Spot Burning to the Nth degree!

[MrHunters]

just know who your friends are i guess

i like sharing info but only with people i know, know the drill.

that sucks man.

[Canalman]

Been there before, well not to the TV show degree. I found a great spring spot, I let a few guys in on it and now it's ballooned out of control. And the funny thing is, they all call it "their" spot now, and some talk about how they've been fishing there for years and bla bla. I still sometimes think... man if I had only kept my F--ing mouth shut!

Live and learn....

[spence]

Originally Posted by Canalman

Been there before, well not to the TV show degree. I found a great spring spot, I let a few guys in on it and now it's ballooned out of control. And the funny thing is, they all call it "their" spot now, and some talk about how they've been fishing there for years and bla bla. I still sometimes think... man if I had only kept my F--ing mouth shut!

Live and learn....

That's my spot now. Why did you ruin in?

-spence

[ThrowingTimber]

Bummer.

[Pt.JudeJoe]

Soooooo...where is this place anyways?

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Back Beach

Been there, done that. Its part of the game. I've learned not to claim any piece of water as my own because its likely, if not definite, that someone has fished it before you. Yes, you will benefit if you keep your pet spots quiet by not broadcasting them and drawing crowds, but over time I've benefitted from getting good info and I've shared good info in return.I've seen this situation play out countless times. Get over it, they're %$%$%$%$ing fish for god's sake.

Exactly....



Well first of all, bringing attention to it just makes it a self fufilling propecy...worst thing to do...As for calling out that Charter captain, that takes large nuts as that particular captain has many many years fishing that spot a heck of alot more that 7 acually x 4...As for the emails? well thsoe would most certainly be people that already know what they are seeing becasue they have fished there before...simple as that...anyone else would not have any clue and would be guessing.

It was a Tv show that included numerous spots, edited together over a couple days fishing...acually the spot in question sucked that day and the fish were caught 5 miles away from there...Many people can spot a 23 foot parker heading out of wickford towards the same place everyday, not hard to do...sooner or later those other boats will figure it out, that goes with fishing, to say all those boats are the result of one guy is ludicrus...


This laying claim stuff is plain stupid, if you know how to fish its easy to find tons of spots, there are so many productive spots that its crazy.

The same thing happened to Steve with his OTW surf show, the guy was just about hung..and for what? Nothing ever came of it and that spot did not get the pressure eveyone thought it would....there were many times after that that steve and I went there and were alone.

I have shared much with your friend Jonas, I see no one mentioning that...In fact it was acually him who told me first there were fish there because he felt he owed me one I never asked him, he offered it up, as clammer and I hooked him up with live bunker and he caught fish...But to say again, sooner or later we would have ended up there anyway..

Its also plain as day in the OTW shows as to where there fishing and catching, if you film a show you have to fish someplace..This is a subject that has been beaten to death"spot burning" Its gotton way out of hand as if everyone who fishes has a deed to certain areas...Most times you can lead a horse to water but cant make them drink, same goes for fishing....I have told many people where to go ....and it doesnt mean they had luck and know the when where and how...

While I was a guilty of this as anyone in the past(getting mad about spots) I have grown up and realized its an elementry school mentality, just plain childish in every way....Its so old and tired thats its now funny, I am not at all hard to find on the bay...very easy, cant "hide " a boat....its out there in plain site...I dont really care who knows what....its all boils down to the fisherman behind the rod, not the "spot" your in...Last year I pulled up to a spot with several boats tightly grouped...I pulled out a 47 pounder and motered away...those guys caught nothing...so much for being in the right "spot" there is so much more that goes into it...



In the end? its a damn fish....

Hey Bruce? correct me if I am wrong but didnt you acually Charter a certain Captain to learn where he fishes?? The same Captain you are reffering to here? Not that long ago either?

[jkjnp]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

I have shared much with your friend Jonas, I see no one mentioning that...In fact it was acually him who told me first there were fish there because he felt he owed me one I never asked him, he offered it up, as clammer and I hooked him up with live bunker and he caught fish...But to say again, sooner or later we would have ended up there anyway..

How does a guy who only has 40+ posts and is more lurker than anything on this site end up getting thrown in the middle of this?

I have only a couple of things to say-- I certainly have a lot of respect for #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, Clammer, Jim White, and anyone who else who has put as many hours on the bay as they have. Any advice, info they are willing to pass onto me I welcome with open arms. While I do not know many of you guys I would be excited to establish friendships/fish with any and all of you.

I also consider Parker23 a good friend and have gotten to know him over the past two summers--so I can certainly understand his reaction--and I initially had the same one.

However, I can also see the other side--a spot is only a spot. It takes good conditions, the right bait and timing to have an epic day like the one in the video. In this particular case I think the number of people who are able to recognize those spots from the video are relatively few.

The number of people who have access by boat even fewer.

The number of people who will take the time to find the pogies and fish the spot at the right time even fewer.

I could not be where I am today as a fisherman in RI (I have a LONG way to go) without the helping hands of #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, Clammer, or Parker23 and I am grateful.

Jonas

[Rockfish9]

Originally Posted by Canalman

Been there before, well not to the TV show degree. I found a great spring spot, I let a few guys in on it and now it's ballooned out of control. And the funny thing is, they all call it "their" spot now, and some talk about how they've been fishing there for years and bla bla. I still sometimes think... man if I had only kept my F--ing mouth shut!

Live and learn....

Been there done that!

[numbskull]

Finding fish is the most satisfying part of fishing, catching them is the reward you get for the work (and learning) you did finding them. Descending on a spot someone else has identified and using the most effective method of fishing available gets results, but hardly equates with finding the fish on your own and catching them on your terms.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Finding fish is the most satisfying part of fishing, catching them is the reward you get for the work (and learning) you did finding them. Descending on a spot someone else has identified and using the most effective method of fishing available gets results, but hardly equates with finding the fish on your own and catching them on your terms.

Your right 100% correct...But it also shows that using the most effective method is sometimes prudent and also smart


The phiosphy of this me against the world stuff trying to force your will on fish just doesnt work...Unless a fisherman is after nothing but casting practice, the smart guys will usually at some point want results, and the wise fisherman gets results by using that which puts fish in the boat wheather that be plugs or bait ! After awhile the dude casting a plug to no avail starts to look like an idiot when cast after cast he gets nothing while everyone around him is hawking the doors off the fish using bait, all the while this guy trying to force his will on fish who want notrhing to do with his fake offering...thats just the way it is..Thats just ignorance and stupidity, a good fisherman should never close the door to what works..Unless like I said they just like casting practice and burning gass to watch sun rise...Fishing eventually involves catching a fish at some point...maybe I am wrong...Yes its rewarding finding fish on your own, the trick then becomes catching them..

To many people try to make these fish do what they want them to do...it will never happen...Hoever if someone pulls up to a spot I am in and I say "theres nothing here" and he tosses in a live bunker and pulls out a nice bass...I am the one who looks foolish...

Anyway, I have never, ever crammed anyones style, I dont fish peoples spots or horn in on what someone else has found...never have never will...If someone of my frinds tells me and invites me, thats a different story..And even then I usually dont because I have more confidence in my self than anyone else and would rather fish where my instinc tells me to..

[Krispy]

I just swallowed the tip of my tongue and burst a vessel in my eyeball.

I gotta disagree Backbeach. Spot burninga something you just don't do, burning a friend is plain F'd up. Whether u agree or not if it makes a difference there are unspoken rules btwn fishermen that should be respected.

[eelman]

I think things are getting skewed here...To back up a bit, I dont know where this "friends" stuff comes from...Aqauntence at best, saw the guy on the water a few times....But I would not go anywhere to the point of saying friends? In that respect He may be talking about someone who is a close friend of his, I felt maybe it was Jim and I because of the show....I must have been wrong...because while I wish Parker23 no ill will etc....I am certainly not close or good friends with him by anymeans...A wave and a hello at the most? so he is refering to someone else...

As to spot burning, absolutley not, this was a filmed TV show with no mention of spots at all...we fished many different places as I said over the course of a couple days?? it makes no sense? The intention was to do a show fishing bunker , not to show spots, none where mentioned and none were filmed in such a way as to blatently show where they were? so the context here is way off base...

When OTW did the live eels show around the Elizabeths during the day, it was the same thing? I am sure there were people who recognized where they were fishing....Same situation here...No one knows the date the show was filmed, no one knows the tide we fished, no one knows the time of day we fished etc..For all you know we filmed that in 2006 not 2007....these shows air many many months after they were shot..

Our show has been on the air almost a year now...Its just as any other fishing show...So I dont think you can at all look at that show as a spot burning show at all, if you did then every single show that has fishing should be looked upon the same way! This show has been seen by many people on Cox 3, no one single bad thing has been said about it at all, there have been no backlashes of any kind, there has been no influx of boats at any of the areas we fished....in fact it has been the opisite! I cant explain it any better exept to say everyone needs to sit back and realize what this is, it was not an article on X marks the spot...It was an entertaining local television show meant just for that entertainment...I swear some people look desparatly for the stinger in the honey

He looked at it as a show directly pointing him out and burning his spot...It wasnt , it was a show where we fished multiple spots to come up with a half hour of good fishing...This thread is way off base and spot burning has nothing to do with it..Just because he notced a few seconds of a spot he knows in the show...the odds of that are good, I have certainly sen many shows that had places I fish or have fished in them? I have never taken it that personal...

Any resonable intelligent adult can see that..While this thread is going off the spot burning direction, it shouldent, it has nothing to do with that at all..

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

I think things are getting skewed here...To back up a bit, I dont know where this "friends" stuff comes from...Aqauntence at best, saw the guy on the water a few times....But I would not go anywhere to the point of saying friends? In that respect He may be talking about someone who is a close friend of his, I felt maybe it was Jim and I because of the show....I must have been wrong...because while I wish Parker23 no ill will etc....I am certainly not close or good friends with him by anymeans...A wave and a hello at the most? so he is refering to someone else...

As to spot burning, absolutley not, this was a filmed TV show with no mention of spots at all...we fished many different places as I said over the course of a couple days?? it makes no sense? The intention was to do a show fishing bunker , not to show spots, none where mentioned and none were filmed in such a way as to blatently show where they were? so the context here is way off base...

When OTW did the live eels show around the Elizabeths during the day, it was the same thing? I am sure there were people who recognized where they were fishing....Same situation here...

Our show has been on the air almost a year now...Its just as any other fishing show...So I dont think you can at all look at that show as a spot burning show at all, if you did then every single show that has fishing should be looked upon the same way!

He looked at it as a show directly pointing him out and burning his spot...It wasnt , it was a show where we fished multiple spots to come up with a half hour of good fishing...This thread is way off base and spot burning has nothing to do with it..

I think parker is more pissed that you capitalized off of his info and for what its worth i couldnt tell where you guys were at from watching the clip.

Its winter.. but this is a lesson to be learned. I remember you flying off the handle at me fishing with a friend 'in your cove'.. its all silly.

[HESH2]

spots get burnt all the time,just read otw thurs reports from the tackle shops or other publications,reports may be a week old but some are still on.found a spot friend told me about last month near his home and he was catching,went there and fished a few times then had a hard time finding a parking place.spot was burned bye alot of people.think back when frankie d published 100 best striper spots,alot of spot burning.but #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& says it like it is,you still gotta find the fish then catch them.most of the spots are already known.

[eastendlu]

I know all of Timbers spots and i'm making maps with big X's on them.So you too can catch large just mail me a check for 1,000,000.00 Dollars and i'll send map priority mail.

[Back Beach]

Originally Posted by Krispy

I gotta disagree Backbeach. Spot burninga something you just don't do, burning a friend is plain F'd up. Whether u agree or not if it makes a difference there are unspoken rules btwn fishermen that should be respected.

I do agree with that statement.
My point is what comes around goes around. Sometimes you're the provider of the info, sometimes you're the recipient.Sometimes neither. Obviously some info should never be passed on to strangers or to people who don't reciprocate. When people lay claim to a spot and declare ownership it makes me laugh though. The pilgrims would be bull%$%$%$%$ if they knew this stuff was happening.




"Don't tell anyone about this rock!"

[ThrowingTimber]

Originally Posted by Back Beach

The pilgrims would be bull%$%$%$%$ if they knew this stuff was happening.

Thats a good one

[Krispy]

Originally Posted by Back Beach

I do agree with that statement.
My point is what comes around goes around. Sometimes you're the provider of the info, sometimes you're the recipient.Sometimes neither. Obviously some info should never be passed on to strangers or to people who don't reciprocate. When people lay claim to a spot and declare ownership it makes me laugh though. The pilgrims would be bull%$%$%$%$ if they knew this stuff was happening.




"Don't tell anyone about this rock!"

Nice, thats why I let you drive