girl solo sailor epibs went off this AM

[Jim in CT]

Likwid...

"I'm glad I never had anyone in my life like you telling me "you can't do that, thats too risky,"

Did you have parents? Do you have kids (God I hope not)?

"So how much time did you spend with Abby offshore in the Open 40 determining she's not capable of this then?"

I spent exactly zero time with her. But I know that there's great reasons why 16 year-olds can't even drive a car in many states without adult supervision. I know that 16 year-olds aren't allowed to drink or even vote. Because they aren't developed enough, aren't mature enough, to make those kinds of decisions.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Did you have parents?

I was raised by an angry group of bowmen known as the bowmen's union. By the time I was 5 I was being chased by pro ho's. At 6 I scaled by hand my first 100+ foot rig in the middle of a gale to retrieve a halyard. By 12 they unveiled the ancient scripts from NYYC saying the one with the monkey feet would be the herald of the bowmen, which was me.

Ask Nebe, he'll vouch.

I was raised by extremely accomplished offshore sailors. My mother has more miles than most Navy folks will ever have.

Do you have kids (God I hope not)?

They would certainly get in the way of fishin and sailin.

I spent exactly zero time with her. But I know that there's great reasons why 16 year-olds can't even drive a car in many states without adult supervision. I know that 16 year-olds aren't allowed to drink or even vote. Because they aren't developed enough, aren't mature enough, to make those kinds of decisions.

So tell me what voting, drinking, or driving a car has to do with sailing solo? Other than absolutely NOTHING.

I'm sure you're a great dad and your kids love you, but don't ever tell anyone else what they can or can't do or what their kids can or can't do. They just might do it anyhow and make you look bad.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

OK, so you're saying parents are never justified in saying "no" to teenagers because what they want is too risky...that's what you're seriously saying?

Lets put this bluntly.
You have exactly zero knowledge of what it takes to sail offshore solo.
You have exactly zero knowledge of this kid's background.

You have no right to judge her or the parents.

[Jim in CT]

Likwid...

"So tell me what voting, drinking, or driving a car has to do with sailing solo? Other than absolutely NOTHING."

Wrong. Those things (to do them safely and knowledgably) all require experience, maturity, wisdom, and the ability to understand the consequences of decisions.

"You have exactly zero knowledge of what it takes to sail offshore solo."

In terms of technical ability and seamenship, you are 100% correct in your assessment.

"You have exactly zero knowledge of this kid's background."

I assume (don't know for sure) she has spent an awful lot of time on the water. And I know for damn sure her parents are morons.

"You have no right to judge her or the parents"

Sorry, in your first post you called me "ignorant" and "stupid". So naturally I assumed that you were comfortable in judging others. I guessed I missed the announcement that you, and only you, were qualified to judge others.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Wrong. Those things (to do them safely and knowledgably) all require experience, maturity, wisdom, and the ability to understand the consequences of decisions.

Better go after basically every european family in the world who serves their kids wine at dinner!
Better go after countries with lower drinking ages too! Obviously they're all ignorant and their children are not 'mature' enough to do those things!

Sorry, in your first post you called me "ignorant" and "stupid". So naturally I assumed that you were comfortable in judging others. I guessed I missed the announcement that you, and only you, were qualified to judge others.

Ignorant was making blanket statements with zero knowledge of the boat, girl, or parents.

Ignorant is making blanket statements about what people can or can't do.

I see nobody has realized that she was being routed by professional weather routers. (Commanders, I'm sure NF is familiar with them. I personally hate them and think they're awful, but to each their own.) She was not making course decisions.

But I suppose you'd actually have to research and educate yourself on her attempt to know that.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

Better go after basically every european family in the world who serves their kids wine at dinner!
Better go after countries with lower drinking ages too! Obviously they're all ignorant and their children are not 'mature' enough to do those things!



Ignorant was making blanket statements with zero knowledge of the boat, girl, or parents.

Ignorant is making blanket statements about what people can or can't do.

I see nobody has realized that she was being routed by professional weather routers. (Commanders, I'm sure NF is familiar with them. I personally hate them and think they're awful, but to each their own.) She was not making course decisions.

But I suppose you'd actually have to research and educate yourself on her attempt to know that.

Likwid...

"Better go after basically every european family in the world who serves their kids wine at dinner!"

If they give the kids unsupervised access to the liquor cabinet, OK, I'll do that...

I stated previously that I've let my teenager drink wine a few times. I don't let her decide when she can drink, or how much she can drink, or whether or not she can drive after she drinks. I get to decide that. Adults and kids have different decision-making abilities, but not to you I guess.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Likwid...

"Better go after basically every european family in the world who serves their kids wine at dinner!"

If they give the kids unsupervised access to the liquor cabinet, OK, I'll do that...

I stated previously that I've let my teenager drink wine a few times. I don't let her decide when she can drink, or how much she can drink, or whether or not she can drive after she drinks. I get to decide that. Adults and kids have different decision-making abilities, but not to you I guess.

Do you lock your liquor cabinet in fear of your children?
If so, you did something wrong.