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Ahhhhhhh, a little political thread is refreshing. I do wish Jim were around so we could bring up his old posts about conservatives never, ever, ever rioting.

Can we at least agree the blanket pardoning/commutation of violent criminals who beat up police is patently reprehensible? For the sake of argument I’m even willing to set aside why they were there (Trump) why they were rioting (also Trump) and why many people falsely believe they were given unfair sentences (also, also Trump.)

Never seen anything like this in my lifetime.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by spence

Ahhhhhhh, a little political thread is refreshing. I do wish Jim were around so we could bring up his old posts about conservatives never, ever, ever rioting.

Can we at least agree the blanket pardoning/commutation of violent criminals who beat up police is patently reprehensible? For the sake of argument I’m even willing to set aside why they were there (Trump) why they were rioting (also Trump) and why many people falsely believe they were given unfair sentences (also, also Trump.)

Never seen anything like this in my lifetime.

What are your excuses for Biden pardoning Leonard Peltier. A cold blooded murderer who shot and killed two FBI agents at close range? I dont really expect an intelligent answer.....but give it a shot....ill listen. Let me guess though. "He didnt get a fair trial"

[spence]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

What are your excuses for Biden pardoning Leonard Peltier. A cold blooded murderer who shot and killed two FBI agents at close range? I dont really expect an intelligent answer.....but give it a shot....ill listen. Let me guess though. "He didnt get a fair trial"

Budda whadda shouldda didda, I thought we were talking about Trump

Whatever, seems like the Native American community (full disclosure, I am a card carrying Cherokee) in general has long fought for clemency on the grounds evidence was falsified in an environment of rampant judicial abuse towards indigenous people’s struggle for self determination. As Dr Oakley noted, President Biden didn’t give him a full pardon, but did recognize those fighting against injustice by letting him live what little is left of his life at home.

To be honest, serving five decades for a contested double murder charge when you don’t pose any further threat seems like Justice served. I do think the primary reason Wray strongly opposed his change in status is because to this day he maintains he did not kill the agents who died.

But that happened in the early 1970s, Trump’s blanket pardoning of hundreds of convicted violent criminals was just in the past few years and is, wait, was ongoing in our system.

People on the Right are so quick to jump on the smallest comment by a leftie they argue incites aggression towards police, I guess now if it’s in the name of MAGA, well, must be open season on first responders.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by spence

Budda whadda shouldda didda, I thought we were talking about Trump

Whatever, seems like the Native American community (full disclosure, I am a card carrying Cherokee) in general has long fought for clemency on the grounds evidence was falsified in an environment of rampant judicial abuse towards indigenous people’s struggle for self determination. As Dr Oakley noted, President Biden didn’t give him a full pardon, but did recognize those fighting against injustice by letting him live what little is left of his life at home.

To be honest, serving five decades for a contested double murder charge when you don’t pose any further threat seems like Justice served. I do think the primary reason Wray strongly opposed his change in status is because to this day he maintains he did not kill the agents who died.

But that happened in the early 1970s, Trump’s blanket pardoning of hundreds of convicted violent criminals was just in the past few years and is, wait, was ongoing in our system.

People on the Right are so quick to jump on the smallest comment by a leftie they argue incites aggression towards police, I guess now if it’s in the name of MAGA, well, must be open season on first responders.

I always enjoy your eloquent responses. But in short you are defending a douple cop murderer. For reasons youve explained so well. Murder is sometimes. Forgiveness is virtuous.

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Originally Posted by Rmarsh

I always enjoy your eloquent responses. But in short you are defending a douple cop murderer. For reasons youve explained so well.

No, I’m saying I don’t find the modification to his sentence to be out of bounds considering all the relevant context. In the eyes of the law he’s still guilty of a double murder and many have done less time for the same crime.

You’re comparing apples and oranges really.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by spence

No, I’m saying I don’t find the modification to his sentence to be out of bounds considering all the relevant context. In the eyes of the law he’s still guilty of a double murder and many have done less time for the same crime.

You’re comparing apples and oranges really.

Yes its comparing a muderer whose cause you sympathize with a murderer you dont care about....or the dead victims families children innocent.⁸ok lunch time over for me

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by spence

Budda whadda shouldda didda, I thought we were talking about Trump

Whatever, seems like the Native American community (full disclosure, I am a card carrying Cherokee) in general has long fought for clemency on the grounds evidence was falsified in an environment of rampant judicial abuse towards indigenous people’s struggle for self determination. As Dr Oakley noted, President Biden didn’t give him a full pardon, but did recognize those fighting against injustice by letting him live what little is left of his life at home.

To be honest, serving five decades for a contested double murder charge when you don’t pose any further threat seems like Justice served. I do think the primary reason Wray strongly opposed his change in status is because to this day he maintains he did not kill the agents who died.

But that happened in the early 1970s, Trump’s blanket pardoning of hundreds of convicted violent criminals was just in the past few years and is, wait, was ongoing in our system.

People on the Right are so quick to jump on the smallest comment by a leftie they argue incites aggression towards police, I guess now if it’s in the name of MAGA, well, must be open season on first responders.

Not sure that according to his birthright executive order you are still a citizen

“The Trump administration then goes on to argue that the 14th Amendment’s language — the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” — is best understood “to exclude the same individuals who were excluded by the Act —i.e., those who are ‘subject to any foreign power’ and ‘Indians not taxed.’”

The Justice Department attorneys return to the topic of whether or not Native Americans should be entitled to birthright citizenship later in their arguments, citing a Supreme Court case, Elk v. Wilkins, in which the court decided that “because members of Indian tribes owe ‘immediate allegiance’ to their tribes, they are not ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ of the United States and are not constitutionally entitled to Citizenship.”
“The United States’ connection with the children of illegal aliens and temporary visitors is weaker than its connection with members of Indian tribes. If the latter link is insufficient for birthright citizenship, the former certainly is,” the Trump administration argued.

The argument marks a sharp departure from the government’s opinion, which has held that Native Americans who are citizens of their respective tribes are also citizens of the United States.
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[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Not sure that according to his birthright executive order you are still a citizen

“The Trump administration then goes on to argue that the 14th Amendment’s language — the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” — is best understood “to exclude the same individuals who were excluded by the Act —i.e., those who are ‘subject to any foreign power’ and ‘Indians not taxed.’”

The Justice Department attorneys return to the topic of whether or not Native Americans should be entitled to birthright citizenship later in their arguments, citing a Supreme Court case, Elk v. Wilkins, in which the court decided that “because members of Indian tribes owe ‘immediate allegiance’ to their tribes, they are not ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ of the United States and are not constitutionally entitled to Citizenship.”
“The United States’ connection with the children of illegal aliens and temporary visitors is weaker than its connection with members of Indian tribes. If the latter link is insufficient for birthright citizenship, the former certainly is,” the Trump administration argued.

The argument marks a sharp departure from the government’s opinion, which has held that Native Americans who are citizens of their respective tribes are also citizens of the United States.
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Thats nice
Pete tell us why you thought indictmemts against Trump would stop American voters from electing him for a second term. Or dont

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

Thats nice
Pete tell us why you thought indictmemts against Trump would stop American voters from electing him for a second term. Or dont

I think McConnell missed the opportunity to get FFOTUS out of the political arena.
Inciting an insurrection is a valid cause for impeachment isn’t it?

Since he failed to do that an aggressive prosecutor would have pushed the first case into court and not let FFOTUS delay proceedings till his Court (his words) gave him the power of a king.

Instead we have FFOTUS pardoning criminals convicted for assaulting law officers and calling them hostages, drug dealers and cops who killed citizens.
Tell me how Trumplicans are the Anti crime party.
It’s obvious that FFOTUS has caused you to lose touch with reality.
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[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I think McConnell missed the opportunity to get FFOTUS out of the political arena.
Inciting an insurrection is a valid cause for impeachment isn’t it?

Since he failed to do that an aggressive prosecutor would have pushed the first case into court and not let FFOTUS delay proceedings till his Court (his words) gave him the power of a king.

Instead we have FFOTUS pardoning criminals convicted for assaulting law officers and calling them hostages, drug dealers and cops who killed citizens.
Tell me how Trumplicans are the Anti crime party.
It’s obvious that FFOTUS has caused you to lose touch with reality.
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.....Americans in large numbers made sure he was reelected.....you know the people at Trump rallys he compared to garbage...people like me you know....married 48 years....worked everyday for 52 years.....raised two full grow sons who love and respect me never had any problems with them...none....a guy who grew up dirt poor but managed the american dream by grit deternation and balls to make it.....we dont deserve to be called garbage and nazis. Thank you
By the way....i lead crews with guys who are not white and not natural born citizens.....i treat them with respect and they love me and love working under me.

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

Tell me how Trumplicans are the Anti crime party.

It’s a lot worse than that. Republicans have used the police as a cudgel against liberals for decades. Even the slightest criticism of police led to accusations of anti police bias, inciting violence against cops etc…and a lot of it was effective.

With one swipe of a fat black marker Trump just threw all of that away because he was in a rush, too arrogant and too lazy to process individual cases contradicting most of his party including his VP and Speaker in the process.

Perhaps the single dumbest political thing ever and it will likely be his undoing. Wait until these people start getting picked up for crimes, oops, they already are.