Some good fish South..

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by numbskull

I think you are wrong, and just like your error about large striped bass not breeding I suspect the above is just more self-deluded rationalization. Actually it is likely worse, because it encourages people not to believe the multi-state guidelines against eating excessive contaminated striped bass.

As I understand it (and I am no expert) those guidelines are based on the average toxin levels in the FLESH of a number of fish. Keep in mind that some fish are many times above the average level. Furthermore, the average is likely (I have no proof) skewed by measuring small fish, since toxins accumulate over the life of fish and tend to be higher in larger fish. Perhaps you meant they grind up an entire FILLET...and maybe that is true....but the assumption that all the toxins are in the dark meat is careless and misleadingly dangerous unless you have an actual reference to support this assumption. If you do, please share it.

If you have children or your wife is pregnant, don't feed them striped bass.
If you like to eat it and are not pregant then feel free to enjoy 1-2 meals a month.
Takes a long time to eat a 40 lb bass at that rate. Maybe it is smarter to let it go to breed and make lots of smaller fish that are safer to eat?

Thats not an assumption... That is directly from a marine biologist... Maybe you can share with us how YOU think they take these samples?? Let me guess, they catch the fish, (on a plug with barbless hooks), cut a small sample,(where it doesnt hurt the fish), patch her up, and spend 15-20 min reviving the happy fish to let her go in the wild so somebody else can catch and release it!??? I never did say that 50+" NEVER Spawn...

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

Thats not an assumption... That is directly from a marine biologist... Maybe you can share with us how YOU think they take these samples??.

Go ask him again and try to listen to what he says, not to what you want to hear.

If you think they put 40lb fish in blenders to get a 1 gram flesh sample (as apparently you do!) you are indeed clueless.

What I suspect they do is cut a small flesh sample from each fish rack and send it to a lab that then grinds the sample (not the whole fish!), weighs it, then runs their analysis on it.

Anything else would require very large blenders and very large shipping costs, for no scientific reason whatsoever, and I do not believe on your authority that this happens.

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Go ask him again and try to listen to what he says, not to what you want to hear.

If you think they put 40lb fish in blenders to get a 1 gram flesh sample (as apparently you do!) you are indeed clueless.

What I suspect they do is cut a small flesh sample from each fish rack and send it to a lab that then grinds the sample (not the whole fish!), weighs it, then runs their analysis on it.

Anything else would require very large blenders and very large shipping costs, for no scientific reason whatsoever, and I do not believe on your authority that this happens.

What U suspect?? I know the answer... You obviously want the answer what YOU think it should be. I pay attention to every detail. I just talked to him 3 days ago after he weighed and measured my fish for studies. They take the fish in its ENTIRETY and grind it up and then they may take a 1 gram or so sample out of it,, (I did not ask what the exact amount was), I know its not what you want to hear.... how dare they right?
You think everyone just tosses the rack of a bass? Many people, restaurants dont just fillet a fish and toss the rack in the trash. They use every bit of that fish, belly meat? Fish head soup? Smoked cheeks? People even eat the skin...Who are you kidding? You should send them a letter or maybe call them and tell them what you think should be the proper way to obtain these samples.. What parts of the fish they should pick and choose, and where these toxins, pcb's are greatest in a striped bass... Also lecture them that they dont have big enough blenders???

You are SOOOO WRONG

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

What U suspect?? I know the answer... You obviously want the answer what YOU think it should be. .........blah, blah, blah

You are WRONG

Perhaps, wouldn't surprise me in the least, I often am. I can check easy enough and will let you know.

But you, my loud friend, are also are wrong. Large fish are an important part of the breeding population and striped bass carry toxins that are dangerous to eat (as to what part of the fish is clean you have provided no information, just self-serving conjecture).

So, can YOU admit you are wrong as well?

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Perhaps, wouldn't surprise me in the least, I often am. I can check easy enough and will let you know.

But you, my loud friend, are also are wrong. Large fish are an important part of the breeding population and striped bass carry toxins that are dangerous to eat (as to what part of the fish is clean you have provided no information, just self-serving conjecture).

So, can YOU admit you are wrong as well?

I am not a scientist, marine biologist... This is what I was told, this is the process and the best way to get an overall reading. I know youd like to, but you cant go and tell people what parts of the fish, if any they should eat. I am sure they also singled out different parts of the fish to see where the highest levels are that why he said the majority of it is in the head, fat, blood lines of the fish... I trim my fillets and eat the white meat only...

Agian, I NEVER SAID large fish arent an important part of the breeding population... Just like in any animal they have a life span and will eventually die... They are not the PRIME breeders of the species and do not spawn every single year once they reach a certain age...

You know drinking out of plastic bottles may cause cancer too?? Why eat or drink anything? You eat Organic Foods Only???


Wrong? All I did was post a picture and you guys jumped all over me.... You think that gives me more of an incentive to release these fish?

[numbskull]

Well, Ken, add another mistake to your list.

I called the MA state Dept of Public health and was connected to the head of the food lab.

State fisheries (ie the DMF) will grind up a whole fish when they want to investigate total toxin burden in the fish for fish biology reasons. This process (and the DMF itself) has NOTHING to do with testing for toxins that are harmful for human consumption.

That testing is done by the state DPH and the FDA. Unless the fish is eaten whole...such as anchovies....the policy is to fillet the fish, homogenize the fillet, and test only the edible flesh.

Now I realize that some people with really big mouths may eat 40lb bass whole, but it is not the standard practice so the DPH and FDA do not test fish that way.

I hope you find this helpful and cease spreading misinformation that will give people a false sense of security when they eat striped bass.