Gulf of Maine warming

[hq2]

Dunno, guys. May not be many stripers around in the summer much longer;
all be up near Nova Scotia. Time to fish for king and spanish mackerel!

https://wgme.com/news/local/fast-war...record-in-2021

[wdmso]

The temperature at Concordia Research station atop Dome C on the Antarctic Plateau -- typically known as the coldest place on Earth -- surged to an astounding 11.3 degrees Fahrenheit (minus-11.5 Celsius) on March 18.
The normal high temperature for the day is around minus-56 Fahrenheit (minus-49 Celsius), which puts the March 18 reading at close to 70 degrees Fahrenheit (around 38 Celsius) warmer than normal.

Nothing to see for some ...

[Got Stripers]

It’s going to be a tough road for our young if the trend continues, time to go rent water world and get me a fast cat.

[JohnR]

I am happy that all of those screaming climate change from the rafters are insisting that people making minimum wage should just buy a 50K electric car powered by wind or solar.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I am happy that all of those screaming climate change from the rafters are insisting that people making minimum wage should just buy a 50K electric car powered by wind or solar.

I see that said a lot but that sounds pretty disingenuous. Guessing it is a right wing talking point coming from faux news. People could drive a corolla for 15k and double their fuel economy and have a pretty large net impact as a whole. No sympathy for people getting 20 mpg in their daily drivers when it comes to gas prices. Plenty of inexpensive new or pre-owned efficient cars. Also, a fully electric mid sized kia is about 12k below the average price of a car last year, after incentives; 5k below average without.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I see that said a lot but that sounds pretty disingenuous. Guessing it is a right wing talking point coming from faux news. People could drive a corolla for 15k and double their fuel economy and have a pretty large net impact as a whole. No sympathy for people getting 20 mpg in their daily drivers when it comes to gas prices. Plenty of inexpensive new or pre-owned efficient cars. Also, a fully electric mid sized kia is about 12k below the average price of a car last year, after incentives; 5k below average without.
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it’s not a right wing talking point that our secretary of transportation, recently suggested that if people are struggling to pay $4.50 for a gallon of gas, the answer is to buy a tremendously expensive electric car. or to take the bus.

lots of people have honda and toyota sedans and they’re paying the same % increase at the pump.

biden didn’t cause all the hike in gas, much is due to a post covid surge in demand, and that was going to happen regardless of who was potus at the time. but his administration likely made it worse, and their reaction has been very elitist and tone deaf. hence the polling.

just looked at kias website, cheapest electric i see is $39,999. then there are $7500 tax incentives? i actually like the look of that car a lot. but there no way there’s nearly enough of them. there’s not enough electric cars, they’re too expensive, their range makes them
impractical for many, there aren’t nearly enough charging stations, and if there were enough, there’s not enough nearly enough electricity.

and i have a nissan leaf that i love, with a home charging system
that’s great . whenever i’m driving myself, i drive that. but we also have a minivan and an f-150 because we have to have them. three big teenage boys, all their crap, a big camper, and a big goofy golden retriever.
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[hq2]

Well obviously, the price needs to come down; but it’s been dropping lately. And as for solar, just put it in last year. A great deal! Got 5k in tax writeoffs on a 15k purchase; will also get great resale value on our house too, more than the original purchase price.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by hq2

Well obviously, the price needs to come down; but it’s been dropping lately. And as for solar, just put it in last year. A great deal! Got 5k in tax writeoffs on a 15k purchase; will also get great resale value on our house too, more than the original purchase price.
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If I stay in current house, I will get solar, if I get a new house, I will get solar. But the price coming down, and more adoption of solar, does not solve our energy needs. You cannot draw a line between where we are to what the "experts" say we'll need.

If the WeGottaGoGreenOrWeDie crowd was serious, they would have been prioritizing GenIII/GenIV Nuclear.

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by JohnR

If the WeGottaGoGreenOrWeDie crowd was serious, they would have been prioritizing GenIII/GenIV Nuclear.

This.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

If I stay in current house, I will get solar, if I get a new house, I will get solar. But the price coming down, and more adoption of solar, does not solve our energy needs. You cannot draw a line between where we are to what the "experts" say we'll need.

If the WeGottaGoGreenOrWeDie crowd was serious, they would have been prioritizing GenIII/GenIV Nuclear.

EXACTLY. Exactly, exactly, exactly.

If you get solar panels, make sure that (1) either they lie close enough to your roof that birds can't get in there, or (2) that you have mesh fencing around them to keep birds out. You'll never hear a solar panel salesmen say this, but panels are bird magnets. We had a bird infestation of biblical proportions under our panels. These birds were way past merely building nests, they were putting in roads and schools and electing a planning & zoning committee, under my panels until we had them cleaned out. I thought they were going to take my house by eminent domain. It was disgusting. It was funny, but also very disgusting.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

If I stay in current house, I will get solar, if I get a new house, I will get solar. But the price coming down, and more adoption of solar, does not solve our energy needs. You cannot draw a line between where we are to what the "experts" say we'll need.

If the WeGottaGoGreenOrWeDie crowd was serious, they would have been prioritizing GenIII/GenIV Nuclear.

They have had to fight against corporate interests and their cronies on the right every step of the way for the last forty years. That is a huge part of where we are today.
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[piemma]

There are many benefits to living in the little hamlet of Pascoag.

One of the best is our little non=profit electric company. We pay .03 a KwH. National Greed charges .10 a KwH.

Thus, my bill all winter has been $70 to $80. Even with central air running all summer we are about $140 to $150.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by piemma

There are many benefits to living in the little hamlet of Pascoag.

One of the best is our little non=profit electric company. We pay .03 a KwH. National Greed charges .10 a KwH.

Thus, my bill all winter has been $70 to $80. Even with central air running all summer we are about $140 to $150.

here in the hartford suburbs, most of us are forced to use eversourve. couple of summers ago, they instituted “delivery charges” on the electric bills, my delivery charges are larger than the cost of the electricity i buy.

before i put panels in, ( we have central air and an in ground pool
with electric heat pump), i had an august electric bull in 2016 that was $565. that was more than the mortgage on the first condo we owned.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

They have had to fight against corporate interests and their cronies on the right every step of the way for the last forty years. That is a huge part of where we are today.
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oh give me a break, anyone who finds a way to make renewable
energy work, will be the worlds first trilliionaire. all the incentive in the world is there. Turns out, it’s just not an easy thing to pull off. there’s very smart people dedicated to this.

from the 1933 to 1994, the gop controlled congress for a whopping 4 years. 4 years out of 60. so how is this all the GOP’s fault, exactly?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by hq2

Well obviously, the price needs to come down; but it’s been dropping lately. And as for solar, just put it in last year. A great deal! Got 5k in tax writeoffs on a 15k purchase; will also get great resale value on our house too, more than the original purchase price.
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I also have solar panels on my house. I like them, and I'd do it again if I had to. But I'm not certain it always increases home value in all cases.

It's not just the price of electric cars that needs to come WAY down, though it obviously does. The range needs to increase, we need way more charging stations, and last but not least, we need a way to generate the electricity to power all those charging stations. Wind and solar aren't even worth mentioning, they're nowhere near sufficient. Nuclear would do it, but we aren't supposed to talk about that. Are we supposed to rub balloons on our heads all day long?

I have a friend who has been a commercial lobsterman in P-Town for many years. After two years of dismal catches, he's left the industry, he can't make a living in Cape Cod Bay. The line below which water is too warm for lobsters, is moving north, rapidly. The water is obviously warming, and it's having bad effects.

[beamie]

I read some of this on another site

All these actions some people do for the environment is like peeing yourself with dark pants on. It makes you feel nice and warm but nobody notices.

That kind of sums it up.

The world is millions or billions of years old. How many ice ages and warm ups has it been thru. Nothing nothing man does will stop that from happening again.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by beamie

I read some of this on another site

All these actions some people do for the environment is like peeing yourself with dark pants on. It makes you feel nice and warm but nobody notices.

That kind of sums it up.

The world is millions or billions of years old. How many ice ages and warm ups has it been thru. Nothing nothing man does will stop that from happening again.
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https://youtu.be/7W33HRc1A6c
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

https://youtu.be/7W33HRc1A6c
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Funny stuff, unfortunately as realistic as that probably is, there is potentially a lot of hurt between now and the point man has f*cked himself to the point of extinction.

[beamie]

When I was a kid in the late 70’s early 80’s in Quincy my parents put solar hot water panels in the roof. Lots of money incentives made the price low.

That worked very well. 80 gal tank in the basement. Even worked in the winter. No hazmat spent photo panels at end of life.

Saved us some oil for sure.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by beamie

When I was a kid in the late 70’s early 80’s in Quincy my parents put solar hot water panels in the roof. Lots of money incentives made the price low.

That worked very well. 80 gal tank in the basement. Even worked in the winter. No hazmat spent photo panels at end of life.

Saved us some oil for sure.
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We put 18k out of pocket for a 11.1kw solar system. Based on the life of the system, we should have about 18 years of free electricity after that. Not everyone can do the straight purchase, but there are reasonable ways to finance. The hazmat spent panels will happen someday though.

[beamie]

Originally Posted by zimmy

We put 18k out of pocket for a 11.1kw solar system. Based on the life of the system, we should have about 18 years of free electricity after that. Not everyone can do the straight purchase, but there are reasonable ways to finance. The hazmat spent panels will happen someday though.

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I think the fact that you did this is great.

But I am more a realist.
18k / 18 years. A grand a year this costs you. What is you normal juice bill 150 a month. 1800 a year? So you save 800/ yr.

That’s not a head turner.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by beamie

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I think the fact that you did this is great.

But I am more a realist.
18k / 18 years. A grand a year this costs you. What is you normal juice bill 150 a month. 1800 a year? So you save 800/ yr.

That’s not a head turner.
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Our bill was 190-220 a month. Also, you have to add in the difference from inflation and other ways the electric company will stick it to people for those 18 years. Plus that money can be on the market or other investments. Not chump change in any way. Your math wasn't exactly right. Break even in 7 years. They last 25 years. At saving $200 a month after break even is $2400 a year or about about 43K saved in energy bills over 18 years. Reality is probably closer to 60k with inflation.
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[beamie]

Thanks for that. Perfect
Not even a comedy act. Just factual history. Carlin was awesome
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[beamie]

So you guys will like this story

One of my sisters and husband whom are both wicked smaht and have made a good name and living for themselves are installing geothermal heating cooling on their property

I think this is really neat and I have always thought of this

So I ask how much is this costing like 30k. Ahhhhhh. No 150k
OMG so you just have that burning a hole in your pocket and feel good about doing your part saving the earth.

I have not gave her the earful yet but will. Oh did I mention she has a Prius. Ya. This kills me.

I am an engineer. So I think this is neat but think about this. So it comes out of the earth at something like 57deg. So you don’t need to use electricity to run an air con compressor in the summer. But you need electricity to run the geo pumps. Not sure the amp diffference but you saving what in the end.

Hence back to the peeing in dark pants comment.

Oh boy.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by beamie

So you guys will like this story

One of my sisters and husband whom are both wicked smaht and have made a good name and living for themselves are installing geothermal heating cooling on their property

I think this is really neat and I have always thought of this

So I ask how much is this costing like 30k. Ahhhhhh. No 150k
OMG so you just have that burning a hole in your pocket and feel good about doing your part saving the earth.

I have not gave her the earful yet but will. Oh did I mention she has a Prius. Ya. This kills me.

I am an engineer. So I think this is neat but think about this. So it comes out of the earth at something like 57deg. So you don’t need to use electricity to run an air con compressor in the summer. But you need electricity to run the geo pumps. Not sure the amp diffference but you saving what in the end.

Hence back to the peeing in dark pants comment.

Oh boy.
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You buy a boat, she buys geothermal. To each their own. However, you are right, she is never making it back and retrofit is not the way to do geothermal.

[JFigliuolo]

You two... off to the political forum!
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by zimmy

You keep ignoring the point, but I guess no one really is insisting people on minimum wage but a 50K electric car. If it isn't a right wing talking point, I don't know where you got it. They do keep spewing that nonsense.

The Biden gas price thing is also right wing b.s. Prior to Ukraine, we were producing domestic oil at levels in the range of or higher at times than 2016 to 2020. Opec cut production during the pandemic and never raised it once demand increased. Increased global demand coupled with limited global supply caused the squeeze. It is a lie or just ignorance to pin it on Biden and the pundits and nutters in office know it, but it helps them get elected.

Oh yeah, and nuclear is so expensive. Big part of why we don't build new plants to go along with people in power are put there by coal and oil industries.

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/sta...92374435061761

BIDEN: "A typical driver will save about $80 a month from not having to pay gas at the pump" if they just buy an electric car.

Out of deference to JoeyFig, wanna move this to the Political Forum?

Originally Posted by JFigliuolo

You two... off to the political forum!
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Okay ; )

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/sta...92374435061761



Out of deference to JoeyFig, wanna move this to the Political Forum?

Okay ; )

I don't go in that cesspool of humanity anymore . Woulda been best if I ignored this thread, too. As a last word before I go catch the bottom of the drop, all of these but the Tesla's (which don't qualify) are between about 23-31k after incentives under normal market conditions. https://www.autotrader.com/best-cars/10-cheapest-evs

So... he is right and nobody is screaming for 50k cars for minimum wage earners Transition has started whether Exxon or Tucker C want it or not.

[wdmso]

Only the far right thinks Green energy is a scam and the far left think the world can exist oil free.

While normal humans see the benefit of a multiple prong approach to energy..

Imagine if the wheel was never adopted because people thought it was a hoax or was more worried it was going to put the horse out of business..
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[Guppy]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Only the far right thinks Green energy is a scam and the far left think the world can exist oil free.

While normal humans see the benefit of a multiple prong approach to energy..

Imagine if the wheel was never adopted because people thought it was a hoax or was more worried it was going to put the horse out of business..
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Meanwhile back in CCB, the waters not warm enough, skunk on the flatties today….