Anyone following what's going on in Wisconsin?

[scottw]

that's Obama math....total compensation per teacher..let's use Wisconsin..is between 90-100k, I suspect that it is quite a bit higher in other areas...somehow the benefits etc always get left out of the earnings figures...arguing that teachers don't make enough money or that they shouldn't have to contribute tiny amounts like 12.6% of their healthcare premiums has really lost any merit...

don't mind highly paid teachers as long as they are deserving, the system provided by the union makes it impossible to get rid of bad teachers, a crappy teacher is as highly paid as an exceptional teacher simply because of longevity, you can't move in good new teachers because others have been gumming up the works longer and when they finally decide to go they have to be supported for life....I mentioned before my wife is a teacher(non-union) my parents were teachers and I know a ton of teachers..I get it...I guess private school teachers are really getting screwed by the man using your analogy....if the NJ cost per pupil is 17k+ a year...

I'd be willing to bet that the good, quality teachers are sitting home watching this disgusted and wishing they could get back to their students and have an actual grasp of the reality of the situation...the crappy teachers are the ones holding the misspelled protest signs, the offensive slurs locked arm in arm with union thugs, Jesse Jackson and the various communist, marxist and other radical leftist perpetual protest brigade

oh, my daughter came home for school the other day and told me that for gym the teacher put a Taebow(sp) tape in and that was the class...babysitting at it's best probably has his Masters and everything

[Fly Rod]

I basically agree with the legislators but, it is wrong for them to exclude the firemen, local police and state police. It should be done across the board.

Why are they excluded? They voted for the governor.

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

I basically agree with the legislators but, it is wrong for them to exclude the firemen, local police and state police. It should be done across the board.

Why are they excluded? They voted for the governor.

and paid into the war chest

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

I basically agree with the legislators but, it is wrong for them to exclude the firemen, local police and state police. It should be done across the board.

Why are they excluded? They voted for the governor.

Since ballots are secret, nobody knows who the firemen and policemen voted for. There is, on record, that out of the 314 police and firefighter unions in the State only FOUR endorsed him. The rest supported his opponent.

I think that I recall his rationale for not including the police and fire workers in the cuts is that he knew there would be resistance and possible strikes and blue flue type of reasons not to show up for work, and that their service was too critical to have that happen. May be a lame reason, don't know, but the reason is not because the police and fire workers supported him.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Since ballots are secret, nobody knows who the firemen and policemen voted for. There is, on record, that out of the 314 police and firefighter unions in the State only FOUR endorsed him. The rest supported his opponent.

I think that I recall his rationale for not including the police and fire workers in the cuts is that he knew there would be resistance and possible strikes and blue flue type of reasons not to show up for work, and that their service was too critical to have that happen. May be a lame reason, don't know, but the reason is not because the police and fire workers supported him.

Anyway, it is wrong to exclude them. "What's good for the goose is good for the gander."

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Anyway, it is wrong to exclude them. "What's good for the goose is good for the gander."

no argument there, maybe they needed the p&f to deal with the protesters, get this done and then tell the p&f unions that they need to make similar concessions.....after the others have finally accepted reality the pressure on those remaining would/will be tremendous...probably didn't want teachers, police and fire all calling in sick at the same time...

[TheSpecialist]

This makes interesting reading...


Are Wisconsin Public Employees Over-compensated?

Seems they are not making the money some are saying, even with benefits factored in. They pay 6% of their healthcare cost to.


Public workers by the numbers

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

They pay 6% of their healthcare cost to.


Public workers by the numbers

And the taxpayers that pay them pay, on average, 30% of their healthcare premiums, and they don't have pensions...
No reason why the benefits that labor unions negotiate should be that much richer than what's available to everyone else, is there?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

This makes interesting reading...


Are Wisconsin Public Employees Over-compensated?

Seems they are not making the money some are saying, even with benefits factored in. They pay 6% of their healthcare cost to.


Public workers by the numbers

very interesting reading.....

•02/15/11 - Wisconsin public versus private employee costs: Why compare apples to oranges?
•02/10/11 - Are Indiana Public Employees Over-compensated?
•02/10/11 - Are Wisconsin Public Employees Over-compensated?
•02/10/11 - Are Ohio Public Employees Over-compensated?
•02/03/11 - Are Michigan Public Employees Over-compensated?
•09/15/10 - Debunking the Myth of the Over-compensated Public Employee
•07/30/10 - Are New Jersey Public Employees Overpaid?


no theme there

you understand that they are not paying 6% of their healthcare costs...right?...6% of the insurance premium..maybe...but not 6% of healthcare cost...there's a difference that seems to be lost in the fog...it's the entitlement thing...if you'd ever actually had to pay your actual healthcare costs or high deductibles out of pocket you'd recognize the difference immediately