Blah blah blah 2

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So, if someone disappeared Trump and Musk perhaps to Guantanamo and the majority of people thought they were pesky and wasteful and that it saved the country, would a law have been broken?
Who chooses which laws are enforced?
Why do we have the rule of law?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Hitler.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source

Good to know.

Wow that’s your evidence…. Talk about disinformation

Is this referring to the video? WTF are you talking about?

[Pete F.]

Don’t forget that JD Vance went to Yale Law on a DEI program for veterans called Yellow Ribbon.
After women, veterans are the number two recipients of DEI benefits.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Hitler.

“Is this referring to the video? WTF are you talking about?”
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

“Is this referring to the video? WTF are you talking about?”
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

fascist

[wdmso]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...ral-employees/

Elon Musk ridiculed a blind person on X. Then a mob went to work.
Musk’s unparalleled online reach on X has given him a powerful tool to attack individuals who criticize DOGE.

First, Musk retweeted a post on X noting that the “blind director of watchdog group funded by George Soros testifies that he does not see widespread evidence of government waste” and added two laughing/crying emojis. The tweet garnered more than 21 million views, and sparked dozens of hateful messages to Hedtler-Gaudette’s account.

“He couldn’t see s--- … perfect excuse for being unable to perform your job,” one poster said. “The dei blind guy can’t see fraud. U can’t make up this garbage,” another wrote. One person even called for posters to surface Hedtler-Gaudette’s bank account.

Last week, he amplified baseless claims about the judge who overturned Trump’s funding freeze on federal grants that named his government employee daughter. Musk has called for the dismissal of journalists who have written about DOGE, calling their actions “possibly criminal.”

Republicans to cowardly to call this behavior wrong. they actually think they are holding Musks leash. LOL

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

fascist

Projecting again?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...ral-employees/

Elon Musk ridiculed a blind person on X. Then a mob went to work.
Musk’s unparalleled online reach on X has given him a powerful tool to attack individuals who criticize DOGE.

First, Musk retweeted a post on X noting that the “blind director of watchdog group funded by George Soros testifies that he does not see widespread evidence of government waste” and added two laughing/crying emojis. The tweet garnered more than 21 million views, and sparked dozens of hateful messages to Hedtler-Gaudette’s account.

“He couldn’t see s--- … perfect excuse for being unable to perform your job,” one poster said. “The dei blind guy can’t see fraud. U can’t make up this garbage,” another wrote. One person even called for posters to surface Hedtler-Gaudette’s bank account.

Last week, he amplified baseless claims about the judge who overturned Trump’s funding freeze on federal grants that named his government employee daughter. Musk has called for the dismissal of journalists who have written about DOGE, calling their actions “possibly criminal.”

Republicans to cowardly to call this behavior wrong. they actually think they are holding Musks leash. LOL

I have not heard the Musk version of this, if there is one. But, from what you've posted, it doesn't move me enough to really care in the grand political schemes of legislation that uphold or destroy the constitutional integrity of our system of government. It does appear, however, to be well below the high standard set by Democrats . . . so I'll go with the flow and say that his behavior is wrong. Sort of. Certainly not befitting of the constantly high quality vective that gushes daily from the lips of Democrats.

Ah, Musk . . . if only you were perfect . . . sort of like Biden, or Harris, or Schumer . . . et al.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Projecting again?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Watch your tongue or you may get a visit from the Schutzstaffel.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Watch your tongue or you may get a visit from the Schutzstaffel.

But probably not from the IRS

The IRS represented a very simple test for the credibility of DOGE. Was it really interested in efficiency and state capacity? If so, you support tax enforcement, the biggest return on investment in government, generating somewhere between $5-9 for every additional $1 spent on enforcement.

Or did DOGE want to minimize parts of the state that bothered billionaires?

We have our answer. In the middle of tax season, the IRS was told to lay off thousands of workers hired as part of the rebuilding project.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[Pete F.]

by Will Bunch

The newest dystopian thriller that everyone is talking about these days is a little hard to swallow, even by Hollywood standards. The supervillain is an almost cartoonish sort: The world’s richest man with a drug habit, 11 scattered kids, and a penchant for sleeping on couches (if at all). With his posse of young male tech groupies, he uses his billions to first buy the political discourse, then a greedy puppet president, and finally, through him, the levers of government.
It’s almost too late when the masses learn the villain’s real purpose: To replace the flawed humanity of democracy with machines designed by an unaccountable tech elite. And the heroes of our story — a gaggle of activists, outsider journalists and mid-level politicians who realize the truth — are running out of time.

This unbelievable plot line is our reality, now playing out in Washington, D.C., and coming soon to a closed federal office or downsized university near you. The blitzkrieg by Elon Musk and his small cult of 20-something dude-bro minions against the federal government — crushing foreign aid and consumer protection, threatening the Department of Education and seeking a chokehold over the entire federal payment system — has left everyday Americans dazed and confused. And we’re just three weeks into the Donald Trump presidency that has enabled the $400 billion man.

The rapid onslaught by Musk and his pseudo-government agency, the Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, has happened in a scattershot, unpredictable way that has also left the Beltway media in the dust. Few, if any, seem to understand what Musk, DOGE, or their hands-off patron in Trump truly want. It’s true that massive cuts in the programs that empower middle-class Americans will mean more money for things that Musk, Trump and their allies want, including more tax cuts for the super-rich and a large deportation army. But a community of folks who pay attention to Silicon Valley — the new center of power, not Washington — says the bigger idea is darker and much more sinister.

“This isn’t a spontaneous coup — it’s the culmination of a dangerous ideology that has been meticulously developed since the 2008 financial crisis, one that sees democracy itself as obsolete technology ready to be ‘disrupted,’“ a veteran Silicon Valley executive, Mike Brock, wrote in a recent essay, The Plot Against America. He explained: ”DOGE is not about efficiency. It is about erasure. Democracy is being deleted in slow motion, replaced by proprietary technology and AI models. It is a coup, executed not with guns, but with backend migrations and database wipes."
That’s dangerous, because most of us — voters, but also the media, Congress and other watchdogs — are much better at understanding a violent coup where cops are beaten and attacked, as on Jan. 6, 2021, than “backend migrations.” But longtime watchers say the dangerous techno-fascism behind Musk’s DOGE has a long-time patron in Musk’s ally and fellow South Africa-raised billionaire, Peter Thiel, and a key inventor: Curtis Yarvin.

A 51-year-old computer engineer and blogger with a following going back to the 2000s, Yarvin is unknown to most Americans but his radical ideas have grown deep roots in some MAGA circles. In many ways, his views are deeply problematic on issues like race — telling the New York Times last month that Black people were worse off in their freed years right after the Civil War than when they were enslaved, for example. But Yarvin’s bigger ideas about the failure of democracy and the need for a kind of monarch, or a dictator, with the value system of technological elites — cemented after the 2008 financial crisis — have gained admirers that include Vice President JD Vance.

“If Americans want to change their government, they’re going to have to get over their dictator phobia,” Yarvin wrote under a pseudonym in 2012. Yarvin and a circle of “thought leaders” in Silicon Valley and other far-right communities believe that democracy is a kind of inefficient mob rule, broken beyond repair, but that a high-tech-flavored “creative destruction” could replace it with a notion of better government through computer engineering.

In explaining what Yarvin has also called “turbocapitalism,” Suzanne Schneider in the UK’s New European wrote: “The engineers...represent the triumph of instrumental reason in our new century. They fetishize efficiency and understand the democratic state as an impediment to the sort of ‘progress’ they desire.” Ultimately these ideas were adopted by billionaires with the power in an age of unlimited campaign spending to change America like Thiel, who notoriously wrote in 2009 that “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible.”
Ideas from this extreme-right intelligentsia spent the last 15 years morphing, remarkably, into reality. These include controlling the flow of information (Musk buying Twitter for $44 billion in 2022), a Yarvin 2022 proposal called “RAGE” for Retire All Government Employees (thus, the DOGE-led push for mass resignations and firings of the federal workforce), and the more recent Silicon Valley embrace of cryptocurrency as a tool to disrupt the institutions of a comatose democracy. Now, Musk’s DOGE team is racing to replace the fired or locked-out civil servants with generative artificial intelligence in what a TechPolicy Press writer calls “an AI Coup,” because it “concentrates power with those who understand and control this system’s maintenance, upkeep, and upgrades.”

Normally, these fringe ideas would have stayed about 3,000 miles west of Washington, quarantined in their wealthy California bubble, but a perfect storm put this nightmare on the brink. For one thing, a majority of rank-and-file voters also lost faith in government as well as the institutions that support civil society, if perhaps for different reasons. Even more importantly, the anti-democratic ideas of Yarvin and Thiel found both an even wealthier ally in Musk and also a front man in Trump, the bridge with an ability to seduce MAGA voters, even as he agreed to cede enormous power to billionaires, in a Faustian bargain to gain four more years in the White House.

Trump’s “red Caesar” techno-monarchy is actually just high-tech tyranny. Government by AI isn’t more efficient, just inhumane, and it’s also a lie, because the real decisions aren’t actually being made by computers, but by the corrupted humans who program them. And their unbridled faith in Silicon Valley elites is often an excuse to govern America with the same foundations of white supremacy and misogyny that thrive in the tech world. The humans who pretend in the ethical purity of AI really just want more obscene wealth for themselves and the same impunity for their crimes that Trump has granted himself.

The masses of American people need to understand that we are already pawns in their experiment, and that a small band of billionaires and their disciples played the cruelest hoax of using a democratic election on Nov. 5, 2024, to push the start button on their program to end democracy. Humanity needs to fight back quickly, before their AI algorithm decides that on Nov. 7, 2028, your vote doesn’t matter at all.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

But probably not from the IRS

The IRS represented a very simple test for the credibility of DOGE. Was it really interested in efficiency and state capacity? If so, you support tax enforcement, the biggest return on investment in government, generating somewhere between $5-9 for every additional $1 spent on enforcement.

Or did DOGE want to minimize parts of the state that bothered billionaires?

We have our answer. In the middle of tax season, the IRS was told to lay off thousands of workers hired as part of the rebuilding project.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

DOGE will Kristallnacht the IRS . . .macht uns frei!!

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

DOGE will Kristallnacht the IRS . . .macht uns frei!!

It’s not will, they already did

Here’s AIs view of the South Afrikaner
https://youtu.be/Zdsd522YzPQ?si=R1M18-OSCfkULp7L
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It’s not will, they already did

Worrrd . . .

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

by Will Bunch

The newest dystopian thriller that everyone is talking about these days is a little hard to swallow, even by Hollywood standards. The supervillain is an almost cartoonish sort: The world’s richest man with a drug habit, 11 scattered kids, and a penchant for sleeping on couches (if at all). With his posse of young male tech groupies, he uses his billions to first buy the political discourse, then a greedy puppet president, and finally, through him, the levers of government.
It’s almost too late when the masses learn the villain’s real purpose: To replace the flawed humanity of democracy with machines designed by an unaccountable tech elite. And the heroes of our story — a gaggle of activists, outsider journalists and mid-level politicians who realize the truth — are running out of time.

This unbelievable plot line is our reality, now playing out in Washington, D.C., and coming soon to a closed federal office or downsized university near you. The blitzkrieg by Elon Musk and his small cult of 20-something dude-bro minions against the federal government — crushing foreign aid and consumer protection, threatening the Department of Education and seeking a chokehold over the entire federal payment system — has left everyday Americans dazed and confused. And we’re just three weeks into the Donald Trump presidency that has enabled the $400 billion man.

The rapid onslaught by Musk and his pseudo-government agency, the Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, has happened in a scattershot, unpredictable way that has also left the Beltway media in the dust. Few, if any, seem to understand what Musk, DOGE, or their hands-off patron in Trump truly want. It’s true that massive cuts in the programs that empower middle-class Americans will mean more money for things that Musk, Trump and their allies want, including more tax cuts for the super-rich and a large deportation army. But a community of folks who pay attention to Silicon Valley — the new center of power, not Washington — says the bigger idea is darker and much more sinister.

“This isn’t a spontaneous coup — it’s the culmination of a dangerous ideology that has been meticulously developed since the 2008 financial crisis, one that sees democracy itself as obsolete technology ready to be ‘disrupted,’“ a veteran Silicon Valley executive, Mike Brock, wrote in a recent essay, The Plot Against America. He explained: ”DOGE is not about efficiency. It is about erasure. Democracy is being deleted in slow motion, replaced by proprietary technology and AI models. It is a coup, executed not with guns, but with backend migrations and database wipes."
That’s dangerous, because most of us — voters, but also the media, Congress and other watchdogs — are much better at understanding a violent coup where cops are beaten and attacked, as on Jan. 6, 2021, than “backend migrations.” But longtime watchers say the dangerous techno-fascism behind Musk’s DOGE has a long-time patron in Musk’s ally and fellow South Africa-raised billionaire, Peter Thiel, and a key inventor: Curtis Yarvin.

A 51-year-old computer engineer and blogger with a following going back to the 2000s, Yarvin is unknown to most Americans but his radical ideas have grown deep roots in some MAGA circles. In many ways, his views are deeply problematic on issues like race — telling the New York Times last month that Black people were worse off in their freed years right after the Civil War than when they were enslaved, for example. But Yarvin’s bigger ideas about the failure of democracy and the need for a kind of monarch, or a dictator, with the value system of technological elites — cemented after the 2008 financial crisis — have gained admirers that include Vice President JD Vance.

“If Americans want to change their government, they’re going to have to get over their dictator phobia,” Yarvin wrote under a pseudonym in 2012. Yarvin and a circle of “thought leaders” in Silicon Valley and other far-right communities believe that democracy is a kind of inefficient mob rule, broken beyond repair, but that a high-tech-flavored “creative destruction” could replace it with a notion of better government through computer engineering.

In explaining what Yarvin has also called “turbocapitalism,” Suzanne Schneider in the UK’s New European wrote: “The engineers...represent the triumph of instrumental reason in our new century. They fetishize efficiency and understand the democratic state as an impediment to the sort of ‘progress’ they desire.” Ultimately these ideas were adopted by billionaires with the power in an age of unlimited campaign spending to change America like Thiel, who notoriously wrote in 2009 that “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible.”
Ideas from this extreme-right intelligentsia spent the last 15 years morphing, remarkably, into reality. These include controlling the flow of information (Musk buying Twitter for $44 billion in 2022), a Yarvin 2022 proposal called “RAGE” for Retire All Government Employees (thus, the DOGE-led push for mass resignations and firings of the federal workforce), and the more recent Silicon Valley embrace of cryptocurrency as a tool to disrupt the institutions of a comatose democracy. Now, Musk’s DOGE team is racing to replace the fired or locked-out civil servants with generative artificial intelligence in what a TechPolicy Press writer calls “an AI Coup,” because it “concentrates power with those who understand and control this system’s maintenance, upkeep, and upgrades.”

Normally, these fringe ideas would have stayed about 3,000 miles west of Washington, quarantined in their wealthy California bubble, but a perfect storm put this nightmare on the brink. For one thing, a majority of rank-and-file voters also lost faith in government as well as the institutions that support civil society, if perhaps for different reasons. Even more importantly, the anti-democratic ideas of Yarvin and Thiel found both an even wealthier ally in Musk and also a front man in Trump, the bridge with an ability to seduce MAGA voters, even as he agreed to cede enormous power to billionaires, in a Faustian bargain to gain four more years in the White House.

Trump’s “red Caesar” techno-monarchy is actually just high-tech tyranny. Government by AI isn’t more efficient, just inhumane, and it’s also a lie, because the real decisions aren’t actually being made by computers, but by the corrupted humans who program them. And their unbridled faith in Silicon Valley elites is often an excuse to govern America with the same foundations of white supremacy and misogyny that thrive in the tech world. The humans who pretend in the ethical purity of AI really just want more obscene wealth for themselves and the same impunity for their crimes that Trump has granted himself.

The masses of American people need to understand that we are already pawns in their experiment, and that a small band of billionaires and their disciples played the cruelest hoax of using a democratic election on Nov. 5, 2024, to push the start button on their program to end democracy. Humanity needs to fight back quickly, before their AI algorithm decides that on Nov. 7, 2028, your vote doesn’t matter at all.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Maybe use your own thoughts and words........even if it's hard

[Rmarsh]

[QUOTE=detbuch Certainly not befitting of the constantly high quality vective that gushes daily from the lips of Democrats.

Ah, Musk . . . if only you were perfect . . . sort of like Biden, or Harris, or Schumer . . . et al.[/QUOTE]

Sackless hypocrites says it all and cannot be repeated enough.
We may have to rename TDS....as it doesnt cover the complete emotional and mental breakdown of grown men.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Hitler.

This what they are reduced to.......sniveling crybabies...making hitler comparisons means they are idiots. They have tried everything else to stop him and nothing has worked. Its all they have left and makes them look stupider everytime.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

This what they are reduced to.......sniveling crybabies...making hitler comparisons means they are idiots. They have tried everything else to stop him and nothing has worked. It’s all they have left and makes them look stupider everytime.

I guess then a simple question is, under Trump is the country moving more towards Hitler or a representative democracy.

I’ll wait.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I'm sure you don't need my permission to take a break. But go ahead.

Oh look, he can cut and paste misinformation. Most of those examples of “rampant waste” are either wrong or or simply policy decisions spun out of context. Nothing bad about investing to cultivate stability and western values. It makes the world safer and ensures American leadership.

Edit…it “did.”

If you really want to eliminate waste start with the hundreds of billions spent to service the debt on tax cuts for the top 1%.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by spence

I guess then a simple question is, under Trump is the country moving more towards Hitler or a representative democracy.

I’ll wait.

Towards Hitler? Are you really this stupid? Ill wait....nah ...nevermind.
Hitler is all you got left in your toolbag.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

Towards Hitler? Are you really this stupid? Ill wait

You didn’t answer the question.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by spence

You didn’t answer the question.

Reading comprehension problem.......you are regressing fast

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by spence

You didn’t answer the question.

Your question suggest you have no clue what hitler did......I dont answer stupid questions.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

Your question suggest you have no clue what hitler did......I dont answer stupid questions.

I didn’t think you would answer.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by spence

You didn’t answer the question.

By the way..... You know that you are an embarrassment to the fine patriot in your avatar....dont you? Ill wait

[spence]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

By the way..... You know that you are an embarrassment to the fine patriot in your avatar....dont you? Ill wait

Are you flirting with me?

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by spence

Are you flirting with me?

Yes....I think we could at least be friends...without benefits

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by spence

You didn’t answer the question.

Marsh doesn’t grasp the irony as he says Hitler is all you have, when after a couple of threads and all these posts, he has only one thing to say. That one thing of course has nothing to do with the policy being discussed at the time, or the EA being stopped by the courts we are posting about, its only more of the same insults and venom. Like i said before he is a one trick pony, if only the weather was as predictable as his next response. Even if you pose a simple question he isn’t capable of an intelligent response, it’s insults, venom and deflection the mini me MO.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Marsh doesn’t grasp the irony as he says Hitler is all you have, when after a couple of threads and all these posts, he has only one thing to say. That one thing of course has nothing to do with the policy being discussed at the time, or the EA being stopped by the courts we are posting about, its only more of the same insults and venom. Like i said before he is a one trick pony, if only the weather was as predictable as his next response. Even if you pose a simple question he isn’t capable of an intelligent response, it’s insults, venom and deflection the mini me MO.

Heres GS trying to get his nose between my butcheeks again....didnt want to disapoint you

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I have not heard the Musk version of this, if there is one. But, from what you've posted, it doesn't move me enough to really care in the grand political schemes of legislation that uphold or destroy the constitutional integrity of our system of government. It does appear, however, to be well below the high standard set by Democrats . . . so I'll go with the flow and say that his behavior is wrong. Sort of. Certainly not befitting of the constantly high quality vective that gushes daily from the lips of Democrats.

Ah, Musk . . . if only you were perfect . . . sort of like Biden, or Harris, or Schumer . . . et al.

doesn't move me enough to really care in the grand political schemes of legislation that uphold or destroy the constitutional integrity of our system of government.

So what did Trump do in his first term to fix the above?


I have not heard the Musk version of this … nice cop out

How about this one

Hegseth says Biden’s IRS targeted him for a#^&‘sham’ audit
The defense secretary posted an undated IRS notice on social media. He offered no evidence that it was politically motivated.


Yep, conveniently after musk gets access to the IRS database.. telegraph in the future