very low risk to the United States," Fauci says on The CATS Roundtable. "It isn't something that the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about."

Feb. 11 - Ron Klein, Biden campaign top coronovirus advisor: "coronavirus won't be a "serious pandemic."

Feb. 13 - Ron Klein, Biden campaign top coronovirus advisor: "We don’t have a #COVIDー19 epidemic in the US but we are starting to see a fear epidemic. Kudos to @NYCMayor (and others) for standing against that."

Oddly enough while those people with the exception of Fauci in January, were saying things, Covita was keeping it on the down low..........

Nah, no one was downplaying it in the winter. Nope! Only Trump somehow got it wrong. All the democrats knew exactly what was coming. Right, Pete?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fro...vent-aged-well

Keep dreaming in that little Fox echo chamber, remember, it's a hoax and November 4th it will be gone like a miracle.
More and more comes out about the administration's efforts to keep the virus under wraps and failure to act.