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[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

To much to read, I understand reason and facts are NOT your strong suit, but it's ok I fully understand, I just hope you have plans to address the anger it's not healthy.

You are mistaking my mocking you for anger. But i expect this from you. Take care of your TDS and keep your phony concern for me.
Show up at the big protest tommorow and fight fight fight

[Pete F.]

The biggest cage match ever will be between Musk and Trump. Elon will try to implement AI in a manner that automates much of what Trump is now trying to control.

Trump will have no understanding of what is going on and will have to turn to the AI oligarchs to support him in this battle.
I don’t think people realize how consequential globally this will be.

The future ain’t what it used to be
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[wdmso]

those planned talks between Russia and the US, which are expected to take place in Saudi Arabia in the coming days.

A senior government source has told BBC News that Ukraine has not been invited and is not sending a team to those talks.


maybe things will change.

[spence]

Originally Posted by wdmso

those planned talks between Russia and the US, which are expected to take place in Saudi Arabia in the coming days.

A senior government source has told BBC News that Ukraine has not been invited and is not sending a team to those talks.


maybe things will change.

Trump said he trusts Putin on this issue. He must really want that Moscow hotel.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I mentioned, before, in the old political forum, that you had improved in your writing skills. You have taken it a notch up in those since then.

And I don't consider this a competition. That's why I hate debates where the goal is more to win than to convince and to arrive at some truth.

Well i feel a good debate is about convincing people of the truth ..based on facts and not feelings.. I don't consider that winning

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

You are pathetically confused and continue to ASS ume.

I laugh at your nonsense when you try so hard to be smart.

Are you going to the protest? Im guessing no.

Or just blowing smoke again.? Im guessing again... yes.

oh trust me I have no illusions. Being smart is not a requirement dealing with you.. one just needs to be breathing to have the upperhand

..Signs of anger in dementia
Verbal aggression: Swearing, shouting, or making threats. seek help

[Pete F.]

The European countries including Britain are in the midst of moving to wartime economies.
They realize that Trump is not trustworthy and that Putin will not stop.
They have a larger economy than Russia and currently better equipment.
I think they would be foolish to wait.
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[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by wdmso

oh trust me I have no illusions. Being smart is not a requirement dealing with you.. one just needs to be breathing to have the upperhand

..Signs of anger in dementia
Verbal aggression: Swearing, shouting, or making threats. seek help

You sound angry....poor you...and you thought biden didn't have dementia. OK genius....when did you realize that or still in denial. Nice try at rebuttal. Going to protest tomorrow?

[Pete F.]

Trump negotiated an end to the conflict directly with the Taliban, without the US-backed government at the table.

The Taliban have since overrun Afghanistan.

Trump wants to negotiate an end to the conflict directly with Putin, without Ukraine at the table.

What do you think happens next?

Zelenskyy: "I will never accept any decisions between the United States and Russia about Ukraine. Never."
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[Pete F.]

Trump admin is pushing IRS to agree to an MOU that would give DOGE access to granular data on every taxpayer, business and nonprofit in the country.

Supposedly Musk and his dip#^&#^&#^&#^&s want "a heavily-guarded Internal Revenue Service system that includes detailed financial information about every taxpayer, business and nonprofit in the country." More data access than is granted to the IRS *commissioner.*

This would allow a billionaire and his minions posing as unelected bureaucrats to selectively cherrypick attacks on their political opponents using their most sensitive information.

This is a crime, the people attempting it are part of a criminal gang and should be treated accordingly.

In a Congressional oversight hearing on the IRS, a tax law expert testified that unauthorized access or sharing of taxpayers' personal data would be a crime, punishable by fine or up to five years in prison.


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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump admin is pushing IRS to agree to an MOU that would give DOGE access to granular data on every taxpayer, business and nonprofit in the country.
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Yep yet Trump won’t show Americans his tax returns or tax information..
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

You sound angry....poor you...and you thought biden didn't have dementia. OK genius....when did you realize that or still in denial. Nice try at rebuttal. Going to protest tomorrow?

Swing and a miss
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[Pete F.]

When Trump took office, the National Labor Relations Board had 24 investigations into Musk's corporations for violating workers' rights. But presto... Trump fired three officials at that agency, effectively stalling the board's ability to rule on cases. See how this works?
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[Pete F.]

Over the last 24 hours, anti-Musk Tesla protests have been covered in the BBC, The Guardian, Fast Company, The Financial Times, and a whole slew of other media outlets around the world.

Word is clearly getting out.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

250 years of unconstitutional actions have led to a situation so dire that it can only rightly be corrected through radical, mostly illegal and insanely irresponsible unconstitutional action. WTF?

The unconstitutional federal regulatory agencies with plenary power didn't become an issue until the FDR Administration, so it has been more like 100 years, not 250.

Our past eight years of prosecuting and impeaching Trump, and investigating him for conspiring with an enemy should assure us that he will not be allowed to escape any "mostly illegal" activities. So rest easy on that.

For a time I actually thought Reagan Republicans would make a come back. Remember the shining city on a hill inclusive of everyone to be lifted up? Hell, old Ronny was the first DEI president!

Everyone is still included in the opportunity to lift themselves up. But even Reagan didn't believe that they should be lifted up simply by government decrees and mandates, but by true merit and self discipline.

“Accidentally” firing the people who keep our nuclear arsenal safe isn’t an “oops”

Why not?

it’s just another example of how they couldn’t give a crap about average Americans.

What does it have to do with "Average" Americans?

Just like cutting the CDC while we’re on the brink of another outbreak

I'm sure RFK jr will do a good job on all that.
Hope he fixes the incompetence that org. displayed during the Covid crisis.

or illegally eliminating USAid which keeps our troops out of harms way is equally illegal and dumb.

So we didn't keep our troops out of harms way before USAid existed? Why would we depend on USAid to keep our troops out of harms way? How about the Defense Department or State Department or the Pentagon doing their jobs re that. Or how about not putting the troops in harms way unless they have the sufficient ordnance, backup and communication capabilities to handle it.
Why depend on an unconstitutional agency that does all manner of other things, including:

Here are only a few examples of the WASTE and ABUSE of USAid:

$1.5 million to “advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia’s workplaces and business communities”
$70,000 for production of a “DEI musical” in Ireland
$2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam
$47,000 for a “transgender opera” in Colombia
$32,000 for a “transgender comic book” in Peru
$2 million for sex changes and “LGBT activism” in Guatemala
$6 million to fund tourism in Egypt
Hundreds of thousands of dollars for a non-profit linked to designated terrorist organizations — even AFTER an inspector general launched an investigation
Millions to EcoHealth Alliance — which was involved in research at the Wuhan lab
“Hundreds of thousands of meals that went to al Qaeda-affiliated fighters in Syria”
Funding to print “personalized” contraceptives birth control devices in developing countries
Hundreds of millions of dollars to fund “irrigation canals, farming equipment, and even fertilizer used to support the unprecedented poppy cultivation and heroin production in Afghanistan,” benefiting the Taliban
The list literally goes on and on — and it has all been happening for decades.


But no, let’s weaken our alliances, withdraw our influence and coddle authoritarians and dictators.

Trump's rhetoric and actions (influence) have caused our alliances to strengthen themselves militarily (or realize that they
have to do so) which actually overall will strengthen the total alliance. And which does not coddle any enemies. In the meantime, diplomatic relations with adversaries, backed by a stronger EU, is wisdom, not coddling. I would love to see a greater western economic pact which included Russia in its sphere of alliances.

While we’re at it flaunt the rule of law, suppress the media and eliminate government oversight.

See above for the flaunting rule of law nonsense.

The media doesn't seem to be "suppressed" except by its own realization that it has lost customers due to its own overly slanted "news" and opinion re Trump the past eight years. And that it needs to make some changes in order to continue existing.

This is all very “Constitutional” and by your reading just what the Founding Fathers envisioned, except it’s what they hoped would never come to be.

It is very Constitutional to change the nature of or eliminate federal regulatory agencies. If they must exist, they should be advisory, investigative, or procedural in nature, and should not have power to legislate in any way, and certainly should not have any judiciary power in matters of disputes with the public.

And yes, the Founding Fathers did hope such administrative agencies with plenary power that we now have "would never come to be."
As they noted in their Declaration of Independence regarding the Central power of the King whom they fervently were revolting against:
"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance."

They would have seen this centralized administrative state with its multitude of new agencies and their swarms of officers to be the kind of tyranny they would fight to be free from.

Give me a break.

I'm sure you don't need my permission to take a break. But go ahead.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I'm sure you don't need my permission to take a break. But go ahead.

Waste of time debating with TDS patients.
But go ahead and entertain them.......they are desperate and need to vent their frustration over the crushing loss they have suffered.
Grieving lost souls. Thats why this thread was started.....for them.

[Got Stripers]

Sort of hypocritical to be all about cutting government wasteful spending and then spend tens of millions of our tax dollars for a purely political stunt like the super bowl and Daytona productions.

[wdmso]

Watched a segment of live liberty and Levine Who asked speaker Johnson why liberals loved George Soros. But hate Musk and what he is doing?

Johnson.Praised Musk for being in the belly of the beast. And helping bringing some government as the founders wanted. And fighting against the deep and administrative state. Then went on to say they the Dems were hypocrites for supporting Soros and not Musk.


That’s all these cowards do is lie and lie on Fox which is Trumps propaganda wing.

The only way Soros is like musk is their both billionaires and donors.. full stop

Of course the can’t show Soros having access to Americans personal information

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Sort of hypocritical to be all about cutting government wasteful spending and then spend tens of millions of our tax dollars for a purely political stunt like the super bowl and Daytona productions.

Don’t forget 10 people died in floods while Trump took his victory lap


But critics, including conservative political commentator Tucker Carlson, GOP Sen. Marco Rubio, Republican Rep. Lauren Boebert and Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, in questioning the administration’s handling of the chemical disaster. In Ohio.

Remember the one where no one was killed. And no homes were lost.
That right wing manufacturer tragedy



You know you can’t post the Truth here.. some members might get upset.. you forget his week ending trips back to Florida

Biden, who has been heavily criticized by conservatives for the amount of time he has spent on vacation at his Delaware beach house over the years, faced backlash online from conservatives over his Friday comment.

In a related story, Biden will be taking another long weekend at the beach and has spent 40% of his presidency on vacation," Fox News contributor Joe Concha posted on X.

"REALITY CHECK: Joe Biden has spent 40% of his presidency on vacation," GOP strategist Steve Guest posted on X.

Republicans dishonestly is their bread and butter

[Pete F.]

Here’s a Brit looking at our current situation from outside our box.
He explains pretty well why the average MAGA supporter ain’t gonna be happy.
Now the Libertarian and the Cult member will disagree, oh well.
https://youtu.be/R8BQf7aM2gM?si=hqHelYyPmliaHL6F
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[Pete F.]

After all we've seen in the past 3.5wks, I cannot believe anyone is confused about this.

Musk. Owns. Trump.

Trump sold Musk the functions of the Presidency; in return, Musk spent $250M to ensure Trump won instead of dying in prison.

Trump just licenses his name to the deal: POTUS in name only.

He sits at his desk and signs EOs “That’s a big one”
Makes public appearances at events at a cost of millions each.
Issues Truths on his social media platform.
Sells MAGA stuff
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

After all we've seen in the past 3.5wks, I cannot believe anyone is confused about this.

Musk. Owns. Trump.

Trump sold Musk the functions of the Presidency; in return, Musk spent $250M to ensure Trump won instead of dying in prison.

Trump just licenses his name to the deal: POTUS in name only.

He sits at his desk and signs EOs “That’s a big one”
Makes public appearances at events at a cost of millions each.
Issues Truths on his social media platform.
Sells MAGA stuff
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^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Protest starts in an hour..unless they cancelled.I will bring hot chocolate for you. LMK... Summer is better weather for protests.....if we still have a country.

[detbuch]

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eliminating USAid which keeps our troops out of harms way is equally illegal and dumb.
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More on the the good work of USAid:

[wdmso]

Here are only a few examples of the WASTE and ABUSE of USAid:

$1.5 million to “advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia’s workplaces and business communities”
$70,000 for production of a “DEI musical” in Ireland
$2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam
$47,000 for a “transgender opera” in Colombia
$32,000 for a “transgender comic book” in Peru
$2 million for sex changes and “LGBT activism” in Guatemala
$6 million to fund tourism in Egypt
Hundreds of thousands of dollars for a non-profit linked to designated terrorist organizations — even AFTER an inspector general launched an investigation
Millions to EcoHealth Alliance — which was involved in research at the Wuhan lab
“Hundreds of thousands of meals that went to al Qaeda-affiliated fighters in Syria”
Funding to print “personalized” contraceptives birth control devices in developing countries
Hundreds of millions of dollars to fund “irrigation canals, farming equipment, and even fertilizer used to support the unprecedented poppy cultivation and heroin production in Afghanistan,” benefiting the Taliban
The list literally goes on and on — and it has all been happening for decades.


What no links I am shocked. Half of what you posted is all BS.

Still where’s the fraud. ? When is Musk. Going to show us what Trumps. USAID funded and spent. During his 1st Term?

But we know you’ll never ask to see that.. it’s not convenient….

Earlier this month the Trump administration described a separate grant of $70,000 (£56,000) for a "DEI musical" in Ireland as "crap" that US taxpayer money was "wasted on

Now an examination of spending records shows that in October 2021 $24,000 (£19,000) of US taxpayer's money was given to the Institute of Art, Design and Technology (IADT) in Dun Laoghaire, Co Dublin, to "nurture and encourage equality, inclusion and diversity in storytelling, by facilitating self-generated narratives from diverse community groups through the medium of film".

Funny how reality never match’s with musk and trumps lies

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/us-ta...oject-13309628..


FYI just because Trump considers it waste and abuse. Because he doesn’t like it.

Doesn’t make it so. The funding was passed by congress and signed by the POTUS

Making it a law. The ones republicans find so pesky .. when they get in their way

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

More on the the good work of USAid:

To funny you support a treasonous president Trump. With witness that conveniently try to suggest. Everything was a conspiracy against Trump

It’s a pattern with you and others. The election was rigged Covid was a hoax. USAID tried to get Trump. It’s a hoax. The list is endless

Even when we had the Hero General of Trump. Said this

Former Defense Secretary James Mattis once said, “If you don't fund the State Department fully, then I need to buy more ammunition ultimately.” ...
He became a RINO. Hero to zero…. Because he refused to bend the knee. …

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

More on the the good work of USAid:

questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source


Wow that’s your evidence…. Talk about disinformation

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Here are only a few examples of the WASTE and ABUSE of USAid:

$1.5 million to “advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia’s workplaces and business communities”
$70,000 for production of a “DEI musical” in Ireland
$2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam
$47,000 for a “transgender opera” in Colombia
$32,000 for a “transgender comic book” in Peru
$2 million for sex changes and “LGBT activism” in Guatemala
$6 million to fund tourism in Egypt
Hundreds of thousands of dollars for a non-profit linked to designated terrorist organizations — even AFTER an inspector general launched an investigation
Millions to EcoHealth Alliance — which was involved in research at the Wuhan lab
“Hundreds of thousands of meals that went to al Qaeda-affiliated fighters in Syria”
Funding to print “personalized” contraceptives birth control devices in developing countries
Hundreds of millions of dollars to fund “irrigation canals, farming equipment, and even fertilizer used to support the unprecedented poppy cultivation and heroin production in Afghanistan,” benefiting the Taliban
The list literally goes on and on — and it has all been happening for decades.

What no links I am shocked.

Half of what you posted is all BS.

Oh so half isn't?

Still where’s the fraud. ?

Who said anything about fraud?

When is Musk. Going to show us what Trumps. USAID funded and spent. During his 1st Term?

What does it matter? If you can show wasteful or abusive USAid funding during Trump's administration, how would that make the agency not wasteful or abusive?

But we know you’ll never ask to see that.. it’s not convenient….

It would just be further proof of the agency's wastefulness and abuse.

No doubt USAid wasted money during Trump's administration as well as during its tenure under the other Presidents.

Now an examination of spending records shows that in October 2021 $24,000 (£19,000) of US taxpayer's money was given to the Institute of Art, Design and Technology (IADT) in Dun Laoghaire, Co Dublin, to "nurture and encourage equality, inclusion and diversity in storytelling, by facilitating self-generated narratives from diverse community groups through the medium of film".

In my opinion giving taxpayer money to an art institute in Ireland, especially for a DEI project, is a waste of money for a country that is 30 trillion dollars in debt, and whose citizens are suffering inflationary prices for their necessities as well as an impending collapse of their Social Security investment.

FYI just because Trump considers it waste and abuse. Because he doesn’t like it. Doesn’t make it so.

Doesn't make it not.

The funding was passed by congress and signed by the POTUS

Making it a law. The ones republicans find so pesky .. when they get in their way

It is a very pesky and wasteful law--regardless which Congress passed it or which President signed it.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

To funny you support a treasonous president Trump. With witness that conveniently try to suggest. Everything was a conspiracy against Trump

This is disinformation.

It’s a pattern with you and others. The election was rigged Covid was a hoax. USAID tried to get Trump. It’s a hoax. The list is endless

This is misinformation.

Even when we had the Hero General of Trump. Said this

Former Defense Secretary James Mattis once said, “If you don't fund the State Department fully, then I need to buy more ammunition ultimately.” ...
He became a RINO. Hero to zero…. Because he refused to bend the knee. …

This is malinformation

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

It is a very pesky and wasteful law--regardless which Congress passed it or which President signed it.

So, if someone disappeared Trump and Musk perhaps to Guantanamo and the majority of people thought they were pesky and wasteful and that it saved the country, would a law have been broken?
Who chooses which laws are enforced?
Why do we have the rule of law?
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