Interesting

[Nebe]

Of course Iraq is fine now. We gotta go into Iran next..You guys haven't got the memo yet? Iraq is fine just fine.. nothing to see here folks move along.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Of course Iraq is fine now. We gotta go into Iran next..You guys haven't got the memo yet? Iraq is fine just fine.. nothing to see here folks move along.

We can all hope it doesn't get to the point we have to go into Iran. I'm sure Obama can talk them out of their nukes. But if he doesn't and Iran starts a nuclear war in the mid east you will blame Bush for not doing enough. It's sad that the Dems have positioned there party as, whats bad for America is good for the Democrats.

[Nebe]

Do you really think anyone would start a nuclear war? Nukes are tools of fear and bartering chips.. nothing more. In the dark ages, Man created gods to make 'the people' live in fear so they could be easily controled... in todays age we live in fear of nuclear war.. It will never happen.. the losses are too great.

We need to get our asses out of the middle east, let isreal take care of themselves and stop s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g off the tit of foreign oil and have a self sustaining energy policy. Who ever is thinking like that is going to get my vote

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Do you really think anyone would start a nuclear war? Nukes are tools of fear and bartering chips.. nothing more. In the dark ages, Man created gods to make 'the people' live in fear so they could be easily controled... in todays age we live in fear of nuclear war.. It will never happen.. the losses are too great.

We need to get our asses out of the middle east, let isreal take care of themselves and stop s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g off the tit of foreign oil and have a self sustaining energy policy. Who ever is thinking like that is going to get my vote

No, these are rational terrorist we have here.But if your wrong....

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

No, these are rational terrorist we have here.But if your wrong....

Perhaps the single largest mistake we could make, and one the Bush Admin has been making since 9/11, is to assume that terrorists must be irrational.

I guess it's a lot easier to just say they hate us for our freedom, sure it makes zero sense, but it's so easy for the electorate to process.

-spence

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Do you really think anyone would start a nuclear war? Nukes are tools of fear and bartering chips.. nothing more. In the dark ages, Man created gods to make 'the people' live in fear so they could be easily controled... in todays age we live in fear of nuclear war.. It will never happen.. the losses are too great.

Don't like to get into this crap but I gotta say this: Are ya nuts?

When you believe god gives you permission...anything is possible.ANYTHING.Tools of fear you say but won't ever be used?This isn't the cold war.These people don't fear nuclear war,if anything they may very well may be living for it.Give a jihadist a nuke and the means to deliver it and he WILL use it.Losses don't matter to these people.Dark ages...the middleast is living theirs' right now.

Nebe I like and respect you but your statement is without a doubt one of the most naive ever made.Ever.You would try to tell me that if Al-Queda,Hamas etc. got a hold of a viable nuclear warhead and the means to deliver it that they would not use it out of fear of nuclear war?If you expect me to believe that you are nuts bro.And I only say nuts if that's what you expect me to believe.

I would end this with the statement that I don't base my beliefs on politics in any way shape or form but simply on an open-eye,realistic view of our planet and its people.

[spence]

Originally Posted by basswipe

When you believe god gives you permission...anything is possible.ANYTHING.

Do you have any doubt at all that our own President Bush doesn't feel he's sanctioned by "his God" to strike out against terrorisim?

Even if you discount the second hand witness to his more wacky statements, what's on the public record is clear enough to me.

Tools of fear you say but won't ever be used?This isn't the cold war.These people don't fear nuclear war,if anything they may very well may be living for it.Give a jihadist a nuke and the means to deliver it and he WILL use it.

Any yet there are no jihadist who have the means to build or probably even acquire a nuke.

The countries who do have them are completely deterred by MAD, as they know they would be on a short list for the USA to render them unto glass.

More likely would be a nuclear Iran going after Saudia Arabia...the divisions between Islamic sects are much deeper than against the West.

In the end, they are all in it for themselves, and the world will certainly suffer. But I think the proposition of a sneak nuke attack against the US pretty remote.

-spence

[Nebe]

I call it like I see it basswipe. I will say this- if this country continues on the same course of diplomacy by means of force, the chances of a mushroom cloud are much higher.

One must look into why they hate us. Then dissect the reasons. from there we must change. If not the rest of the world will continue to look at us like a crack pot nation run by a crazed madman.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I call it like I see it basswipe. I will say this- if this country continues on the same course of diplomacy by means of force, the chances of a mushroom cloud are much higher.

One must look into why they hate us. Then dissect the reasons. from there we must change. If not the rest of the world will continue to look at us like a crack pot nation run by a crazed madman.

Nebe, If I hate you, is that your fault or my problem. Would you change your thinking so I would like you? I didn't think so. We will always be hated as long as we are top dog. It's human nature. The world likes us when it's convenient for them. If we leave the Middle East all hell will break loose and the world will say we abandoned Iraq.

[slapshot]

Originally Posted by Nebe

One must look into why they hate us. Then dissect the reasons. from there we must change.

Thank God your party lacks a viable candidate.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Do you have any doubt at all that our own President Bush doesn't feel he's sanctioned by "his God" to strike out against terrorisim?

Even if you discount the second hand witness to his more wacky statements, what's on the public record is clear enough to me.


Any yet there are no jihadist who have the means to build or probably even acquire a nuke.

The countries who do have them are completely deterred by MAD, as they know they would be on a short list for the USA to render them unto glass.

More likely would be a nuclear Iran going after Saudia Arabia...the divisions between Islamic sects are much deeper than against the West.

In the end, they are all in it for themselves, and the world will certainly suffer. But I think the proposition of a sneak nuke attack against the US pretty remote.

-spence

I would say N Korea does not care about Mad. And it will happen, by a terrorist group, maybe a dirty bomb, but it will happen. And then some of you will say we deserved it. Pathetic.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

I would say N Korea does not care about Mad. And it will happen, by a terrorist group, maybe a dirty bomb, but it will happen. And then some of you will say we deserved it. Pathetic.

Kim Jong-il has but one objective...survival.

To sell a nuclear weapon is the fastest way for him to not meet that objective. To sell a nuclear weapon and have it used against the West would give NATO the rights to remove N Korea from the map.

And a "dirty bomb" isn't a nuke so please don't try to confuse the two.

I love the "blame ourselves" mantra. Instead perhaps I should shove my own head so far up my own ass that the smell becomes so second nature that I'll convince myself that my %$%$%$%$ doesn't indeed stink.

This will eliminate any unecessary introspection that could better my behavior, because we're on a mission from God to get "them".

-spence