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Skip N · 11-09-2006, 12:54 PM

It's always frightening to see the enemys of the United states, such as Iran, celebrating the new Democratic congress.

Now this disturbs me....

Flaptail · 11-09-2006, 01:19 PM

Gentleman, let's get back on topic here. How would you propose, if it were you in thedrivers seat, we settle the mess in Iraq. What in your opinion is the clearest track to the resolution of this conflict?

spence · 11-09-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail

Gentleman, let's get back on topic here. How would you propose, if it were you in thedrivers seat, we settle the mess in Iraq. What in your opinion is the clearest track to the resolution of this conflict?

After reading the most excellent book "The End of Iraq" by Peter Galbraith I'm leaning towards the Joe Biden plan for a more loose federation based along ethnic lines that uses a central government to manage oil revenues.

The only solution to these problems will be serious bi-partisan pragmatic thinking...and dumping Rummy was a positive first step.

-spence

stripersnipr · 11-09-2006, 01:30 PM

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After reading the most excellent book "The End of Iraq" by Peter Galbraith I'm leaning towards the Joe Biden plan for a more loose federation based along ethnic lines that uses a central government to manage oil revenues.

The only solution to these problems will be serious bi-partisan pragmatic thinking...and dumping Rummy was a positive first step.

-spence

Thats an option and decision the Iraqi Government is entitled to.

spence · 11-09-2006, 01:34 PM

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Thats an option and decision the Iraqi Government is entitled to.

Not without our permission. Granted things are better than under Supreme Iraqi Commander Paul Bremmer, but they ain't doing anything radical without our ok. It may be an unwritten rule but it's still working that way.

-spence

Skitterpop · 11-09-2006, 01:43 PM

Ok..... since a very large number of combatants, Iraqi and foreign to Iraq, do not want us there at all I don`t see how its possible.

Saddam was The Don of a criminal empire which controlled a largely volatile nation by extreme brute force and control.... FEAR.

We are the enemy to many who live there. From Shock and Awe to all the ongoing policing and attempted inforcements and brutalities of war we are not the saviour country bringing peace and Democracy. We are the enemy.

We leave and the competing factions will only further devastate Iraq and each other in a quest for power and control.

Why are we there? I truly believe its about oil and establishing a base of operations for our military in an oil rich region. Said base would give us a foothold for future wars which seem impending.

I do not have an idea that I think is viable for a solution to staightening out this catastrophic mess.

It all appears to be a blackhole of sorts that destroys all who enter its field of influence.

On that cheery note..... I hope the fishing is better next year

stripersnipr · 11-09-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail

Gentleman, let's get back on topic here. How would you propose, if it were you in thedrivers seat, we settle the mess in Iraq. What in your opinion is the clearest track to the resolution of this conflict?

Intense focus on training and strengthening of Iraqs internal security forces. They and they alone can quell the internal violence inside their country.

spence · 11-09-2006, 01:30 PM

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Intense focus on training and strengthening of Iraqs internal security forces. They and they alone can quell the internal violence inside their country.

The problem isn't just training...there's a small issue with "motivation"

-spence

stripersnipr · 11-09-2006, 01:32 PM

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The problem isn't just training...there's a small issue with "motivation"

-spence

Motivation is definetely a component of the Training process. Any Marine will tell you.

spence · 11-09-2006, 01:35 PM

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Motivation is definetely a component of the Training process. Any Marine will tell you.

And without motivation the training is moot.

-spence

Mike P · 11-09-2006, 01:42 PM

Unfrortunately, there is no easy way out. We can't hand the Iraqi people a hot steaming plate of camel dung, that we dished up, and say "bon appetit" and "au revoir".

That's what Powell meant when he told the rest of the Administration, "you break it, you own it" before the war.

Maybe now everyone understands why Bush 41 never wanted to take Bahgdad or overthrow Saddam back in 1991

W should have listened more closely to Daddy's advice and not Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld.

stripersnipr · 11-09-2006, 01:45 PM

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And without motivation the training is moot.

-spence

Many a unmotivated youth has entered basic Training. Those that complete it are motivated.