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[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by detbuch

No doubt mistakes will be made. And corrected. And it is not only unconstitutional to give plenary power to these agencies, it is fascistic.

I wondered when someone not lockstepp with the resistance would voice some reason and a lot more patience with foolishness. Then again I was on the hockey team and skipped the debate club.

[piemma]

Good to see you back.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

No doubt mistakes will be made. And corrected. And it is not only unconstitutional to give plenary power to these agencies, it is fascistic.

Ok Elon, maybe you can make another fake twitter poll so the hackers and bots and will proclaim their verdict.

250 years of unconstitutional actions have led to a situation so dire that it can only rightly be corrected through radical, mostly illegal and insanely irresponsible unconstitutional action. WTF?

For a time I actually thought Reagan Republicans would make a come back. Remember the shining city on a hill inclusive of everyone to be lifted up? Hell, old Ronny was the first DEI president!

“Accidentally” firing the people who keep our nuclear arsenal safe isn’t an “oops” it’s just another example of how they couldn’t give a crap about average Americans. Just like cutting the CDC while we’re on the brink of another outbreak or illegally eliminating USAid which keeps our troops out of harms way is equally illegal and dumb.

But no, let’s weaken our alliances, withdraw our influence and coddle authoritarians and dictators. While we’re at it flaunt the rule of law, suppress the media and eliminate government oversight.

This is all very “Constitutional” and by your reading just what the Founding Fathers envisioned, except it’s what they hoped would never come to be.

Give me a break.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Actually, dismantling or defanging various oppressive and unconstitutional government bureaucracies is the opposite of fascism.

Too bad that is your opinion which isn’t based on facts or laws but rather a feeling …


Also DOGE aims to target staffers who are not in DEI roles and employees who work in offices established by law to ensure equal rights, internal DOGE documents show.

Those pesky laws

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Too bad that is your opinion which isn’t based on facts or laws but rather a feeling …

It is based on the Constitution which does not give Congress the power to delegate its powers and responsibilities. It can establish agencies to investigate, advise, and recommend. But it cannot delegate its power to them to legislate or regulate.

Also DOGE aims to target staffers who are not in DEI roles and employees who work in offices established by law to ensure equal rights, internal DOGE documents show.

Those pesky laws

Pesky laws that delegate the congressional power of creating law to unelected agencies other than Congress itself, are constitutionally illegitimate.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Pesky laws that delegate the congressional power of creating law to unelected agencies other than Congress itself, are constitutionally illegitimate.

Again your argument isn’t based on on facts or current laws

It’s emotional..

[wdmso]

Trump officials fired nuclear staff not realizing they oversee the country’s weapons stockpile, sources say

Trump administration officials fired more than 300 staffers Thursday night at the National Nuclear Security Administration — the agency tasked with managing the nation’s nuclear stockpile — as part of broader Energy Department layoffs, according to four people with knowledge of the matter.

Sources told CNN the officials did not seem to know this agency oversees America’s nuclear weapons.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/14/clima...ump/index.html

But keep cheerleading this madness as legitimate

[Pete F.]

So the convicted Felon posted today on the social media site he owns

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.
2.03k ReTruths 8.03k Likes
2/15/25, 11:53

I would expect that he who posts this should expect it to show up in briefs challenging what he does.

We are at the point where we find out shortly if The United States are governed by the rule of law or Musk and Trump.
I’ll leave the question of who holds presidential power, the man who ran or the man who bought it to history.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So the convicted Felon posted today on the social media site he owns

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump
He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.
2.03k ReTruths 8.03k Likes
2/15/25, 11:53

I would expect that he who posts this should expect it to show up in briefs challenging what he does.

We are at the point where we find out shortly if The United States are governed by the rule of law or Musk and Trump.
I’ll leave the question of who holds presidential power, the man who ran or the man who bought it to history.
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So using his logic. An assassin. Could not be charged …. For saving the nation. From him. Ya ok

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So using his logic. An assassin. Could not be charged …. For saving the nation. From him. Ya ok

That could happen with the rule of FFOTUS
I think we should stick with rule of law
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[Pete F.]

The wealthiest vandal in the world is hard at work

What happened is NNSA OST Nuclear Materials Courier team was terminated while transporting a physics package. They are stranded with it and no one to call so they are trying to make the best of it by improvising a secure location and standing watch.
This is all 100% the work of Musk he is wrecking the US with no one watching over his shoulder.
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[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The wealthiest vandal in the world is hard at work

What happened is NNSA OST Nuclear Materials Courier team was terminated while transporting a physics package. They are stranded with it and no one to call so they are trying to make the best of it by improvising a secure location and standing watch.
This is all 100% the work of Musk he is wrecking the US with no one watching over his shoulder.
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So what.....I know its a long drive for you....but others cant use that excuse.

[Pete F.]

Imagine if Barack Obama or Joe Biden said they were above the law.

Imagine if Obama or Biden were pocketing tens of millions of dollars while they were in office.

Imagine if Obama or Biden pardoned people who violently attacked the Capitol to prevent a Republican from taking office.
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[Pete F.]

Napoleon-"He who saves his country, violates no law."
- Hitler– “The good of the state stands above the law.”
- Mussolini– “Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”
- Francisco Franco– “I am responsible only to God and to history.”

History buffs will know that every authoritarian leader eventually converges on some version of: "I *am* the state. I can not break the law, I am the law, the law is instantiated in me."

Our march to authoritarianism so far has been excruciatingly by-the-book. Hitting every beat. No surprises.

He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.
Donald Trump convicted Felon
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[Pete F.]

Meanwhile in Russia: Sergey Mikheyev says that in light of the Trump administration's express intent to abandon NATO allies in case they intervene in Ukraine, Russia should strike Brussels, London and Paris. Vladimir Solovyov wholeheartedly agrees.
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[Pete F.]

As Vance 'lectures' Europe on free speech, it is good to be reminded that the United States ranks 55 (!) on the World Press Freedom Index.

The top 10 countries are ALL in Europe.
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[Got Stripers]

So we went from hate and insults spewing from Marsh, to a midwest troll who apparently missed using is colored words of wisdom and propensity to put us to sleep with his rambling posts.

[wdmso]

Scholz blasts Vance’s support for Germany’s far right
Some see the Trump administration actively promoting political extremism in the West.

Scholz the actual elected leader of Germany. And Vance the VP Alf the United State did try to meet with him…

[Pete F.]

The biggest cage match ever will be between Musk and Trump. Elon will try to implement AI in a manner that automates much of what Trump is now trying to control.

Trump will have no understanding of what is going on and will have to turn to the AI oligarchs to support him in this battle.
I don’t think people realize how consequential globally this will be.

The future ain’t what it used to be
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[wdmso]

those planned talks between Russia and the US, which are expected to take place in Saudi Arabia in the coming days.

A senior government source has told BBC News that Ukraine has not been invited and is not sending a team to those talks.


maybe things will change.

[spence]

Originally Posted by wdmso

those planned talks between Russia and the US, which are expected to take place in Saudi Arabia in the coming days.

A senior government source has told BBC News that Ukraine has not been invited and is not sending a team to those talks.


maybe things will change.

Trump said he trusts Putin on this issue. He must really want that Moscow hotel.

[Pete F.]

The European countries including Britain are in the midst of moving to wartime economies.
They realize that Trump is not trustworthy and that Putin will not stop.
They have a larger economy than Russia and currently better equipment.
I think they would be foolish to wait.
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[Pete F.]

Trump negotiated an end to the conflict directly with the Taliban, without the US-backed government at the table.

The Taliban have since overrun Afghanistan.

Trump wants to negotiate an end to the conflict directly with Putin, without Ukraine at the table.

What do you think happens next?

Zelenskyy: "I will never accept any decisions between the United States and Russia about Ukraine. Never."
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[Pete F.]

Trump admin is pushing IRS to agree to an MOU that would give DOGE access to granular data on every taxpayer, business and nonprofit in the country.

Supposedly Musk and his dip#^&#^&#^&#^&s want "a heavily-guarded Internal Revenue Service system that includes detailed financial information about every taxpayer, business and nonprofit in the country." More data access than is granted to the IRS *commissioner.*

This would allow a billionaire and his minions posing as unelected bureaucrats to selectively cherrypick attacks on their political opponents using their most sensitive information.

This is a crime, the people attempting it are part of a criminal gang and should be treated accordingly.

In a Congressional oversight hearing on the IRS, a tax law expert testified that unauthorized access or sharing of taxpayers' personal data would be a crime, punishable by fine or up to five years in prison.


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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump admin is pushing IRS to agree to an MOU that would give DOGE access to granular data on every taxpayer, business and nonprofit in the country.
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Yep yet Trump won’t show Americans his tax returns or tax information..
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[Pete F.]

When Trump took office, the National Labor Relations Board had 24 investigations into Musk's corporations for violating workers' rights. But presto... Trump fired three officials at that agency, effectively stalling the board's ability to rule on cases. See how this works?
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[Pete F.]

Over the last 24 hours, anti-Musk Tesla protests have been covered in the BBC, The Guardian, Fast Company, The Financial Times, and a whole slew of other media outlets around the world.

Word is clearly getting out.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

250 years of unconstitutional actions have led to a situation so dire that it can only rightly be corrected through radical, mostly illegal and insanely irresponsible unconstitutional action. WTF?

The unconstitutional federal regulatory agencies with plenary power didn't become an issue until the FDR Administration, so it has been more like 100 years, not 250.

Our past eight years of prosecuting and impeaching Trump, and investigating him for conspiring with an enemy should assure us that he will not be allowed to escape any "mostly illegal" activities. So rest easy on that.

For a time I actually thought Reagan Republicans would make a come back. Remember the shining city on a hill inclusive of everyone to be lifted up? Hell, old Ronny was the first DEI president!

Everyone is still included in the opportunity to lift themselves up. But even Reagan didn't believe that they should be lifted up simply by government decrees and mandates, but by true merit and self discipline.

“Accidentally” firing the people who keep our nuclear arsenal safe isn’t an “oops”

Why not?

it’s just another example of how they couldn’t give a crap about average Americans.

What does it have to do with "Average" Americans?

Just like cutting the CDC while we’re on the brink of another outbreak

I'm sure RFK jr will do a good job on all that.
Hope he fixes the incompetence that org. displayed during the Covid crisis.

or illegally eliminating USAid which keeps our troops out of harms way is equally illegal and dumb.

So we didn't keep our troops out of harms way before USAid existed? Why would we depend on USAid to keep our troops out of harms way? How about the Defense Department or State Department or the Pentagon doing their jobs re that. Or how about not putting the troops in harms way unless they have the sufficient ordnance, backup and communication capabilities to handle it.
Why depend on an unconstitutional agency that does all manner of other things, including:

Here are only a few examples of the WASTE and ABUSE of USAid:

$1.5 million to “advance diversity equity and inclusion in Serbia’s workplaces and business communities”
$70,000 for production of a “DEI musical” in Ireland
$2.5 million for electric vehicles for Vietnam
$47,000 for a “transgender opera” in Colombia
$32,000 for a “transgender comic book” in Peru
$2 million for sex changes and “LGBT activism” in Guatemala
$6 million to fund tourism in Egypt
Hundreds of thousands of dollars for a non-profit linked to designated terrorist organizations — even AFTER an inspector general launched an investigation
Millions to EcoHealth Alliance — which was involved in research at the Wuhan lab
“Hundreds of thousands of meals that went to al Qaeda-affiliated fighters in Syria”
Funding to print “personalized” contraceptives birth control devices in developing countries
Hundreds of millions of dollars to fund “irrigation canals, farming equipment, and even fertilizer used to support the unprecedented poppy cultivation and heroin production in Afghanistan,” benefiting the Taliban
The list literally goes on and on — and it has all been happening for decades.


But no, let’s weaken our alliances, withdraw our influence and coddle authoritarians and dictators.

Trump's rhetoric and actions (influence) have caused our alliances to strengthen themselves militarily (or realize that they
have to do so) which actually overall will strengthen the total alliance. And which does not coddle any enemies. In the meantime, diplomatic relations with adversaries, backed by a stronger EU, is wisdom, not coddling. I would love to see a greater western economic pact which included Russia in its sphere of alliances.

While we’re at it flaunt the rule of law, suppress the media and eliminate government oversight.

See above for the flaunting rule of law nonsense.

The media doesn't seem to be "suppressed" except by its own realization that it has lost customers due to its own overly slanted "news" and opinion re Trump the past eight years. And that it needs to make some changes in order to continue existing.

This is all very “Constitutional” and by your reading just what the Founding Fathers envisioned, except it’s what they hoped would never come to be.

It is very Constitutional to change the nature of or eliminate federal regulatory agencies. If they must exist, they should be advisory, investigative, or procedural in nature, and should not have power to legislate in any way, and certainly should not have any judiciary power in matters of disputes with the public.

And yes, the Founding Fathers did hope such administrative agencies with plenary power that we now have "would never come to be."
As they noted in their Declaration of Independence regarding the Central power of the King whom they fervently were revolting against:
"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance."

They would have seen this centralized administrative state with its multitude of new agencies and their swarms of officers to be the kind of tyranny they would fight to be free from.

Give me a break.

I'm sure you don't need my permission to take a break. But go ahead.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I'm sure you don't need my permission to take a break. But go ahead.

Waste of time debating with TDS patients.
But go ahead and entertain them.......they are desperate and need to vent their frustration over the crushing loss they have suffered.
Grieving lost souls. Thats why this thread was started.....for them.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I'm sure you don't need my permission to take a break. But go ahead.

Oh look, he can cut and paste misinformation. Most of those examples of “rampant waste” are either wrong or or simply policy decisions spun out of context. Nothing bad about investing to cultivate stability and western values. It makes the world safer and ensures American leadership.

Edit…it “did.”

If you really want to eliminate waste start with the hundreds of billions spent to service the debt on tax cuts for the top 1%.