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11-16-2021, 07:22 PM
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If I saw an active shooter who had killed two people and I was armed and he was in front of me I would have shot Kyle.
That guy who had the guns mistake was he failed to pull the trigger.
It would have been self defense, the kid had already killed two other people.
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So, without knowing why he was being chased, nor why he defended himself from the attackers, you would have shot him? Judge, jury, and executioner? From the prejudicial, biased, and often hateful comments you make, that's not surprising.
And, given all the facts revealed in this trial, you think you would have been exonerated as acting in self defense?
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11-16-2021, 07:25 PM
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So, without knowing why he was being chased, nor why he defended himself from the attackers, you would have shot him? Judge, jury, and executioner? From the prejudicial, biased, and often hateful comments you make, that's not surprising.
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Why else would you bring a gun?
To administer first aid?
Isn’t a gun the NRA way?
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11-16-2021, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
If I saw an active shooter who had killed two people and I was armed and he was in front of me I would have shot Kyle.
That guy who had the guns mistake was he failed to pull the trigger.
It would have been self defense, the kid had already killed two other people.
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sure you would Pete. sure you would.
what you described is retaliation, not self defense. not unless you had a reason to believe you were next.
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11-16-2021, 07:27 PM
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sure you would Pete. sure you would.
what you described is retaliation, not self defense. not unless you had a reason to believe you were next.
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Just saving the next victim.
Kyle will likely try to kill again
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11-16-2021, 05:28 PM
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According to the right - Ashli Babbitt should not have been killed as a rioter while breaking into the Speakers' Lobby at the Capitol
Yet, Kyle Rittenhouse is hailed as a hero for killing rioters
Question: If Rittenhouse were at the Capitol on 1/6, would he have shot Babbitt?
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"Ashli Babbitt should not have been killed as a rioter while breaking into the Speakers' Lobby at the Capitol"
Whose life did Ashley Babbitt put in imminent danger?
"Kyle Rittenhouse is hailed as a hero for killing rioters "
Who said this?
Loosen the straps on the tin foil hat, buddy.
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11-16-2021, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"Ashli Babbitt should not have been killed as a rioter while breaking into the Speakers' Lobby at the Capitol"
Whose life did Ashley Babbitt put in imminent danger?
"Kyle Rittenhouse is hailed as a hero for killing rioters "
Who said this?
Loosen the straps on the tin foil hat, buddy.
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So in that case, the officer of the law should have assumed that the perp was unarmed.
But in Kyle’s case the unarmed guys who were “scaring” him were unarmed and he shot two of them.
Who’s got a tinfoil hat on?
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11-17-2021, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"Ashli Babbitt should not have been killed as a rioter while breaking into the Speakers' Lobby at the Capitol"
Whose life did Ashley Babbitt put in imminent danger?
"Kyle Rittenhouse is hailed as a hero for killing rioters "
Who said this?
Loosen the straps on the tin foil hat, buddy.
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Whose life did Ashley Babbitt put in imminent danger?
Jim you can’t have if it both ways upset when one of your MAGA hero’s is shot
By a trained police officer who felt the threat was reasonable
But demand it reasonable that a child shoots a man 4 times who threw a empty trash bag at him ? Who injected himself into the chaos
We’re the people who chased down the jogger justified when he grab their gun . To claim self defense ..?
This Wild West mentality of conservatives seems only acceptable if the shooter support their ideas .. Kyle is just what Trump and his followers wanted to mobilize in Kenosha and in Portland..and across the United States all they got was a child until they lost the election then the rest decided to make an appearance
I have no dog in this fight the jury will decide .. and that’s that
I may agree or disagree with the verdict. But that’s how our system of justice works..
And I expect to see the usual comments from both sides blaming something or someone when they decide
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11-17-2021, 07:24 AM
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i’m proud to be disconnected from most of what’s current and mainstream. You can keep most of what you’d call current and mainstream.
As I’ve said you’ve been radicalized by the the honey poured in your ear from you sources and inbox .. far from the free thinker you attempt to present yourself as.. you spew the most Hate on this site … you get upset because your endless posts get push back .. and that upsetting you think every response is just about you your myopic unable to see the larger conversations going on in the nation …. I acknowledge I never been able to convey my thoughts on papers I suck at it.. However I don’t try to see the world as I wish it was.. I see the world as it .. because I’ve actually seen the the world to include the good bad and the ugly . And that’s served me better than a A in creative writing
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11-17-2021, 07:56 AM
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As I’ve said you’ve been radicalized by the the honey poured in your ear from you sources and inbox .. far from the free thinker you attempt to present yourself as.. you spew the most Hate on this site … you get upset because your endless posts get push back .. and that upsetting you think every response is just about you your myopic unable to see the larger conversations going on in the nation …. I acknowledge I never been able to convey my thoughts on papers I suck at it.. However I don’t try to see the world as I wish it was.. I see the world as it .. because I’ve actually seen the the world to include the good bad and the ugly . And that’s served me better than a A in creative writing
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"As I’ve said you’ve been radicalized"
Right, the one who can praise and criticize both sides is the radical, not the one who refuses to ever concede the other side can ever have a good point on anything.
"you spew the most Hate on this site"
Nonsense, I respond to vileness after someone else engages in it.
"you get upset because your endless posts get push back"
Nonsense, I respond when you claim I said something I never came close to saying. You and Pete do it every day.
"I see the world as it is"
Seriously? You keep saying that Rittenhouse is my hero, and that I condone everything he did. "See the world as it is"? Wayne, you can't get through a single thread without completely lying about what it is that conservatives say.
You said maybe a month ago that Republicans are incapable of doing anything for other Americans. I believe that you sincerely believe that. And it's stupid, it's demonstrably false. The data show that there is very little difference in generosity between conservatives and liberals, and to the extent there is a difference, it suggests conservatives are more charitable, even though they have lower average incomes.
You see the world as CNN tells you it is. That's a far, far cry from seeing the world as it is.
We'd get along great if you could just respond to what I actually say, rather than accusing me of being a Trumplican who thinks Rittenhouse is a hero and all the other nonsensical craziness you claim that I say.
Sincerely, have a great day. Beautiful day today. Taking my golden for a long walk.
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11-17-2021, 08:00 AM
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i’m proud to be disconnected
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11-17-2021, 08:01 AM
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As I’ve said you’ve been radicalized by the the honey poured in your ear from you sources and inbox .. far from the free thinker you attempt to present yourself as..
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have you looked in the mirror?
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11-17-2021, 09:08 AM
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i’m proud to be disconnected from most of what’s current and mainstream. You can keep most of what you’d call current and mainstream.
As I’ve said you’ve been radicalized by the the honey poured in your ear from you sources and inbox .. far from the free thinker you attempt to present yourself as.. you spew the most Hate on this site … you get upset because your endless posts get push back .. and that upsetting you think every response is just about you your myopic unable to see the larger conversations going on in the nation …. I acknowledge I never been able to convey my thoughts on papers I suck at it.. However I don’t try to see the world as I wish it was.. I see the world as it .. because I’ve actually seen the the world to include the good bad and the ugly . And that’s served me better than a A in creative writing
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Glad to see you’ve abandoned the sarcasm and went back to your nonsensical ramblings.
You do you, know your limitations
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11-18-2021, 10:02 AM
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Funny how the fake media makes up lies like the kid crossed state lines with the gun & should never have been in Kenosha.
Turns out his father lives there, the kid is there all the time as well as where his mother lives.
The gun was also stored at his fathers house.
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11-18-2021, 07:52 PM
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Matt Gaetz wants to hire Kyle Rittenhouse as a congressional intern.
I'm pretty sure that Matt Gaetz is looking for a wingman to find teenage girls, not an intern.
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11-18-2021, 08:19 PM
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Matt Gaetz wants to hire Kyle Rittenhouse as a congressional intern.
I'm pretty sure that Matt Gaetz is looking for a wingman to find teenage girls, not an intern.
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Not that it matters much to me, but I hope you're not as nasty outside this forum as you are in it.
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11-20-2021, 02:36 PM
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Matt Gaetz wants to hire Kyle Rittenhouse as a congressional intern.
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He’s got competition with his douchebag in crime Gosar.
It’s pretty sickening, kid obtains a firearm illegally, uses it in display of mind-bending reckless manner, kills people and they want to celebrate him as a hero. Just because he was acquitted of federal charges doesn’t mean he’s not a lessen for what wrong looks like.
Looks like civil charges are likely.
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11-20-2021, 03:41 PM
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He’s got competition with his douchebag in crime Gosar.
It’s pretty sickening, kid obtains a firearm illegally, uses it in display of mind-bending reckless manner, kills people and they want to celebrate him as a hero. Just because he was acquitted of federal charges doesn’t mean he’s not a lessen for what wrong looks like.
Looks like civil charges are likely.
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you talking about rittenhouse? that’s so off, it’s hard to tell? what federal charges? what laws were broken to obtain the firearm?
he’s no hero. but he is a victim of your sides deranged slander cartel, and he’s going to be win a ton in defamation suits. but you say no, and obviously you know
more than alan dershowitz on the subject of tort law. you’re never stupidly wrong
if you’re not talking about rittenhouse, and again your points were so wrong on the rittenhouse facts you may not have been, i apologize
if you were talking about rittenhouse TDF was correct to ask if you are the dictionary definition of wrong.
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11-20-2021, 04:40 PM
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you talking about rittenhouse? that’s so off, it’s hard to tell? what federal charges? what laws were broken to obtain the firearm?
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Meant felony charges. His firearm was purchased through a straw man because he wasn’t old enough at the time. I believe that trial begins soon and his buddy may be in deep do do.
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11-20-2021, 05:02 PM
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Meant felony charges. His firearm was purchased through a straw man because he wasn’t old enough at the time. I believe that trial begins soon and his buddy may be in deep do do.
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Grabbing at straws
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11-20-2021, 05:04 PM
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Just because he was acquitted of federal charges doesn’t mean he’s not a lessen for what wrong looks like.
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Your posts are what wrong looks like
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11-20-2021, 05:45 PM
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Your posts are what wrong looks like
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rittenhouse is going to have to build a bank to put the proceeds from his libel suits. they wanted to win a presidential
we too. so badly, they were going to smear this kid to the point where it jeopardizes his entire life. and they’re going to answer for it this time.
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11-20-2021, 05:52 PM
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rittenhouse is going to have to build a bank to put the proceeds from his libel suits. they wanted to win a presidential
we too. so badly, they were going to smear this kid to the point where it jeopardizes his entire life. and they’re going to answer for it this time.
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Who is he going to sue for libel???
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11-22-2021, 09:37 AM
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I saw this on Newsmax. And it sums up the GOP and their response to this trial
“But an acquittal does not make a foolish man a hero. A political movement that turns a deadly and ineffective vigilante into a role model is a movement that is courting more violence and encouraging more young men to recklessly brandish weapons in dangerous places, and that will spill more blood in America’s streets.”
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11-22-2021, 10:26 AM
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I saw this on Newsmax. And it sums up the GOP and their response to this trial
“But an acquittal does not make a foolish man a hero. A political movement that turns a deadly and ineffective vigilante into a role model is a movement that is courting more violence and encouraging more young men to recklessly brandish weapons in dangerous places, and that will spill more blood in America’s streets.”
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yes the entire gop is telling 17 year olds everywhere to charge into riots with ar-15s. that’s what we’re all saying.
and no prominent democrats did anything to support the violent rioters hat whole summer wayne?
you have no problem with riots that resulted in actual murders, god knows how many billions in property damage, with sometimes explicit encouragement from prominent democrats. chris cuomo said on national tv, “show me where it says protests have to be peaceful?”. ( hey dummy, it says exactly that in every criminal code ever written).
none of that concerns you at all.
most republicans aren’t celebrating what rittenhouse did ( defending it, isn’t celebrating it). what we are celebrating, is the relief we felt at knowing that our system of justice stood up to your sides baseless, horribly dishonest, liberal bloodlust aimed at a child.
your side humiliated themselves again, and they never deserved it more than with what they tried to do to this kid. they will pay. they’ll pay in civil court, and they’ll pay at the polls. you showed america what you’re capable of. let’s see how america responds. recent polling seems to be consistently saying that america doesn’t like whet it’s seeing.
a guy who you aren’t threatening in
any way, points a gun at your face from 5 feet away, and that’s not self defense? we have to have that conversation? seriously?
a guy who says “i’m going to kill you” and tries to wrestle your gun away from you, and you’ve done absolutely nothing to that guy, and that’s not a threat wayne?
what bothers me is the guy with the skateboard. he may have actually thought he was trying to subdue a murderer. his motives may have been decent. but when you look at it from rittenhouses perspective, it’s still clearly self defense.
that’s why riots are bad, and encouraging rioters for political gain, is also dangerous.
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11-22-2021, 11:06 AM
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yes the entire gop is telling 17 year olds everywhere to charge into riots with ar-15s. that’s what we’re all saying.
and no prominent democrats did anything to support the violent rioters hat whole summer wayne?
you have no problem with riots that resulted in actual murders, god knows how many billions in property damage, with sometimes explicit encouragement from prominent democrats. chris cuomo said on national tv, “show me where it says protests have to be peaceful?”. ( hey dummy, it says exactly that in every criminal code ever written).
none of that concerns you at all.
most republicans aren’t celebrating what rittenhouse did ( defending it, isn’t celebrating it). what we are celebrating, is the relief we felt at knowing that our system of justice stood up to your sides baseless, horribly dishonest, liberal bloodlust aimed at a child.
your side humiliated themselves again, and they never deserved it more than with what they tried to do to this kid. they will pay. they’ll pay in civil court, and they’ll pay at the polls. you showed america what you’re capable of. let’s see how america responds. recent polling seems to be consistently saying that america doesn’t like whet it’s seeing.
a guy who you aren’t threatening in
any way, points a gun at your face from 5 feet away, and that’s not self defense? we have to have that conversation? seriously?
a guy who says “i’m going to kill you” and tries to wrestle your gun away from you, and you’ve done absolutely nothing to that guy, and that’s not a threat wayne?
what bothers me is the guy with the skateboard. he may have actually thought he was trying to subdue a murderer. his motives may have been decent. but when you look at it from rittenhouses perspective, it’s still clearly self defense.
that’s why riots are bad, and encouraging rioters for political gain, is also dangerous.
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Keep convincing yourself their not celebrating
Gym Jordon I think it's a win for our country. Really
Rep. Madison Cawthorn of North Carolina told supporters in a video that “you have a right to defend yourself” and advised them to “be armed, be dangerous and be moral.”
Rittenhouse an instant conservative celebrity. His mother received a standing ovation at a Republican Party dinner last year in Waukesha County, Wisconsin, a month after the shooting.
His own attorney has criticised Republican lawmakers he has accused of trying to capitalise on his client and has called their behaviour “disgusting”.
But you don’t see celebrating you call in defending ya ok
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11-22-2021, 11:09 AM
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Rep. Madison Cawthorn of North Carolina told supporters in a video that “you have a right to defend yourself”
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this is disgusting....what is wrong with him??!!
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this is disgusting....what is wrong with him??!!
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doesn’t Cawthorn know that conservatives (and cops too) are just supposed to stand there and let others kill us?
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I’m not a fan of Congresswoman Ilhan Omar but can you imagine what would be the reaction on Fox News if she told her supporters “be armed, be dangerous” as GOP Congressman Madison Cawthorn did?
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11-22-2021, 02:47 PM
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I’m not a fan of Congresswoman Ilhan Omar but can you imagine what would be the reaction on Fox News if she told her supporters “be armed, be dangerous” as GOP Congressman Madison Cawthorn did?
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"Kyle Rittenhouse is not guilty, my friends. You have a right to defend yourself," Cawthorn said in a video posted Friday to his Instagram stories. "Be armed, be dangerous, be moral."
this is probably good advise when dealing with unruly rioters with violent criminal histories who are attacking you.....
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11-22-2021, 03:12 PM
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"Kyle Rittenhouse is not guilty, my friends. You have a right to defend yourself," Cawthorn said in a video posted Friday to his Instagram stories. "Be armed, be dangerous, be moral."
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Oh, Pete edited that, to leave out the imperative to "be moral"? Gee, I wonder why Pete edited it that way.
There's liberalism. Right. There.
Pete, I'd just LOVE IT if you'd explain why you left out the part where Hawthorn said to also be moral?
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