Mid term elections....

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Perhaps we should have sent them to Parris Island then, but I remember something about it being done on site.

You're comparing apples to oranges.

Look at the Kurds, no problem with motivation...because they have ownership.

-spence

We are talking about Military Training. Not Apples not Oranges. Military Training whether in Parris Island or Bagdhad instills motivation. Unmotivated individuals fail. Are you trying to tell us we are wasting our time Training Security Forces in Iraq? Or are you just being contrary to common sense?

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Are you trying to tell us we are wasting our time Training Security Forces in Iraq? Or are you just being contrary to common sense?

Common sense would indicate training effectiveness will be seriously hampered without motivation. We can't solve all the motivation issues, you can only lead the horse to water, but our policy decisions have really crippled us here.

Bush has been against setting many meaningful goals that would help to pressure Iraqi's into taking action into their own hands. I'm not advocating an immediate pull-out, but we might have to let them crash the bike in order to learn how to ride.

-spence

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[gone fishin]

How the hell did we get into a civil war in Iraq?

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by gone fishin

How the hell did we get into a civil war in Iraq?

Easy answer--we started it.

You only had to look at the Balkans to see what was going to happen after Saddam was out of the picture. Very similar picture--bunch of disparate ethnicities/religions artificially held together under the reign of a brutal dictator (Tito in Yugoslavia, Hussein in Iraq). When the cement holding it together is removed, all hell breaks loose.

It's our great misfortune as a country to be too idealistic for our own good, still, after we should know better. We see people being brutalized in the world and we want to do something about it. That dirtbag Milosevic is ethnically cleansing Serbia by slaughtering Croats and Muslims, heck, let's stick our nose in that mess--and in the worst possible way, under the auspices of the UN

[gone fishin]

Mike -- Exactly - you would have thought that we would have learned from that fiasco. If we pull out now the bloodbath will be one that no one will controll. If anyone thinks the UN will be able to stop it they are dreaming.