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Old 02-06-2016, 10:07 PM   #1
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Gaining traction?

For reference, the NH Republican debate is on as I type;

Kasich and Bush seem to be garnering some traction. Christie as well to a lesser extent. And the last shall be first?????
Trump invoked visions of Reagan and Tip ONeill as how he would be making deals..... Who in their right mind is going to get in a room with him to be lambasted and insulted simply for having a different opinion? He has some nationalist views that are capturing many, but is still a wildcard IMO. His over the top style reminds me of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, former President of Iran.
Cruz and Rubio have been rattled and are fighting to regain momentum.
I am surprised when Carson gets a question as I forget he is even there.
Seems to be governors night....I have been waiting for Jeb to show up.

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Old 02-06-2016, 10:31 PM   #2
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I think a little lambasting is what is needed. I feel Obama took every opportunity to bash the Republicans unnecessarily. He seems to forget that he is the president of all Americans including the Republicans.
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Old 02-07-2016, 05:36 AM   #3
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Kasich is the only republican on stage I would consider voting for.. if the election was today

all the others to include Sanders seem to forget they need to do it Via Congress ... it all sound's good in the primarys . Their wish lists

I think once its a 2 person race .. what they are saying now will be far different then
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Old 02-07-2016, 06:51 AM   #4
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from the Kasich website

A STRATEGY FOR DISMANTLING WASHINGTON (I like this guy already)

By making government smaller, less costly and more responsive to our needs we can get our economy going again and have the resources to secure our nation, strengthen our families and communities, and reach our God-given potential.

Education is a state and local issue and should not be micro-managed by the federal government.

As Governor of Ohio, he has enacted more measures to protect unborn children than any other governor in the history of the state, including bans on late-term abortions and bans on elective abortions in public hospitals. Standing Up for Life in the Face of Opposition: Because of his consistent adherence to his pro-life beliefs, John Kasich is a frequent target of abortionist groups such as Planned Parenthood and NARAL.

Removing Burdensome Restrictions for Law-Abiding Concealed Carry Licensees: Opposing Barack Obama’s Gun Control Efforts:

Obamacare is the Wrong Diagnosis and Must Be Repealed and Replaced:

The Largest Tax Cut in the Nation:

Eliminating Wasteful Red Tape: Recognizing that unnecessary regulation stifles job creators and discourages investment

he's also been artful regarding the marriage thing


I don't see where Kasich differs from most of the other republican candidates policy wise....

I think if you take a look... I think Cruz, Carson, Rubio, bush, Fiorino, Christie all have pretty solid understanding and regard for the important role of Congress in the Federal government and Constitutional framework, not so sure about Trump....or Obama for that matter or the rest of the dems

are you saying "Kasich is the only republican on stage I would consider voting for.. if the election was today AND ONLY REPUBLICANS WERE ON THE BALLOT" ?

if it's any of those republicans vs. Hillary who would you vote for? because if it's Hillary(pretty stark contrast to Kasich), the rest doesn't matter

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Old 02-07-2016, 10:26 AM   #5
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Jeb should not B throwing stones when living in a glass house....he reminds me of the person on here that lives in a glass town or city.

Any way Jeb jumped on Trump for eminent domain taking....well the Bush family used eminent domain and used the power of government to take land from other private citizens so it could be used for their own private purposes building a baseball stadium in Austin Texas at the tax payers expense....jr. was governor at the time...if trump had known that then he would have jumped all over bush....

John Kasich has the most experience out of all of them spending about 18 years in congress and was not voted out, he left....what scares me about him he likes to cut into medicare and military spending and supported a bill to band assault weapons under bill clinton....

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Old 02-07-2016, 12:18 PM   #6
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You do realize without eminent domain we wouldn't have streets or highways or natural gas pipelines and even electricity. He offered her a million to sell and she refused. He then sought to use eminent domain but lost in court. I see his actions as a person who finds ways to get things done. The people get compensated for their property if it is taken by eminent domain so it isn't as though their property got stolen. Check out Vera Coking home and Bob Guccione and see what was there before Trump.
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Old 02-08-2016, 10:25 AM   #7
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A STRATEGY FOR DISMANTLING WASHINGTON (I like this guy already)

I like what Kasich did in Ohio. i don't like the way, in debates, he interrupts people and bashes all of them. He might be agreat VP pick, he might be abke to deliver Ohio, which they absolutely cannoy win without, no chance.
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Old 02-08-2016, 07:41 PM   #8
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Kasich is the only republican on stage I would consider voting for.. if the election was today

all the others to include Sanders seem to forget they need to do it Via Congress ... it all sound's good in the primarys . Their wish lists

I think once its a 2 person race .. what they are saying now will be far different then
Kasich is the more interesting to me. I am not as worried as much about his interupting but he does seem to have a hey, look at me complex. I cannot vote for Clinton. And I refuse to vote for Sanders. I have no desire to vote for Bush or Trump.

Sadly there is no moderate Dem in the race.

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Bring Sandars to Europe and he is a moderate. Bring Hillary over there and she is a republican
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Why? Because Europe is 20-30 years further down the political de-evolution wormhole?

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Old 02-09-2016, 07:52 AM   #11
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Bring her over to China and she would be cranking out Nike sneakers at break neck speed.....
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Why? Because Europe is 20-30 years further down the political de-evolution wormhole?
Are you kidding? Their healthcare rocks. Education is great. Pay rates are better. Look at the standard of living charts for Sweden / Norway and then scroll down a long long ways down to find Murika where we have more children living in poverty than some 3rd world countries.
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Are you kidding? Their healthcare rocks. Education is great. Pay rates are better. Look at the standard of living charts for Sweden / Norway and then scroll down a long long ways down to find Murika where we have more children living in poverty than some 3rd world countries.
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I love it when liberals point to Norway and Sweden as examples of "how socialism works".

Neither one of those countries has huge numbers of African Americans. Neither one of those countries has a huge, open border with Mexico. Nebe, those countries are very, very white. And they are pretty strict on immigration, especially Norway. And in the case of Norway, everyone has an oil well in their backyard.

So Norway is 99.99% white, everyone has an oil well, and they don't let anyone else in (these are slight exaggerations, but you get the point). And you think that because their system works in Norway, that means it would work equally well here?

Let's move the city of Chicago right into the center of Norway, then let's move Mexico to the southern border of Norway, and open that border. Then let's see what Norway looks like in 25 years.

Apples and oranges, Nebe. Apples and oranges.

We are a huge, open, diverse country. They are tiny, and ethnically homogenous. You want to have Norway's standard of living? Let's kick everyone out of America who isn't white, and put an oil well in everyone's backyard, and then seal our borders tight. Until you do that, you can't compare to Norway.

Here in America, we don't have a lot of poverty among our scandanavian immigrants, they do just fine. Our problems lie elsewhere, and those problems are unique to America, therefore they require a unique solution.
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Let's kick everyone out of America who isn't white, and put an oil well in everyone's backyard, and then seal our borders tight.
So... you support Trump then

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So... you support Trump then
Nope, I think he's a vulgar buffoon.

I guess I didn't articulate that well. I am not endorsing those radical ideas. I am saying that you cannot look at a tiny, lilly white Scandanavian country with closed borders and abundant oil, and suggest that if socialism works there, it can therefore work here.

Our culture is just a wee bit different than Norway's culture, you see.

If you put a small number of ethnically homogeneous people on an island, seal it off, and then struck oil or gold on that island, it's not hard to have a high standard of living on that island. That doesn't mean that model works in America.

Imagine if the American liberals ran Norway. They'd open the borders in the name of inclusion, they'd destroy the oil wells in the name of climate change, and Norway would look like Somalia in a month.

Norway is a snow-white country whose entire economy depends on oil, and they allow almost no immigration. Yet liberals like to point to it a sa nation we should emulate. It's kind of funny when you think of it that way.
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Nope, I think he's a vulgar buffoon
Watch the recent video of Trump calling Cruz a pu$$y. People want this man to be President...
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I find Hillary more offensive.
And more of a threat to our nation.
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Watch the recent video of Trump calling Cruz a pu$$y. People want this man to be President...
It's embarassing.

On your side, the heavy favorite denied that her husband cheated on her, but rather, was being framed by the GOP. She also claims to have come under sniper attack when no such thing happened.

Trump would appear to be a jerk. Hilary would appear to be either a serial liar, or a lunatic, take your pick.

Which is worse?
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And yet Polifact rates EVERY Repub. more dishonest than EVERY Dem. running for Pre.
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Nope, I think he's a vulgar buffoon.

I guess I didn't articulate that well. I am not endorsing those radical ideas. I am saying that you cannot look at a tiny, lilly white Scandanavian country with closed borders and abundant oil, and suggest that if socialism works there, it can therefore work here.

Our culture is just a wee bit different than Norway's culture, you see.

If you put a small number of ethnically homogeneous people on an island, seal it off, and then struck oil or gold on that island, it's not hard to have a high standard of living on that island. That doesn't mean that model works in America.

Imagine if the American liberals ran Norway. They'd open the borders in the name of inclusion, they'd destroy the oil wells in the name of climate change, and Norway would look like Somalia in a month.

Norway is a snow-white country whose entire economy depends on oil, and they allow almost no immigration. Yet liberals like to point to it a sa nation we should emulate. It's kind of funny when you think of it that way.
Jeezuz Jim... I put 50 smileys to show I was joking.

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They are very different, but I agree with you.

Trump is a textbook cocky narcissist who thinks his money allows him to do whatever he wants.

Hilary, at her core, is an abmitious politician, who will say and do anything, absolutely anytihng, to appease whatever voting block she happens to be whoring herself out to that day. For example, she was adamant that Iraq had WMDs, and was a huge supporter of the invasion. Until polling showed that the war was a political liabliity, then she couldn't distance herself fast enough.

I do wonder, Dangles, if she gets elected, would she govern as a moderate (like her husband was, in my opinion), or would she just take the baton from Obama and run with it?
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Jeezuz Jim... I put 50 smileys to show I was joking.
Well, actuaries are not exactly known for their sense of humor! And as a fairly consistent conservative, I wouldn't blame anyone for assuming I like Trump. I probably agree with him on more issues than I agree with Hilary, but he's too vulgar and bombastic for my taste.

Sorry.
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Agree, she is just not trust worthy, old school politician,
busted valiese , same old same old.

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I do wonder, Dangles, if she gets elected, would she govern as a moderate (like her husband was, in my opinion), or would she just take the baton from Obama and run with it?
Jim, she has already said several times she would follow in Obama's footsteps, but
then again it all depends on what audience she is speaking too.

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She will govern if elected in what ever way pushes the most money into the Clinton foundation and into speaking fees for Bill. Simple.
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Ding ding ding...we have a winner!
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As big of a scumbag as Bill was personally, I thought he was a decent President. For darn sure, he recognized the fact that it was his job to serve all of us, not just the Democrats. He knew how to lead wihtout always dividing us. Obama could learn a lesson there.
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Are you kidding? Their healthcare rocks. Education is great. Pay rates are better. Look at the standard of living charts for Sweden / Norway and then scroll down a long long ways down to find Murika where we have more children living in poverty than some 3rd world countries.
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You can't imagine what the influx of Syrian refugees has done to Sweden. A real shame for a a culture that is used to things going smoothly.
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That is absolutely what she is saying, you are 100% correct. I just wonder if she is sincere about that, or if she is just saying that, because she knows that's what she needs to say, to get the nomination of her party.

What she is saying, is way to the left of where her husband governed. Which I guess shows you how far that party has drifted to the left since 2000.
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