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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

It sounds like the amount of vandalism hasn't been that widespread. The local police were handling it but also infringing on the rights of the majority of peaceful protesters. Since the secret police have shown up it looks like it has gotten a lot worse.

This is mostly a PR stunt, potentially illegal and people are getting hurt because of it.

They are not secret - they have shoulder patches and police on them. We can have a well reasoned discussion on: whether or not we should send in federal law enforcement dressed in Army kit, protecting Federal property (that local elected officials are not), whether or not to HAVE police forces dressed up in combat kit, allowing protesting but not allowing riots / vandalism / destruction, and the wilful abdication of local elected officials that would not let local law enforcement handle it.

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I reached out via email to an old college girlfriend who lives in Portland. She always was crunchy granola type, but here is a condensed version of her response;

We are a feisty bunch- and rebellious and independent. And so we do not want the !@#$%^&*( Feds messing with our protests. Yes we are fine - we are all at home! Although my daughter and I are going to go join the wall of moms that are lining up to protect the protestors. There are the protestors (good) and the rioters (bad)- but the Feds being here is very bad news PDX will not back down. Our city is a mess though- all boarded up and graffiti everywhere....tough times


This is from a well educated 60 year old Oregon native woman, with adult kids, who has lived abroad in Asia as her husband's job in finance took them to many financial capitals and last I knew, he was with the Federal Reserve... Not what I expected, but that is my ground zero report.... My response simply pointed out their plan of action had some glaring holes in it.... like bring a water bottle to a gunfight.

On a different note, my new 2A4life shoulder holster has shipped!

I watched videos last night of these punks trying to light Federal Courthouse on fire.

Originally Posted by wdmso

Aug. 6, 2018: 74 people shot, 12 fatally, in Chicago over the weekend

I2018. In total, the year saw an estimated 2,391 shootings with 2,948 shooting victims, police said. In 2017, there were 2,777 shootings and in 2016 there were 3,550.


Funny Trump didn't send any one in any of these years so yea faux concerns...


Can you say election

He threatened to send in Federal Law enforcement.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Ask yourself, just what crime did this man commit?

Everything he did was within his First Amendment rights and he was assaulted by the Graffiti Gestapo.

He was told to leave several times, went up to the police to discuss what they were doing, was told to leave, and they (somewhat stupidly) thwacked him a few times. He wanted to see these "most are vets, but by their predominate sleeve tats, most were enlisted f vcks" . A true champion of class politics.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

He was told to leave several times, went up to the police to discuss what they were doing, was told to leave, and they (somewhat stupidly) thwacked him a few times. He wanted to see these "most are vets, but by their predominate sleeve tats, most were enlisted f vcks" . A true champion of class politics.

He was standing on the street, he was not threatening anyone and he was assaulted by the goons in uniform without cause. They look and act more like Blackwater thugs to my eye, certainly not professionals trained in crowd control.

Since you are making the claim that he is politically incorrect and should be canceled, do you have a source for what looks like a quote of Christopher David?
In the interviews I have seen that statement does not match his speech or demeanor.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He was standing on the street, he was not threatening anyone and he was assaulted by the goons in uniform without cause.

this is incredibly stupid....there was a riot going on..if you decide to approach police to have a "discussion" during a riot and they tell you to beat it and you don't ...you are an idiot and probably should get a beating

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is incredibly stupid....there was a riot going on..if you decide to approach police to have a "discussion" during a riot and they tell you to beat it and you don't ...you are an idiot and probably should get a beating

Interesting view on the rule of law and the application of it.



What other things are the police allowed to beat people for and where in the Criminal Code is it specified?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Interesting view on the rule of law and the application of it.

What other things are the police allowed to beat people for and where in the Criminal Code is it specified?

I could care less what happens to those causing and participating in the mayhem...I care about the law abiding citizens, business and property owners that are having their lives disrupted and upended by these lunatics... there is no reasoning with the mob, these are not law abiding citizens these are criminal running wild in the streets, if they are going to continue to instigate, provoke and destroy they've earned whatever beatings they get....in your video of the guy getting whacked....he shouldn't be there....he is an idiot....when idiots do stupid things...I can't get to worked up when things go bad for them...if you want the guy that whacked him disciplined for being too aggressive with the baton...Ok fine...but in that situation...I can't get too upset when they are taking incoming of Molotov cocktails(clearly visible in the video) and who knows what else...the video claims that these are "protesters marching against police brutality and racism"....not they aren't...they are criminals causing destruction....and I'm a little tired of their act...you can continue to defend the criminals and their lawlessness and act as though they have "rights" as they trample the rights of others

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

I could care less what happens to those causing and participating in the mayhem...I care about the law abiding citizens, business and property owners that are having their lives disrupted and upended by these lunatics... there is no reasoning with the mob, these are not law abiding citizens these are criminal running wild in the streets, if they are going to continue to instigate, provoke and destroy they've earned whatever beatings they get....in your video of the guy getting whacked....he shouldn't be there....he is an idiot....when idiots do stupid things...I can't get to worked up when things go bad for them...if you want the guy that whacked him disciplined for being too aggressive with the baton...Ok fine...but in that situation...I can't get too upset when they are taking incoming of Molotov cocktails(clearly visible in the video) and who knows what else...the video claims that these are "protesters marching against police brutality and racism"....not they aren't...they are criminals causing destruction....and I'm a little tired of their act...you can continue to defend the criminals and their lawlessness and act as though they have "rights" as they trample the rights of others

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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

I ...you can continue to defend the criminals and their lawlessness and act as though they have "rights" as they trample the rights of others

Yes doing just that makes this country not china not russia and a host of other nations.
, no one is defending their lawlessness , were against law enforcement and this administration justifying law enforcement ,,action of , snatching people off the street wisking them to unknown locations and yet pressing no charges


But your acceptance of these action goes to the root cause of BLM and the out cry against police brutality, you enable police to step outside the law to exact retribution ...rather than demanding they operate with in the law

You clear have ingnored Trumps rhetoric on the topic ,,, or the absent of their presence in years past in some of these same areas or Trumps pattern of trying to please his base.like sending Troops to stop those horrible Mexicans caravan prior to the mid term elections,,

Also the right after every mass shooting the right continue to defend the criminals and their lawlessness and act as though they have "rights" as they trample the rights of others.... and complain about gun control and those who's rights were taken aka killed get T&P.

ALSO. Were are all these tough guy sheriffs who go on Fox proclaiming they wont do this or wont do that because it unconstitutional. It wont help them in a reelection iam guessing?

Look at what happen to liz Cheney attacked for not be loyal enough to the dear leader. Wake up your supporting a character not a POTUS who thinks he has absolute power.. and his base thinks so as well

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

no one is defending their lawlessness l

defending, enabling, encouraging and cheering

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

They are not secret - they have shoulder patches and police on them. We can have a well reasoned discussion on: whether or not we should send in federal law enforcement dressed in Army kit, protecting Federal property (that local elected officials are not), whether or not to HAVE police forces dressed up in combat kit, allowing protesting but not allowing riots / vandalism / destruction, and the wilful abdication of local elected officials that would not let local law enforcement handle it.

They are not the police nor do they have a badge or unique identification. Worse their presence has made tensions explode, oh and it's illegal.

Local PD was only told not to use tear gas on peaceful protests and this was by a judge not the mayor or governor.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

They are not the police nor do they have a badge or unique identification. Worse their presence has made tensions explode, oh and it's illegal.

Local PD was only told not to use tear gas on peaceful protests and this was by a judge not the mayor or governor.

tear gas works...I like water cannons too